Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-12 Thread John Spackman
events" - NOTABUG 44 "[jelly] ClassLoader Problems with XMLParser and XMLParser reuse" - POSTPONED 82 "Add UseVector tag" - POSTPONED (no response from submitter) 13 "Jelly should throw an exception if an unknown tag is used in a TagLibrary" - FIXED Regards, John

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-11 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Paul Libbrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We're converging John here, > > I'll try to keep up with patches and commits in order for you to become a > committer. > Henri, can you please agree that we "try to make jelly enter a maintained > mode", within a month or

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-11 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:05 AM, Russel Winder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 17:27 -0500, Rahul Akolkar wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Russel Winder >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> I think the bulk of this message would have been better off in a new >> threa

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-11 Thread sebb
quot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Commons Developers List" > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. > Open/FederatedCommons > > > We're converging John here, > > I'll try to keep up wi

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/Federated Commons

2008-11-11 Thread John Spackman
Hi Henri, Using Henri's analogies from his recent blog, I took Jelly home from the Commons a couple of years ago and we're now ready to "put it in the window and see if we're invited to play" [...snip...] As below - analogy was about other Apache projects but probably applies here as you say.

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-11 Thread John Spackman
ad? John - Original Message - From: "Paul Libbrecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Commons Developers List" Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons We're converging John here, I'll try to

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-11 Thread Paul Libbrecht
quot;Commons Developers List" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/ FederatedCommons John, Le 10-nov.-08 à 07:11, John Spackman a écrit : Yes, kind of - I've only recently come across Git and the concept of DVCS but it wa

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-11 Thread Russel Winder
John, On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 05:28 +, John Spackman wrote: [ . . . ] > I think you're talking about a different "problem" - Jelly is used for far > more than Ant/Maven replacement (I don't usually use either) and maintaining > it is not an altruistic choice for me, but a practical one because

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-11 Thread Russel Winder
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 17:27 -0500, Rahul Akolkar wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Russel Winder > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think the bulk of this message would have been better off in a new > thread, marked [OT]. Possibly but I didn't think of it. On other lists that would ha

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-10 Thread John Spackman
patch submission to JIRA yesterday (with a follow-up in response to your comments today). John - Original Message - From: "Paul Libbrecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Commons Developers List" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-10 Thread John Spackman
ractical one because I find it so very useful. John - Original Message - From: "Russel Winder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Commons Developers List" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [jelly] Is jelly

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/Federated Commons

2008-11-10 Thread Henri Yandell
Repling inline to both Paul and John: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Paul Libbrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Le 09-nov.-08 à 05:35, John Spackman a écrit : >> Using Henri's analogies from his recent blog, I took Jelly home from the >> Commons a couple of years ago and we're now ready to

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development

2008-11-10 Thread Felipe Leme
Hi all, Just for the record, I have used Jelly in a commercial project as well, in the installer of an application that supported multiple databases (like Oracle and MySql) - we developed the database installation/update script in Jelly. So, regardless of the discussion of wheter Jelly is appropr

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-10 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Russel Winder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the bulk of this message would have been better off in a new thread, marked [OT]. Some of these discussions have been happening at the ASF, on a more appropriate list whose public archives are here: http://mail-

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-10 Thread Paul Libbrecht
John, Le 10-nov.-08 à 07:11, John Spackman a écrit : Yes, kind of - I've only recently come across Git and the concept of DVCS but it was my intention to look at using a DVCS for this. But DVCS "only" does source code - setting up a seperate branch only works if the community at large see the

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-10 Thread Russel Winder
John, On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 06:11 +, John Spackman wrote: [ . . . ] > >Isn't this whole Subversion centralism problem solved by using a DVCS > >such as Bazaar, or Git -- and soon, I gather, Mercurial. > > Yes, kind of - I've only recently come across Git and the concept of DVCS > but it was

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/FederatedCommons

2008-11-09 Thread John Spackman
Hi Russel, Forgive me for butting in on a conversation but . . . Anytime :) Isn't this whole Subversion centralism problem solved by using a DVCS such as Bazaar, or Git -- and soon, I gather, Mercurial. Yes, kind of - I've only recently come across Git and the concept of DVCS but it was m

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/Federated Commons

2008-11-09 Thread John Spackman
7;t been incorporated. One of the first tasks I'd undertake in rejuvenating Jelly would be to integrate patches and start updating JIRA. Regards John - Original Message - From: "Paul Libbrecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Commons Developers List" Sent: Sunday

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/Federated Commons

2008-11-09 Thread Paul Libbrecht
Le 09-nov.-08 à 05:35, John Spackman a écrit : I agree that the website needs some changes although I had thought that this was largely for broken links and for a consistent left- hand side menu; updating the documentation for the taglibs is a pretty herculean task, not least because in orde

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/Federated Commons

2008-11-08 Thread Russel Winder
On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 04:35 +, John Spackman wrote: [ . . . ] > I am prepared to upgrade Jelly to Maven2 (not that I know much about what > that involves, yet) and to improve the website but I have to be confident > that the changes will happen quickly and easily, and that the project will >

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development vs. Open/Federated Commons

2008-11-08 Thread John Spackman
unaffected, but new users and users wishing to update would be referred to the new Federated Jelly website & repository. Regards, John - Original Message - From: "Paul Libbrecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Commons Developers List" Sent: Saturday, November

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development

2008-11-08 Thread Paul Libbrecht
List" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:11 PM, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development

2008-11-08 Thread John Spackman
" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:11 PM, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development

2008-11-06 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:11 PM, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> I'm thinking we should: >> >> a) remove from trunks-proper >> b) Update the homepage to say "Not Actively Maintained" >> c) Upda

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development

2008-11-06 Thread ralph.goers @dslextreme.com
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm thinking we should: > > a) remove from trunks-proper > b) Update the homepage to say "Not Actively Maintained" > c) Update the Commons homepage to put this into a release subcategory > of "Not Actively Maintained" >

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development

2008-11-06 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Paul Libbrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Le 05-nov.-08 à 10:22, XuQing Tan a écrit : >>> >>> I'm recently investigating some excutable xml scripters. So I want to know >>> is Jelly still i

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development

2008-11-05 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Paul Libbrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le 05-nov.-08 à 10:22, XuQing Tan a écrit : >> >> I'm recently investigating some excutable xml scripters. So I want to know >> is Jelly still in development, since it's last release is in 2004? > > Nick, > > Unfortunately

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development

2008-11-05 Thread Russel Winder
On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 10:55 +0100, Paul Libbrecht wrote: > Jelly is still unbeatable as a glue in xml processing. I think that is a conjecture, a claim even, that needs justification and support. Groovy, Python, Ruby people would argue (and I think quite rightly) that XML is a data specification

Re: [jelly] Is jelly still in development

2008-11-05 Thread Paul Libbrecht
Le 05-nov.-08 à 10:22, XuQing Tan a écrit : I'm recently investigating some excutable xml scripters. So I want to know is Jelly still in development, since it's last release is in 2004? Nick, Unfortunately no. For a long time it was annoyed by the fact that building it required huge resour

[jelly] Is jelly still in development

2008-11-05 Thread XuQing Tan
Hi, all I'm recently investigating some excutable xml scripters. So I want to know is Jelly still in development, since it's last release is in 2004? -- Thanks & Best Regards! Nick