Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-06-09 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Hi Erik, Thank you for the information about the typo. Unfortunately, the 0.0.0-EMPTY initiative was shut down due to opposition by Jochen Wiedmann and Rahul Akolkar among others. Other voices favorable to the initiative were not heard or were not persistent enough. Anyway, we'll have to resort

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-06-09 Thread Erik van Oosten
Not sure where to report this. There is a tiny typo in https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/sandbox/logging_empty/trunk/pom.xml Please search for the text "0.0.0-EMPPTY", with 2 P's. Regards, Erik. PS. Ceki, very good idea you presented in this thread. Ceki Gulcu wrote: > > Henri Y

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-17 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Henri Yandell wrote: I've given you karma for the sandbox. Make a logging branch in there and it can be voted on for release into proper. Great. Thank you. I just successfully created https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/sandbox/logging_empty/ Hen -- Ceki Gülcü Logback: The reliabl

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-17 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Ceki Gulcu wrote: > > > Henri Yandell wrote: > >> We're not actually ceding control though. I'm assuming the 0.0 or 99.0 >> version will be released through us etc etc. As you're an Apache >> committer I don't see any reason why that should be an issue. If we >> ne

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-17 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Henri Yandell wrote: We're not actually ceding control though. I'm assuming the 0.0 or 99.0 version will be released through us etc etc. As you're an Apache committer I don't see any reason why that should be an issue. If we need to release a 0.0.0 (or whatever) later to fix an issue in the em

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-15 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Ceki Gulcu wrote: > > Henri Yandell wrote: >> We got into this mess because there wasn't a solution and we needed >> something for Commons libraries. Personally I think there is gain in >> gently end of lifeing Commons Logging in favour of a focused logging >> pro

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-15 Thread Ceki Gulcu
sebb wrote: On 15/05/2009, nicolas de loof wrote: I'm +1 to have a 0.0 version in central under commons-logging groupId. - this can't break the LATEST rule - this will only apply if user explicitly declare this version as dependency (or dependencyManagement) - this don't break the existin

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-15 Thread sebb
On 15/05/2009, nicolas de loof wrote: > I'm +1 to have a 0.0 version in central under commons-logging groupId. > - this can't break the LATEST rule > - this will only apply if user explicitly declare this version as dependency > (or dependencyManagement) > - this don't break the existing commo

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-15 Thread nicolas de loof
I'm +1 to have a 0.0 version in central under commons-logging groupId. - this can't break the LATEST rule - this will only apply if user explicitly declare this version as dependency (or dependencyManagement) - this don't break the existing commosn-logging user-base - this avoid introducing some th

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-15 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Henri Yandell wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Ceki Gulcu wrote: Hi Ralph and co, The issue has been raised on the Maven list about 5 times, and if I remember correctly, it was raised by yourself once or twice. However, I am not aware of any progress on the issue. Anyway, my request i

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Ceki Gulcu wrote: > Hi Ralph and co, > > The issue has been raised on the Maven list about 5 times, and if I > remember correctly, it was raised by yourself once or twice. However, > I am not aware of any progress on the issue. > > Anyway, my request involves allow

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Hi Ralph and co, The issue has been raised on the Maven list about 5 times, and if I remember correctly, it was raised by yourself once or twice. However, I am not aware of any progress on the issue. Anyway, my request involves allowing commons-logging v99 to be published on ibiblio. This needs

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread Ralph Goers
I would suggest bringing this up on the Maven dev list. I could see adding this as a feature to 3.0 to allow artifacts to be "redirected" to a replacement artifact. On May 14, 2009, at 2:23 AM, Ceki Gulcu wrote: Hello all, A large number of Maven projects declare commons-logging as a depen

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread sebb
On 14/05/2009, sebb wrote: > On 14/05/2009, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:35 AM, sebb wrote: > > > > > Has anyone tried declaring commons logging as system ? > > > > > > Beg your pardon, but this is against any use of transitive > > dependencies. Likewise for "pr

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread nicolas de loof
I myself use slf4j and this "99" hack Using en empty "commons-logging-0.0-null.jar" would NOT break the LATEST keyword resolution and could be forced from project (with provided scope) This would be a nice solution to globaly exclude xommons-logging without breaking existing builds Nicolas 200

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread sebb
On 14/05/2009, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:35 AM, sebb wrote: > > > Has anyone tried declaring commons logging as system ? > > > Beg your pardon, but this is against any use of transitive > dependencies. Likewise for "provided", of course. If it is a > dependency, then

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Jörg Schaible wrote: Use scope "provided" - if any. Actually if people use a master pom and declare CL in the depMgmt section with this scope, it should do the trick. Provided just means that the artifact will not be included in the packaged application. However, during development, within t

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:35 AM, sebb wrote: > Has anyone tried declaring commons logging as system ? Beg your pardon, but this is against any use of transitive dependencies. Likewise for "provided", of course. If it is a dependency, then it is. If anyone else intends to replace it, okay, but t

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Ceki Gulcu wrote: > Would the Apache Commons community, out of courtesy to developers, > consent to commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist" to be > published in the main maven repository? No, never do that! It possibly breaks any algorithm that attempts to

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread Ceki Gulcu
sebb wrote: Has anyone tried declaring commons logging as system ? Won't that stop it being added to the classpath? I have not tries this but wouldn't declaring a dependency in the system scope force the artifact to be present on the file system of the host to begin with? -- Ceki Gülcü Log

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread Jörg Schaible
sebb wrote at Donnerstag, 14. Mai 2009 11:35: > On 14/05/2009, Ceki Gulcu wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> A large number of Maven projects declare commons-logging as a >> dependency. Thus, if a developer wishes to use jcl-over-slf4j instead >> of commons-logging, he or she would need to declare a c

Re: sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread sebb
On 14/05/2009, Ceki Gulcu wrote: > Hello all, > > A large number of Maven projects declare commons-logging as a > dependency. Thus, if a developer wishes to use jcl-over-slf4j instead > of commons-logging, he or she would need to declare a commons-logging > exclusion in all of his/her dependen

sanctioning commons-logging version "99.0-does-not-exist"

2009-05-14 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Hello all, A large number of Maven projects declare commons-logging as a dependency. Thus, if a developer wishes to use jcl-over-slf4j instead of commons-logging, he or she would need to declare a commons-logging exclusion in all of his/her dependencies which transitively depend on commons-loggin