On 10/06/2013 09:44 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> James,
>
> thank you.
>
> I believe Commons is in a bad shape.
>
> Look at Commons Collections. Before 4 years somebody
> said Guava is more modern, he his answer seems to be widely accepted.
> http://stackoverflow.com/a/167/690771
> This
On 10/07/2013 08:14 PM, Benedikt Ritter wrote:
Hi,
since we have discussed a lot of different aspects, it may be time to sum
things up a bit (please correct me or add things I've missed):
Release Management - Releases take too long
- Build is overly complex
- dependencies to parent pom seem to
Hi,
since we have discussed a lot of different aspects, it may be time to sum
things up a bit (please correct me or add things I've missed):
Release Management - Releases take too long
- Build is overly complex
- dependencies to parent pom seem to be unclear
- to few releases (more releases may a
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>
> We discuss magic strings in the sandbox. Why? We don't need to discuss that.
> Before we release we can simply check Sonar. Safe the time to discuss. Fix
> it or leave it to Sonar to report it.
>
+1! This sort of behavior definitely
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> On 7 Oct 2013, at 13:58, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Christian Grobmeier > >wrote:
>>
>> What would be the difference to now?
>>>
>>>
>>> The difference can be *huge*, emotionally. For example, I felt qu
On 7 Oct 2013, at 13:58, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Christian Grobmeier
wrote:
What would be the difference to now?
The difference can be *huge*, emotionally. For example, I felt quite
at
home at the webservices project when working in JaxMe, XML-RPC, or
Axis.
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> What would be the difference to now?
>
>
The difference can be *huge*, emotionally. For example, I felt quite at
home at the webservices project when working in JaxMe, XML-RPC, or Axis.
OTOH, I feel completely isolated, since ws-commons
On 7 Oct 2013, at 12:58, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO wrote:
Hi Jochen,
Well summarized.
And I think you figured out what the real problem is.
We could work as in Incubator, isn't it?
Having one big umbrella and real subprojects.
What would be the difference to now?
I understand Commons as a project
+1
Le 7 oct. 2013 12:58, "Jean-Louis MONTEIRO" a écrit :
> Hi Jochen,
>
> Well summarized.
> And I think you figured out what the real problem is.
>
> We could work as in Incubator, isn't it?
> Having one big umbrella and real subprojects.
>
>
>
> JLouis
>
>
> 2013/10/7 Jochen Wiedmann
>
> > I b
Hi Jochen,
Well summarized.
And I think you figured out what the real problem is.
We could work as in Incubator, isn't it?
Having one big umbrella and real subprojects.
JLouis
2013/10/7 Jochen Wiedmann
> I believe that the problem is Commons structure. To have one big project
> which such
I believe that the problem is Commons structure. To have one big project
which such a lot of subprojects blocks building a small community. You're
not supposed to be a part of the small subproject, but the big community
"Commons". While the former would be appealing for a newcomer, the latter
just
Hi all,
Le 06/10/2013 21:44, Christian Grobmeier a écrit :
> James,
>
> thank you.
>
> I believe Commons is in a bad shape.
>
> Look at Commons Collections. Before 4 years somebody
> said Guava is more modern, he his answer seems to be widely accepted.
> http://stackoverflow.com/a/167/69077
I agree on the "The release process has always been a little bit of a
pain in the butt".
As you say most of people are volunteers so they prefer working on fun
part (coding and adding a new features) rather than wasting time on
too much (non needed?) procedures.
Yup that can be a long discussion...
> On Oct 6, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
>
> Stupid question: couldnt commons be broken in real projects (tlp) without
> links (other than deps) between them? Would make them using adapted rules
> to their need
Not a stupid question. We have talked about it in the past. The pr
Stupid question: couldnt commons be broken in real projects (tlp) without
links (other than deps) between them? Would make them using adapted rules
to their need
Le 6 oct. 2013 23:25, "Dave Brosius" a écrit :
> Phil,
>
> You definitely have a point, but nothing helps build a development
> communi
Phil,
You definitely have a point, but nothing helps build a development
community than seeing releases go out.
"I want to be part of that"
If there's no idea if or even when another version of a library will go
out, especially one that's hasn't released in a while, it deflates
possible joi
On 6 October 2013 21:46, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
>
>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:00 PM, James Carman wrote:
>>
>> The fact that it has taken so long before we got something out for
>> Collections 4.x is just an embarrassment. How long has Java had
>> generics? What could be causing us to be so slow to
I'd be fine with that, personally.
Matt
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:05 PM, James Carman wrote:
> How about we just switch to git, Matt? Many projects have already
> gone that route.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Matt Benson wrote:
> > Of the various tasks that are part of keeping Commons
How about we just switch to git, Matt? Many projects have already
gone that route.
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Matt Benson wrote:
> Of the various tasks that are part of keeping Commons going: making
> releases, pushing to the website, etc., I feel like there are maybe a
> couple of people
> On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:51 PM, James Carman wrote:
>
> So, would you say we have a problem attracting new committers or are
> our current committers just losing interest (or a combination of
> both)?
I think it's both, but the first is natural / will always be happening. It's
the second that
Of the various tasks that are part of keeping Commons going: making
releases, pushing to the website, etc., I feel like there are maybe a
couple of people who feel confident to do each task, and they're probably
not the same people for each task. I think it could be helpful to
establish a list of
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
> S/ale/make (love that iPhone :)
>
You know, the iPhone studies what words you use most often and assumes
that's what you mean ;) LOL
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> On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:00 PM, James Carman wrote:
>>
>> The fact that it has taken so long before we got something out for
>> Collections 4.x is just an embarrassment. How long has Java had
>> generics? What could be causing us to b
So, would you say we have a problem attracting new committers or are
our current committers just losing interest (or a combination of
both)?
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
>
>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:00 PM, James Carman wrote:
>>
>> The fact that it has taken so long before
> On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:00 PM, James Carman wrote:
>
> The fact that it has taken so long before we got something out for
> Collections 4.x is just an embarrassment. How long has Java had
> generics? What could be causing us to be so slow to get releases out?
I may be in the minority here, b
+1, looks like there are plenty of examples.
Agree with Phil, how could we make things lighter or easier?
I mean to get more release out.
Jean-Louis
2013/10/6 Phil Steitz
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Oliver Heger
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Christian,
> >
> > Am 06.10.2013 21:44, schrieb Chri
> On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Oliver Heger wrote:
>
> Hi Christian,
>
> Am 06.10.2013 21:44, schrieb Christian Grobmeier:
>> James,
>>
>> thank you.
>>
>> I believe Commons is in a bad shape.
>>
>> Look at Commons Collections. Before 4 years somebody
>> said Guava is more modern, he his ans
Hi Christian,
Am 06.10.2013 21:44, schrieb Christian Grobmeier:
> James,
>
> thank you.
>
> I believe Commons is in a bad shape.
>
> Look at Commons Collections. Before 4 years somebody
> said Guava is more modern, he his answer seems to be widely accepted.
> http://stackoverflow.com/a/167/
James,
thank you.
I believe Commons is in a bad shape.
Look at Commons Collections. Before 4 years somebody
said Guava is more modern, he his answer seems to be widely accepted.
http://stackoverflow.com/a/167/690771
This guy said we have no generics. What did we do in the past 4 years?
http
Let's take a look:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COLLECTIONS#selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project%3Aversions-panel
3.2.1 - 4/15/2008
3.2 - 5/14/2006
3.1 - 6/28/2004
We haven't had a release in over 5 years. The last one (which was a
point release) took two years roughly.
On 6 Oct 2013, at 20:57, Phil Steitz wrote:
> On 10/6/13 11:45 AM, James Carman wrote:
>> Collections 4.x, nuff said
>
> Huh? Didn't we release a beta? We could say the same thing about
> math 4.0, pool/dbcp 2.0, etc. These things are in progress. They
> will get released. There is activity.
The fact that it has taken so long before we got something out for
Collections 4.x is just an embarrassment. How long has Java had
generics? What could be causing us to be so slow to get releases out?
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
> On 10/6/13 11:45 AM, James Carman wrote:
On 10/6/13 11:45 AM, James Carman wrote:
> Collections 4.x, nuff said
Huh? Didn't we release a beta? We could say the same thing about
math 4.0, pool/dbcp 2.0, etc. These things are in progress. They
will get released. There is activity. I don't get the big problem
here.
Phil
>
>
> On Sun,
On 10/6/13 11:30 AM, James Carman wrote:
> All,
>
> The Apache Commons project seems to be languishing as of late and we
> need some rejuvenation. Perhaps we should try to define our mission
> as a project. What are our goals? What do we want to accomplish?
> Who are our users/customers? What n
Collections 4.x, nuff said
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Adrian Crum
wrote:
> I would like to know the metrics for that conclusion. I see plenty of
> discussions and commits, but I'm not seeing any languishing.
>
> Adrian Crum
> Sandglass Software
> www.sandglass-software.com
>
>
> On 10/6/201
I would like to know the metrics for that conclusion. I see plenty of
discussions and commits, but I'm not seeing any languishing.
Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com
On 10/6/2013 11:30 AM, James Carman wrote:
All,
The Apache Commons project seems to be languishing as of
All,
The Apache Commons project seems to be languishing as of late and we
need some rejuvenation. Perhaps we should try to define our mission
as a project. What are our goals? What do we want to accomplish?
Who are our users/customers? What non-functional qualities do we want
our software to e
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