Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Stephen Connolly wrote: > 72h for a vote is not a hard and fast rule (you just need a good reason for > why you are going shorter and from what I have seen, the board would > probably be ok as long as protections are put in place to safeguard the > community) By no

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > So it's not true to say that 'community over code' precludes this. > Some communities have chosen this. +1 high-cadence releasing should be a community decision. > All the remarks about code quality and stability are, I think, off > topic

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-08 Thread Stephen Connolly
But what if the community wants Apache to have such a rapid cadence? By forcing the community to decamp to GitHub, then what are we saying to that community? Sorry we may value community over code, but we value procedure over both? If that is the answer, then so be it, let's change our mantra fro

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-08 Thread Henri Yandell
If you want to have a faster release cadence, then I think the answer is for _you_ (not Apache) to have a faster release cadence. It seems easy to look at Apache rules for releases and Linux rules for releases (as an underpinning for the features found in Git) and treat them as incompatible, but I

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-08 Thread Benson Margulies
What I see here is a disagreement about the meaning of the Apache brand. Some people feel that the Apache brand should always imply a particular style of project. Other people in the past have written at length that the ASF should be a big tent that accommodates many styles of project. There are al