Re: Subcribtion

Sorry, I mixed up my dev lists -- this isn't about Hive. See http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html for general information on how to unsubscribe from Apache mailing lists. -- Lefty On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Lefty Leverenz wrote: > If you're trying to subscribe to Hive's dev

Re: [reporter.apache.org] Using SVN to record current deployed code

To followup: I created the following under https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/reporter.apache.org trunk - all existing SVN files, i.e. moved them down one level tags/as-deployed-2015-07-07 - copy of the on disk static files branches/deployed - initially created as a copy of tags/as-deploye

RE: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

Huh? How am I able to represent your view as well as you can? If you want me to restate *my* view I can do that by quoting my own view I will quote my summary from earlier in this thread: "In the absence of [project] bye-laws the defaults apply. " -Original Message- From: Pierre Smits [

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

That's called 'difference of opinions'. Nobody is entitled to like others' viewpoints. In fact, there are certain viewpoints that hardly can cause anything but regurgitation in a sane human being. On the hand, no one can denied anyone a right to express their opinions. Cos On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at

Re: [reporter.apache.org] Using SVN to record current deployed code

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:21 PM, sebb wrote: > On 6 July 2015 at 19:16, Christopher wrote: >> I think the content on disk should reflect what's in SCM. > > Well yes, but that's not what I'm asking. > I want to get agreement on the proposed layout. > >> However, >> would it make sense to move to gi

Re: [reporter.apache.org] Using SVN to record current deployed code

On 6 July 2015 at 19:16, Christopher wrote: > I think the content on disk should reflect what's in SCM. Well yes, but that's not what I'm asking. I want to get agreement on the proposed layout. > However, > would it make sense to move to git instead of SVN instead of moving to > trunk subdir? O

Re: [reporter.apache.org] Using SVN to record current deployed code

Sounds good. Sent from my android device. -Original Message- From: sebb To: dev@community.apache.org Sent: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 2:11 PM Subject: [reporter.apache.org] Using SVN to record current deployed code The reporter.apache.org code on disk has diverged from the copy in SVN. There are

Re: [reporter.apache.org] Using SVN to record current deployed code

I think the content on disk should reflect what's in SCM. However, would it make sense to move to git instead of SVN instead of moving to trunk subdir? -- Christopher L Tubbs II http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:11 PM, sebb wrote: > The reporter.apache.org code on disk has d

[reporter.apache.org] Using SVN to record current deployed code

The reporter.apache.org code on disk has diverged from the copy in SVN. There are several files that are not in SVN, and there a several differences from the ones that are. One approach to this might be to copy the current sources into SVN into a new folder. Then we can look at merging the curren

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

I am confident, Ross, that you are equally capable of doing that. So why don't you give it a go? Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jul 6, 201

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

No worries, Konstantin. I won't hold that against you. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

Just to point to the source of my confusiony. My impression came from this part: > > > Like expressed earlier, that loosely way of interpreting ASF guidelines > > > has > > > led to the situation that the board charges newly established projects to > > > define its bylaws. Charges that are then d

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

So can you summarize what you are saying. Sent from Surface From: Pierre Smits Sent: ?Monday?, ?July? ?6?, ?2015 ?10?:?47? ?AM To: dev@community.apache.org Hi Konstantin, No, I am not saying that, neither explicitly nor effectively

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

Hi Konstantin, No, I am not saying that, neither explicitly nor effectively. Thus no, not a correct representation of the point of discussion. Maybe you got that impression (regarding blanket bylaws, or projects going off the handle) by reading the postings of others. Best regards, Pierre Op ma

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

Let me see if I read you right, Pierre. Effectively, you're saying that imposing a blanket bylaws system should help to prevent some rare cases of established projects going off the handle? Is this a correct representation of the point of this discussion? I am not as eloquent as you're in paintin

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

On 5 Jul 2015 00:34, "Pierre Smits" wrote: > >> Having such an official ASF policy without the executing office policing > >> it, without podlings being required to accept and instill it in their > >> bylaws before graduation and allowing existing projects not to > incorporate > >> it makes it no

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

https://plus.google.com/+GoogleArtProject On 6 Jul 2015 23:45, "Pierre Smits" wrote: > Actually, Martin, I read that too a while ago, and I can't regard it as > anything else but just a viewpoint expressed by someone who is reacting to > a posting of someone else > > Such an expression neithe

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

Actually, Martin, I read that too a while ago, and I can't regard it as anything else but just a viewpoint expressed by someone who is reacting to a posting of someone else Such an expression neither makes it a policy of the ASF, nor justifies why the board, when voting on a podling wishing gr

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

On 6 Jul 2015 20:26, "Benson Margulies" wrote: > > This thread started with a discussion of the CoC. The premise of the > thread was this: that counter-CoC behavior might emerge on a project, > and that the project might tolerate, or even celebrate, that behavior, > for lack of an explicit bylaw e

Re: LABS a top level project of the ASF? (Was: Re: Incubating, ....)

Nuff said, I would say. It's your dime. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 07/06/2015 08:

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > I find myself disgusted by this widespread assumption that each project > needs its own bylaws. WTF for? Are not ASF policies and practices enough > for everyone? What sort of bylaws could you possibly invent that are > both a useful extensio

Re: LABS a top level project of the ASF? (Was: Re: Incubating, ....)

On 07/06/2015 08:26 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: We can hardly say that Apache LABS is a top level project. Though shrouded with some aspects of a TLP cloak it can't be regarded as anything else than an ASF experiment to facilitate the privileged contributors of any given true project. At best one c

Re: LABS a top level project of the ASF? (Was: Re: Incubating, ....)

Or stopping it. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > @jani, > > Actually, I don't feel that need

Re: LABS a top level project of the ASF? (Was: Re: Incubating, ....)

@jani, Actually, I don't feel that need as (at least) Tim and you do. But I am sure that, you and your peers can find perfect validating reasons for having this service around (or considering it a TLP) when discussing such and more amongst yourselves. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM

Re: LABS a top level project of the ASF? (Was: Re: Incubating, ....)

On 6 July 2015 at 15:00, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Tim Williams wrote: > > ...I'd say this is the wrong place to have this particular discussion. > > The courteous thing to do is to have a project specific discussion on > > the project's specific list > > A

Re: LABS a top level project of the ASF? (Was: Re: Incubating, ....)

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Tim Williams wrote: > ...I'd say this is the wrong place to have this particular discussion. > The courteous thing to do is to have a project specific discussion on > the project's specific list Agreed, that's what I meant to say, comdev has no business discuss

Re: LABS a top level project of the ASF? (Was: Re: Incubating, ....)

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: >> ... I would say that given the multitude of external facilities available >> outside of the ASF (Sourceforge, Github, etc) that it has reached the end >> of its lifespan regarding

Re: LABS a top level project of the ASF? (Was: Re: Incubating, ....)

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > ... I would say that given the multitude of external facilities available > outside of the ASF (Sourceforge, Github, etc) that it has reached the end > of its lifespan regarding its goal... What does the labs PMC say about this? -Bertrand

LABS a top level project of the ASF? (Was: Re: Incubating, ....)

We can hardly say that Apache LABS is a top level project. Though shrouded with some aspects of a TLP cloak it can't be regarded as anything else than an ASF experiment to facilitate the privileged contributors of any given true project. At best one could regard it as a service by ComDev/Infra to t

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

This thread started with a discussion of the CoC. The premise of the thread was this: that counter-CoC behavior might emerge on a project, and that the project might tolerate, or even celebrate, that behavior, for lack of an explicit bylaw explicitly adopting the CoC. This premise is wrong. The Co

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

On Monday, July 6, 2015, sebb wrote: > On 6 July 2015 at 10:24, jan i > wrote: > > On 6 July 2015 at 11:10, Pierre Smits > wrote: > > > >> Thank you, Branko. I feel (somewhat) sorry for you, when I read your > >> statement of being disgusted by the viewpoint of others on the matter. I > >> hope

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

Or not! Some still believe that it is 'consensus' that is required for any procedural issues and think their -1 vote vetoes a change. That applies not only to on and off-boarding of new PMC Members and committers, but also to other policy changes. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

On 6 July 2015 at 10:24, jan i wrote: > On 6 July 2015 at 11:10, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> Thank you, Branko. I feel (somewhat) sorry for you, when I read your >> statement of being disgusted by the viewpoint of others on the matter. I >> hope you recover from it soon. >> > > Having been (and stil

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

And you can read 'determination' as well as 'perception'. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > L

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

Like expressed earlier, that loosely way of interpreting ASF guidelines has led to the situation that the board charges newly established projects to define its bylaws. Charges that are then disregarded by the project and not followed up on by the board and or the appointed VP of the project. It i

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > ...The latest posting by Jan proves the point of the necessity of good > per-project bylaws when it comes to deviating from the generic guidelines > of the ASF... But as others have said, the best is to stick to those guidelines and use the d

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

The latest posting by Jan proves the point of the necessity of good per-project bylaws when it comes to deviating from the generic guidelines of the ASF. Bylaws define the parameters of how processes are be executed within a project, when it comes to the procedural aspects. His example given, rega

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

On 6 July 2015 at 11:10, Pierre Smits wrote: > Thank you, Branko. I feel (somewhat) sorry for you, when I read your > statement of being disgusted by the viewpoint of others on the matter. I > hope you recover from it soon. > Having been (and still be) in a project that have strong bylaws, limit

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

Thank you, Branko. I feel (somewhat) sorry for you, when I read your statement of being disgusted by the viewpoint of others on the matter. I hope you recover from it soon. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Profe

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

I would say that the (hints of) examples presented, especially meaning deviation of the general 'guideline' of a simple majority vote for (procedural) aspects would be enough reason for any aspiring ASF project to do just to all to have a set of bylaws. Despite all the ASF pages to make its philos

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

On 04.07.2015 18:34, Pierre Smits wrote: > Having done a cursory review of the incubator reports to the board for > this year (January till May/June 2015), I found that only the SAMOA > podling reported working on a project set of bylaws, which without > knowing details could encompass and/or incor

Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

Hi, On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 6:30 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > if a project wants to deviate from the general rule of a simple > majority voting for specific aspects - think off changing the direction or > goal of the project, or e.g. every registered contributor (iCLA filed) has > a vote with re