Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-15 Thread Matt Benson
>From the time I spent recently perusing their API docs, I would guess from the fact that they qualify the URL scheme with a "1" version, that they will preserve compatibility indefinitely. If they alter their API I presume it will use a different version ID on the URL. Matt On Tue, Oct 15, 201

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-15 Thread sebb
On 15 October 2013 19:33, Matt Benson wrote: > Asked on #asfinfra and got the link from bdemers: [1]. He says it will > change to [2] whenever Nexus is upgraded. Thanks! Just to clarify: is it just the link that will change, or will the API change as well? > Matt > [1] > https://repository.apa

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-15 Thread Matt Benson
Asked on #asfinfra and got the link from bdemers: [1]. He says it will change to [2] whenever Nexus is upgraded. Matt [1] https://repository.apache.org/nexus-core-documentation-plugin/core/docs/index.html [2] https://repository.apache.org/nexus-restlet1x-plugin/default/docs/index.html On Tue,

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-15 Thread sebb
On 15 October 2013 17:54, Matt Benson wrote: > We should probably investigate whether Nexus's REST APIs would be of any > use here; seemingly they would make it much more difficult to inadvertently > delete the wrong file(s). I did try to find out about them. Unfortunately they are not documented

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-15 Thread Matt Benson
We should probably investigate whether Nexus's REST APIs would be of any use here; seemingly they would make it much more difficult to inadvertently delete the wrong file(s). Matt On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:33 AM, sebb wrote: > On 14 October 2013 02:21, Ralph Goers wrote: > > > > On Oct 13, 2

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-15 Thread sebb
On 14 October 2013 02:21, Ralph Goers wrote: > > On Oct 13, 2013, at 4:31 PM, sebb wrote: > >> Recently, I found that the Maven project RMs don't bother removing these. >> So the files are released to Maven Central with the rest. >> I assume that the Maven Central administrators don't care about t

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-13 Thread Ralph Goers
On Oct 13, 2013, at 4:31 PM, sebb wrote: > Recently, I found that the Maven project RMs don't bother removing these. > So the files are released to Maven Central with the rest. > I assume that the Maven Central administrators don't care about the > extra space needed. > > Now ASF source releases

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-13 Thread sebb
On 11 October 2013 10:23, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: > Le 11/10/2013 01:35, Matt Benson a écrit : >> We're all still talking about the release process, but in all honesty I've >> not done it for several years at Commons. I think it would be immensely >> helpful for those of us who have been at least p

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-13 Thread sebb
On 11 October 2013 05:16, Stefan Bodewig wrote: > On 2013-10-11, Matt Benson wrote: > >> We're all still talking about the release process, but in all honesty I've >> not done it for several years at Commons. I think it would be immensely >> helpful for those of us who have been at least part way

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-13 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Le 12/10/2013 10:07, Olivier Lamy a écrit : > Why removing those files? It's is strictly forbidden by any Apache > rules to have those? No, but it just clutters Maven Central. The .asc file contains a signed hash of the file, there is no need to have two additional hashes of a hash. > why creat

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-13 Thread James Carman
Phil, I'm for whatever makes it easier. In the new release test project, let's start "green field" and see what we come up with. If we see enough boilerplate to merit a parent, then we will extract those bits and make one. If not, then it's every component for themselves. On Sunday, October 13,

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-13 Thread Matt Benson
I understand your frustration, Phil, particularly if you're the type who has never liked the flavor of the Maven kool-aid... I know I struggled fruitlessly for years against Maven! However, the biggest benefit I see to the parent pom is the site management. I can't justify us propping up some cust

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-13 Thread Phil Steitz
On 10/11/13 3:53 AM, Gilles wrote: > On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 18:35:07 -0500, Matt Benson wrote: >> We're all still talking about the release process, but in all >> honesty I've >> not done it for several years at Commons. I think it would be >> immensely >> helpful for those of us who have been at lea

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-13 Thread James Carman
JIRA created: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6859 On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:17 AM, Siegfried Goeschl wrote: > +1 on that > > I did a few releases over the year and had ALWAYS issues - for me the > biggest obstacles are > > * getting a positive vote on a RC (that's a different story

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-13 Thread Siegfried Goeschl
+1 on that I did a few releases over the year and had ALWAYS issues - for me the biggest obstacles are * getting a positive vote on a RC (that's a different story) * getting the release out of the door - a test project would help immensely since I can blow it up without any consequences Che

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-12 Thread Olivier Lamy
On 11 October 2013 20:23, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: > Le 11/10/2013 01:35, Matt Benson a écrit : >> We're all still talking about the release process, but in all honesty I've >> not done it for several years at Commons. I think it would be immensely >> helpful for those of us who have been at least p

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-11 Thread Gilles
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 18:35:07 -0500, Matt Benson wrote: We're all still talking about the release process, but in all honesty I've not done it for several years at Commons. I think it would be immensely helpful for those of us who have been at least part way through the process fairly recently

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-11 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Le 11/10/2013 01:35, Matt Benson a écrit : > We're all still talking about the release process, but in all honesty I've > not done it for several years at Commons. I think it would be immensely > helpful for those of us who have been at least part way through the process > fairly recently (Emmanue

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-11 Thread Henri Yandell
+1 from me for anything that makes the release process sane. I'd be committing again if preparing a release was simple enough. As it is, I don't have the blocks of time needed to push out a release and committing to projects with no apparent release manager becomes an exercise in futility. Hen

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2013-10-11, Matt Benson wrote: > We're all still talking about the release process, but in all honesty I've > not done it for several years at Commons. I think it would be immensely > helpful for those of us who have been at least part way through the process > fairly recently (Emmanuel, Gary,

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread Matt Benson
We're all still talking about the release process, but in all honesty I've not done it for several years at Commons. I think it would be immensely helpful for those of us who have been at least part way through the process fairly recently (Emmanuel, Gary, others?) to present your recollections of

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread James Carman
I need to have Matt start writing my emails. What he said! ;) I'm too impatient to be so eloquent. On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Matt Benson wrote: > Emmanuel, > IMO this goes beyond the SCM question. Commons releases are painful > (you've just been through the process; do you disagree?)

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread James Carman
Or just a multi-module only and do the worst case scenario. On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: > Le 10/10/2013 17:36, James Carman a écrit : >> This isn't to address Git. This is just in-general a little sandbox >> that folks can use to either test out change to the release

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Le 10/10/2013 17:36, James Carman a écrit : > This isn't to address Git. This is just in-general a little sandbox > that folks can use to either test out change to the release process > (or documentation) or just have a go at being a release manager before > actually volunteering. Anyone would be

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread Matt Benson
Emmanuel, IMO this goes beyond the SCM question. Commons releases are painful (you've just been through the process; do you disagree?) and I submit that this fact is the reason it takes so long for any of us to muster up the courage to commit himself to diving into that process with no real idea

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread James Carman
This isn't to address Git. This is just in-general a little sandbox that folks can use to either test out change to the release process (or documentation) or just have a go at being a release manager before actually volunteering. Anyone would be free to cut a release at any time. On Thu, Oct 10

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Le 10/10/2013 17:24, James Carman a écrit : > Why don't we create a real project that we can cut real releases on to > test our release procedures? Perhaps we can set it up so that it > doesn't sync with central and just gets staged locally. This way, we > can test out changes to the release proc

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread James Carman
Fine with me! I'm good with that. I just was worried folks would think of it as "cluttering" central On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Nice idea, but push it to central to test the whole chain. > > G > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:24 AM, James Carman > wrote: >> Why don'

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread Matt Benson
Once it's properly in Nexus, is there any reason to push all the way to central? Matt On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Nice idea, but push it to central to test the whole chain. > > G > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:24 AM, James Carman > wrote: > > Why don't we create a r

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread Gary Gregory
Nice idea, but push it to central to test the whole chain. G On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:24 AM, James Carman wrote: > Why don't we create a real project that we can cut real releases on to > test our release procedures? Perhaps we can set it up so that it > doesn't sync with central and just get

[DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread James Carman
Why don't we create a real project that we can cut real releases on to test our release procedures? Perhaps we can set it up so that it doesn't sync with central and just gets staged locally. This way, we can test out changes to the release process and see how they work. Also, a new release manag