Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-20 Thread sebb
Many applications rely on a single class-loader. Not all applications can easily be changed to use multiple classloaders, and anyway I don't think Commons should force end-users to use multiple class-loaders to fix compatibility issues. Since a single class loader can only load a single instance

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-19 Thread Torsten Curdt
>> Why are you using the jars from the app server would be my question. > > * Because I wouldn't want to modify the installation? > * Because I'd like to deliver my application to customers so that they > can deploy in an unmodified environment? > * Because it works fine that way with the current p

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-19 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Torsten Curdt wrote: > Why are you using the jars from the app server would be my question. * Because I wouldn't want to modify the installation? * Because I'd like to deliver my application to customers so that they can deploy in an unmodified environment? * Bec

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-19 Thread Torsten Curdt
>>> * source compatibility for x.*.* >> >> Disagreed. I can quote numerous examples of application servers that >> come with varying versions of commons-foo, even within my employers >> house. Your proposal would mean that I had to create varying jar files >> of the applications shared library, dep

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-19 Thread sebb
On 19 April 2011 09:33, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote: > >> * source compatibility for x.*.* > > Disagreed. I can quote numerous examples of application servers that > come with varying versions of commons-foo, even within my employers > house. You

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-19 Thread Jörg Schaible
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote: > >> * source compatibility for x.*.* > > Disagreed. I can quote numerous examples of application servers that > come with varying versions of commons-foo, even within my employers > house. Your proposal would mean

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-19 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote: > * source compatibility for x.*.* Disagreed. I can quote numerous examples of application servers that come with varying versions of commons-foo, even within my employers house. Your proposal would mean that I had to create varying jar file

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-19 Thread Torsten Curdt
With a version of x.y.z I think it would be sane to expect... * binary compatibility for x.y.* * source compatibility for x.*.* * no compatibility whatsoever for *.*.* * but *.*.* releases should not clash I don't think we should cater for any other kind of user stories. If it's a user wants to u

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-18 Thread sebb
On 18 April 2011 21:40, Henri Yandell wrote: > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Daniel F. Savarese wrote: >> >> I guess I had more to say, or rather ask. >> >> In message , sebb writes: >>>really necessary, because of the additional work that it causes all >>>downstream users. >> >> What addition

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-18 Thread Jörg Schaible
Daniel F. Savarese wrote: > > I guess I had more to say, or rather ask. > > In message , sebb > writes: >>really necessary, because of the additional work that it causes all >>downstream users. > > What additional work? As far as I know, end users--as in people who don't > write code--don't do

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Daniel F. Savarese wrote: > > I guess I had more to say, or rather ask. > > In message , sebb writes: >>really necessary, because of the additional work that it causes all >>downstream users. > > What additional work?  As far as I know, end users--as in people who

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-18 Thread sebb
On 18 April 2011 21:03, Daniel F. Savarese wrote: > > In message , sebb writes: >>If binary compat. is to be broken, then it needs to be done once, and >>done properly so it does not have to be done again. That's not >>something I personally have any inclination to tackle at present, so >>I'm tryi

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-18 Thread sebb
On 15 April 2011 20:34, Daniel F. Savarese wrote: > > In message <-2240415941472220542@unknownmsgid>, Gary Gregory writes: >>If your are going to break binary compatibility then a major release >>is the time to do it. Is there any question that the design is wrong? > > I got the impression the cha

Re: [net] binary compatibility be damned

2011-04-15 Thread Gary Gregory
If your are going to break binary compatibility then a major release is the time to do it. Is there any question that the design is wrong? Gary On Apr 15, 2011, at 10:49, "Daniel F. Savarese" wrote: > > Prior to the 3.0 release, I'm trying to review recent code changes and > test the code in wh