Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-25 Thread Phil Steitz
On 8/20/13 12:07 PM, Ajo Fod wrote: > My 2c worth. It seems like there is a general bottleneck. A lot of ideas > don't get used because there is a hurdle that people have to make change > that satisfy all code requirements like tests/reuse of blocks etc. This > makes for a larger than necessary hur

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-23 Thread Phil Steitz
On 8/21/13 3:07 PM, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > Hello, > > "but those who propose it must be ready to perform a _committer_ work" > > I wonder if this is correct, this is after all (a somewhat annoyingly broad) > discussion list. If somebody suggest a new API/Structure and backs it up even > with so

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-23 Thread Ted Dunning
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Luc Maisonobe wrote: > Then you just clone it as you > would clone any repositories and provide a link to your own repository. > If I remember well, Evan just did that a few days ago. > And you can do with it as you will. Build a prototype without tests to make

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-22 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Le 22/08/2013 06:27, James Ring a écrit : > Seems to me that a more distributed change control system like git would > allow would-be contributors to put their code up for scrutiny without > having to create sandbox projects and the like. You can already do it this way if you want. Look at http://

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-22 Thread Evan Ward
I agree with James that this is a problem that git has already solved. For the changes I'm working on I have already cloned from the git mirror and plan to upload the patch as a fork + pull request on github. I think the "branchyness" of distributed version control makes it easy to have several

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-22 Thread sebb
On 22 August 2013 05:27, James Ring wrote: > Seems to me that a more distributed change control system like git would > allow would-be contributors to put their code up for scrutiny without > having to create sandbox projects and the like. > > If enough people get behind some patches, they could i

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-21 Thread James Ring
Seems to me that a more distributed change control system like git would allow would-be contributors to put their code up for scrutiny without having to create sandbox projects and the like. If enough people get behind some patches, they could iterate faster and get it checked into the mainline fa

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-21 Thread Gilles
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 00:07:51 +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: Hello, "but those who propose it must be ready to perform a _committer_ work" I wonder if this is correct, this is after all (a somewhat annoyingly broad) discussion list. You seem to answer that below ("nobody can expect such draft

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-21 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
Hello, "but those who propose it must be ready to perform a _committer_ work" I wonder if this is correct, this is after all (a somewhat annoyingly broad) discussion list. If somebody suggest a new API/Structure and backs it up even with some working proof of concept code (which better explains

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-21 Thread Gilles
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:42:09 -0700, Ajo Fod wrote: Good for you... Yes just imagine if I'd to get every fix through committers. I'd never get anything done here. Not every fix; commit to start with one. I've spent a _lot_ of time detailing what you could do to go forward with the issues whic

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-21 Thread Ted Dunning
+1 Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2013, at 9:42, Ajo Fod wrote: > > I hope you'll agree that as it stands, this makes CM capable of only > solving a subset the mathematical problems of what it can solve with a more > open policy. > > The argument for alternative designs of the API is great to

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-21 Thread Ajo Fod
Good for you... Yes just imagine if I'd to get every fix through committers. I'd never get anything done here. > On the subject of this thread: I did not imply that an "experimental" > package would allow sloppy or undocumented code or bypass unit testing. > All (the above) things being equal, t

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-21 Thread Konstantin Berlin
Before someone spend time rewriting the whole package, wouldn't we want the ability to comment on a skeleton design that might not pass unit tests? On Tuesday, August 20, 2013, Gilles wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:55:51 -0700, Ajo Fod wrote: > >> I agree that in general test are necessary to en

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-20 Thread Gilles
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:55:51 -0700, Ajo Fod wrote: I agree that in general test are necessary to ensure that something useful is being accomplished by the submitted code as I'd mentioned in my mail. I admire the rigour of tests in CM. There was one case where I didn't know what needs be teste

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-20 Thread Ajo Fod
I agree that in general test are necessary to ensure that something useful is being accomplished by the submitted code as I'd mentioned in my mail. I admire the rigour of tests in CM. There was one case where I didn't know what needs be tested and I didn't see the point in taking it further since

Re: Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-20 Thread Gary Gregory
On the point of tests: Considering tests a hurdle is the wrong way to look at it. Tests are the foundation I can confidently build on and change code. Gary On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Ajo Fod wrote: > My 2c worth. It seems like there is a general bottleneck. A lot of ideas > don't get use

Need for an alternatives to the main line of code.

2013-08-20 Thread Ajo Fod
My 2c worth. It seems like there is a general bottleneck. A lot of ideas don't get used because there is a hurdle that people have to make change that satisfy all code requirements like tests/reuse of blocks etc. This makes for a larger than necessary hurdle for people to contribute. Looks like Gi