Re: Consolidating Subprojects

2009-11-23 Thread Torsten Curdt
>>> Sure, but how many users have that requirement? More than 1%? >> >> Even if it is 1%, it's worth considering. I am really not comfortable >> with project addressing only the 80% more frequent cases. Minority >> should never be neglected. It's clearly a philosophical and personal choice. You ju

Re: Consolidating Subprojects

2009-11-23 Thread Henri Yandell
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Luc Maisonobe wrote: > Torsten Curdt a écrit : >>> We use some commons projects in one of our commercial products that >>> uses in-browser applets. Size is very important for some of our >>> customers who have clients connecting in from geographically remote >>> ou

Re: Consolidating Subprojects

2009-11-23 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Torsten Curdt a écrit : >> We use some commons projects in one of our commercial products that >> uses in-browser applets. Size is very important for some of our >> customers who have clients connecting in from geographically remote >> outstations over links with about as much bandwidth as a piece

How often to release [Was: Consolidating Subprojects]

2009-11-23 Thread Henri Yandell
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: > As > Torsten pointed out, the difficulty managing "multi-releases" is > also not to be underestimated. IMO we do not do as good a job as we > should releasing often and early in Commons and I would be hesitant > to make a change that made that

Re: Consolidating Subprojects

2009-11-23 Thread Phil Steitz
Doug Bateman wrote: > Howdy all, > > Tonight while browsing through the latest commons projects, it > occurred to me the once modest commons project has grown substantially > over time and has a lot of great stuff. There are now lots of sub > projects. Actually, it's 37 active subprojects to be

Re: Consolidating Subprojects

2009-11-23 Thread Torsten Curdt
> We use some commons projects in one of our commercial products that > uses in-browser applets. Size is very important for some of our > customers who have clients connecting in from geographically remote > outstations over links with about as much bandwidth as a piece of wet > string. > > We ship

Re: Consolidating Subprojects

2009-11-23 Thread Mat Booth
2009/11/22 Doug Bateman : >> It means much bigger jars. 3M jars when people complain about the >> size of the 500k Collections jar. I think a lot of that is not the >> size of the jar, but the ability to grok the fullness of the API - >> anyone who actually cares about jar size should be using tool

Re: Consolidating Subprojects

2009-11-23 Thread Mat Booth
2009/11/22 Doug Bateman : >> It means much bigger jars. 3M jars when people complain about the >> size of the 500k Collections jar. I think a lot of that is not the >> size of the jar, but the ability to grok the fullness of the API - >> anyone who actually cares about jar size should be using tool

Re: Consolidating Subprojects

2009-11-22 Thread Doug Bateman
> Raising one question: do you thing some production project could use > latest version of project commons.A and old version of commons.B ? They > would probably not like merging both projects into one. Is this a use > case we want to address or is it too theoretical ? Well, the dependencies betwe

Re: Consolidating Subprojects

2009-11-22 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Doug Bateman a écrit : > Howdy all, > > Tonight while browsing through the latest commons projects, it > occurred to me the once modest commons project has grown substantially > over time and has a lot of great stuff. There are now lots of sub > projects. Actually, it's 37 active subprojects to

Re: Consolidating Subprojects

2009-11-21 Thread Ralph Goers
On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Doug Bateman wrote: > So that's the question... would it potentially be beneficial to > consolidate some of the projects? What do we lose? What do we gain? > The developer community around many of the commons projects is small. Looking at the committer lists can

Re: Consolidating Subprojects

2009-11-21 Thread Henri Yandell
Very impressive email. With regards to JDK dependency, I would treat everything as 1.5 dependent and worry about how to handle 1.6/1,7. Lang's trunk is 1.5 and there are 3 issues that would like 1.6. Some more/repeated issues: * Ties release cycles together. Some major issue in one component wou

Consolidating Subprojects

2009-11-21 Thread Doug Bateman
Howdy all, Tonight while browsing through the latest commons projects, it occurred to me the once modest commons project has grown substantially over time and has a lot of great stuff.  There are now lots of sub projects. Actually, it's 37 active subprojects to be exact.  Plus the archived projec