Re: [maturity] QU40 - backwards compatibility, change or remove?

On 1/15/15 7:32 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > There were several comments about QU40 in the > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApacheProjectMaturityModel draft, > which currently reads > > QU40 > The project puts a high priority on backwards compatibility and aims > to document >

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

Hi, Some (very) minor things. CD10 - "distributed at no charge to the public." while this may be true at Apache it doesn't have to be the case. 3rd parties wanting to this model may find this a stumbling block. CD40 - Perhaps a footnote? for code donated to Apache the history before Apache ma

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

On 1/15/15 3:39 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: >> ...Missing Q or C thing: >> >> The project is not dead. Bugs do not sit forever with no response. >> Questions get answered on user lists... > Thanks - I have reorganized Antoine's suggestions

Project base data change for project 'ant-apacheeasyant'

Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-apacheeasyant by antoine: { "category": "build-management", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-easyant-tasks.git";, "bug-database": "http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/EASYANT";, "descript

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

On 1/15/15 3:47 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: >> ...QO30 - do we really want individual projects to have / advertise >> their own ways to take security reports?... > We do not want that, agreed, but as I want the model to be usable by > non-Ap

Project base data change for project 'ant-ivy'

Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-ivy by antoine: { "category": "build-management", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-ivy.git";, "bug-database": "https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IVY";, "description": "Apache Ivy is a v

Project base data change for project 'ant-antunit'

Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-antunit by antoine: { "category": "build-management, testing", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-antlibs-antunit.git";, "bug-database": "http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?product=An

Project base data change for project 'ant-vss-ant-library'

Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-vss-ant-library by antoine: { "category": "build-management", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-antlibs-vss.git";, "bug-database": "http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?product=Ant";,

Project base data change for project 'ant-.net-ant-library'

Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-.net-ant-library by antoine: { "category": "build-management", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-antlibs-dotnet.git";, "bug-database": "http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?product=Ant

Project base data change for project 'ant-ivyde'

Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-ivyde by antoine: { "category": "build-management", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-ivyde.git";, "bug-database": "https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IVYDE";, "description": "IvyDE lets

Project base data change for project 'ant-compress-ant-library'

Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-compress-ant-library by antoine: { "category": "build-management", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-antlibs-compress.git";, "bug-database": "http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?produ

Project base data change for project 'ant-props-ant-library'

Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-props-ant-library by antoine: { "category": "build-management", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-antlibs-props.git";, "bug-database": "http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?product=Ant

Project base data change for project 'ant-ivy'

Hello, The following new base data was set for ant-ivy by antoine: { "category": "build-management", "GitRepository": "ttps://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant-ivy.git", "bug-database": "https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IVY";, "description": "Apache Ivy is a ver

Project base data change for project 'ant'

Hello, The following new base data was set for ant by antoine: { "category": "build-management", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/ant.git";, "bug-database": "http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?product=Ant";, "description": "Apache A

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

On 01/15/2015 02:47 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: >> ...QO30 - do we really want individual projects to have / advertise >> their own ways to take security reports?... > > We do not want that, agreed, but as I want the model to be usable by >

Re: New ComDev VM

Hmmm, maybe someone can look at https://jquery-datatables-row-grouping.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/collapsibleGroups.html and work out something nifty? On 2015-01-15 20:24, Daniel Gruno wrote: On 2015-01-15 17:00, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: I was thinking of putting the data in a JQuery

Re: New ComDev VM

On 2015-01-15 17:00, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: I was thinking of putting the data in a JQuery DataTable, this will make it searchable and sortable. Not a terrible idea you have there :) I have committed a test for this, available at https://projects-new.apache.org/datatables.html no

Re: New ComDev VM

Perhaps the a comment on the Infra page? Mobile > On 15 Jan 2015, at 10:54, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) > wrote: > > Site dev is just a convenience list. There is no committee backing it. ComDev > is the right place. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > From: D

RE: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

"highly unlikely" is a mischaracterization and given that Pierre is spending time getting answers to the questions asked I don't believe he has interpreted it that way. I believe Pierre understands precisely what people are saying, accepts the concerns and is taking appropriate action to address

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On 1/15/15, 9:46 AM, "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" wrote: >Where are you seeing "discouragement of pilot projects"? In the tone and content of the responses on this thread, including this one where it feels to me you are again using the maintenance and training costs to make it seem highly unl

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > ...Infra should be encouraged to learn new things if the ROI is established > by the pilot program... Of course, but when you have to maintain systems for years the investment is huge...so the return has to be huge as well. -Bertrand

RE: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

Where are you seeing "discouragement of pilot projects"? Any volunteer can step up and deliver any pilot for the foundation on a voluntary basis. We are set up to do that. However, if a service stood up by a volunteer becomes a core part of the ASF then that must be maintained in an ongoing bas

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On 1/15/15, 6:35 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" wrote: >On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: >> ...*historically*, when this kind of thing has happened (project >>implements, >> thing becomes critical), gradually it becomes the responsibility of >>Infra, >> not of the project, to do o

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

To put that last sentence in a more positive manner: The future looks bright and is multi-coloured! But it is shrouded in layers of mists. Unfortunately, so is the future influx of funds. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manuf

Re: New ComDev VM

+1 > On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) > wrote: > > Site dev is just a convenience list. There is no committee backing it. ComDev > is the right place. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > From: Daniel Gruno >

RE: New ComDev VM

I was thinking of putting the data in a JQuery DataTable, this will make it searchable and sortable. Maybe someone else will beat me to it. Sent from my Windows Phone From: jan i Sent: ‎1/‎15/‎2015 3:29 AM To: dev@community.apache.org

RE: New ComDev VM

Site dev is just a convenience list. There is no committee backing it. ComDev is the right place. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Daniel Gruno Sent: ‎1/‎15/‎2015 7:49 AM To: dev@community.apache.org Su

Re: New ComDev VM

Hi Louis, Yes, I have discussed with my VP, and he does not have any interest whatsoever in infra maintaining the projects site, which is why I instead turned to comdev as a sponsor. projects.apache.org is just as much about getting new people to participate in our community (by finding proje

Re: New ComDev VM (was: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal)

Daniel, One thing—Apache’s Infra page lists site-dev@ for overhauls that seem to be like what you are proposing. See "site-dev@ The site-dev list was formed to allow for discussion of every aspect of the small number of websites that are centrally managed by the ASF (e.g. /dev/) and for co-ordi

RE: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

All your questions about operations and budgets for 5 years will be answered in the budget process this year. If you are interested in how and why I suggest you read (at least) the Presidents board report each month. It provides updates on the topics you discuss below as well as indications I'd

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

Maybe we should considering changing the subject as this seems bigger than just an overhaul of one of the front ends of the ASF? Yes, it all has to do with the ROI (the benefits at large vs the costs) for the ASF. And such need to be determined regarding the future, not the present day or the past

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > ...*historically*, when this kind of thing has happened (project implements, > thing becomes critical), gradually it becomes the responsibility of Infra, > not of the project, to do ongoing maintenance Yes, this is why I'm reluctant to enco

[maturity] QU40 - backwards compatibility, change or remove?

Hi, There were several comments about QU40 in the https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApacheProjectMaturityModel draft, which currently reads QU40 The project puts a high priority on backwards compatibility and aims to document any incompatible changes and provide tools and documentation to h

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On 01/14/2015 06:42 PM, Alex Harui wrote: I was probing the notion that it might be to the advantage of the OFBiz community to just volunteer something instead of being asked. Maybe the folks on this list know the other Apache projects better than I do, but I wouldn’t even know what to ask for

Project base data change for project 'trafficserver'

Hello, The following new base data was set for trafficserver by humbedooh: { "category": "http", "GitRepository": "", "bug-database": "https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TS";, "description": "Apache Traffic Server is fast, scalable and extensible HTTP/1.1 compliant

Re: Some maturity model comments

On 15/01/2015 11:33, "Bertrand Delacretaz" wrote: >On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Rob Vesse wrote: >... >> I think the LC50 is actually correct but could perhaps be phrased >>better... > >I've used your suggestion, thanks! Great > >> QU30: >> Agreed, some projects may not do anything that i

Re: Some maturity model comments

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Lefty Leverenz wrote: > Oh, duh, it's the maturity model. Well, in context I found it confusing Indeed - I have changed CO10 to read "...according to this maturity model". Thanks! -Bertrand

Re: Some maturity model comments

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Rob Vesse wrote: ... > I think the LC50 is actually correct but could perhaps be phrased better... I've used your suggestion, thanks! > QU30: > Agreed, some projects may not do anything that is attack prone... Added a footnote > ...Should there be a CS60 about

Re: Some maturity model comments

Hi, Thanks for the comments in this thread, I (think I) have incorporated them in revision 14 of https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApacheProjectMaturityModel On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > CD40: perhaps change 'previous version' to 'released version' done > > CD50:

Project base data change for project 'corinthia'

Hello, The following new base data was set for corinthia by jani: { "category": "library", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-corinthia.git";, "bug-database": "https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COR";, "description": "Corinthia is a

Re: New ComDev VM

Hi Very nice site, a little idea, sort the projects on https://projects-new.apache.org/projects.html?language#C, that makes it easier to look at. rgds jan i On 15 January 2015 at 12:14, Daniel Gruno wrote: > Just a note/reminder: Whatever you push to svn goes public within 3 > seconds, so feel

Re: New ComDev VM

Just a note/reminder: Whatever you push to svn goes public within 3 seconds, so feel free to use the site for your tests if you like. With regards, Daniel. On 2015-01-15 09:07, Daniel Gruno wrote: Hiya folks, as part of trying out the new projects site, I have set up a VM inside our infrastru

Re: Some maturity model comments

Oh, duh, it's the maturity model. Well, in context I found it confusing. -- Lefty On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Lefty Leverenz wrote: > In CO10, what does "according to this model" mean? > > *CO10* > > The project has a well-known homepage that points to all the information >> required to o

Project base data change for project 'corinthia'

Hello, The following new base data was set for corinthia by humbedooh: { "category": "library", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-corinthia.git";, "bug-database": "", "description": "Corinthia is a toolkit/application for converting b

Project base data change for project 'corinthia'

Hello, The following new base data was set for corinthia by humbedooh: { "category": "", "GitRepository": "https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-corinthia.git";, "bug-database": "", "description": "Corinthia is a toolkit/application for converting between

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > ...QO30 - do we really want individual projects to have / advertise > their own ways to take security reports?... We do not want that, agreed, but as I want the model to be usable by non-Apache projects as well I'm trying to focus on the core

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > ...Missing Q or C thing: > > The project is not dead. Bugs do not sit forever with no response. > Questions get answered on user lists... Thanks - I have reorganized Antoine's suggestions about this to be QU50 The project strives to process

Re: Some maturity model comments

In CO10, what does "according to this model" mean? *CO10* The project has a well-known homepage that points to all the information > required to operate according to this model. > If it means the Apache model, do most project home pages currently point to information about Apache operations? --

Re: Project base data change for project 'bloodhound'

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > You can virtually put anything you like as a category, the system will > adapt to whatever you enter. > If you want a new category called "bugtracking", just append it to the > categories field; "content, bugtracking" and it will (eventually)

Re: Project base data change for project 'bloodhound'

You can virtually put anything you like as a category, the system will adapt to whatever you enter. If you want a new category called "bugtracking", just append it to the categories field; "content, bugtracking" and it will (eventually) show up as a new category when your browse projects :) Wi

Re: Project base data change for project 'bloodhound'

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Benedikt Ritter wrote: > 2015-01-15 9:19 GMT+01:00 : > > > > > Hello, > > > > The following new base data was set for bloodhound by rjollos: > > > > { > > "category": "content", > > "GitRepository": "", > > "bug-database": "http://issues.apache

Re: Project base data change for project 'bloodhound'

2015-01-15 9:19 GMT+01:00 : > > Hello, > > The following new base data was set for bloodhound by rjollos: > > { > "category": "content", > "GitRepository": "", > "bug-database": "http://issues.apache.org/bloodhound/";, > "description": "Apache Bloodhound is an open source c

Project base data change for project 'httpd'

Hello, The following new base data was set for httpd by humbedooh: { "category": "network-server, http, httpd-module", "GitRepository": "", "bug-database": "http://httpd.apache.org/bug_report.html";, "description": "The Apache HTTP Server is an open-source HTTP server

Project base data change for project 'incubator'

Hello, The following new base data was set for incubator by humbedooh: { "category": "", "GitRepository": "", "bug-database": "", "description": "The Incubator project is the entry path into The Apache Software Foundation (ASF) for projects and codebases wishing to be

Project base data change for project 'bloodhound'

Hello, The following new base data was set for bloodhound by rjollos: { "category": "content", "GitRepository": "", "bug-database": "http://issues.apache.org/bloodhound/";, "description": "Apache Bloodhound is an open source collaboration tool to track the progress of

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

See inline. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > I was probing the notion that it might be to th

New ComDev VM (was: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal)

Hiya folks, as part of trying out the new projects site, I have set up a VM inside our infrastructure for us to use. the VM is called projects-vm.apache.org and is tied to LDAP much like people.apache.org is these days, thus you will need to have your public ssh key in your LDAP profile in orde