Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > On 10/08/2011 8:02 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: > > > > Thank you for posting this summary of the Apache way. Yes, it is damn > hard to track contributions, especially if one wishes to do it > accurately and fairly. However, it is possible and even

Re: [math] Monitoring iterative algorithms

2011-08-10 Thread Sébastien Brisard
> > Sounds reasonable to me; though I would personally be fine with > adding some small classes along the lines of what I outlined above > to support events.  They could even be package-scoped if we want to > keep them out of the public API and replace later with more general > constructs used else

[ANNOUNCE] Apache Commons Lang 3.0.1 released

2011-08-10 Thread Henri Yandell
The Apache Commons team is pleased to announce the release of Commons Lang 3.0.1. As the version suggests, this is a drop-in replacement for 3.0. A list of the 9 changes and 6 bug fixes in this release are found in the release notes: https://commons.apache.org/lang/changes-report.html#a3.0.1 F

Re: [math] Monitoring iterative algorithms

2011-08-10 Thread Phil Steitz
On 8/10/11 8:19 PM, Sébastien Brisard wrote: > Hello, > going back to the initial conversation. It seems to me that > formalizing Iterative Algorithms in a general way is very interesting, > but not a realistic target for 3.0 (or probably even 3.1). However, I > would very much like to have a satis

[math] Read-only RealVector

2011-08-10 Thread Sébastien Brisard
Hello, this is an idea I've had while thinking about Iterative Linear Solvers, but I think it is much more general. I don't know whether what I'm going to describe is a known pattern, or a very dirty trick I should forget about. So any advice would be greatly appreciated. For the sake of the argum

Re: [math] Monitoring iterative algorithms

2011-08-10 Thread Sébastien Brisard
Hello, going back to the initial conversation. It seems to me that formalizing Iterative Algorithms in a general way is very interesting, but not a realistic target for 3.0 (or probably even 3.1). However, I would very much like to have a satisfactory working version of linear iterative solvers. I'

[math] Re: SingularValueDecompositionImpl

2011-08-10 Thread Phil Steitz
On 8/10/11 3:51 PM, Greg Sterijevski wrote: > Hello All, > > In the SVD class I notice: > > FastMath.max(m, n) > > all over the place. Since these values are known when the constructor is > called and are final, would anyone object to making the result a private > instance variable? +1 (note chan

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy

2011-08-10 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2011-08-11, Mark Struberg wrote: > Of course they had the most commits over at the codehaus SVN. But they > did not say that 70% of the code did originally come from Apache > Avalon (only found that out after reading Stefan Bodewigs @author tags > and digged deeper). Really? I never contribut

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Mark Struberg
Commits != work I'm currently in the progress of rewriting plexus-utils and other stuff from over at codehaus to be able to use an IP clean version of it for Maven again. This is needed since some folks are throwing dirt and claiming that they did most of the work, yada yada yada... Of course

SingularValueDecompositionImpl

2011-08-10 Thread Greg Sterijevski
Hello All, In the SVD class I notice: FastMath.max(m, n) all over the place. Since these values are known when the constructor is called and are final, would anyone object to making the result a private instance variable? -Greg

Re: [JCS] Deployed Maven2 site

2011-08-10 Thread sebb
On 10 August 2011 21:08, Thomas Vandahl wrote: > Hi folks, > > I finally managed to move the site generation to Maven2. The new site > derives the commons layout. Please check if something is missing. All looks good. Only missing item is a logo for the component. ---

Re: [math] Monitoring iterative algorithms

2011-08-10 Thread Greg Sterijevski
Luc, I think we misunderstood each other, in the snippet below, my intention was to agree with him. Everything Gilles was agreeable and hard to argue against. -Greg > > Luc > > > Not sure what you mean. >> >> >> In my opinion, discussions should serve to solve real problems of a >>> software >

Re: [math] Monitoring iterative algorithms

2011-08-10 Thread Greg Sterijevski
This is very much what I had in mind. The downside is that the committer is saddled with a recurring task. -Greg On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > I have been able to manage some long-lived branches in Zookeeper and Mahout > using git. > > The key was to rebase the branch fre

Re: [lang] Adding a Memoizer class

2011-08-10 Thread Ted Dunning
I would recommend staying with the standard name. Why invent yet another term for a well-known concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoization On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Oliver Heger wrote: > And I would recommend another name. At least for me as non-native speaker > it is hard to ima

Re: [JCS] Deployed Maven2 site

2011-08-10 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hi Thomas, just had a quick look (I'm from the EU mirror) and everything looks good to me! Have a nice day, all the best! Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Thomas Vandahl wrote: > Hi folks, > > I finally managed to move the s

Re: [lang] Adding a Memoizer class

2011-08-10 Thread Gary Gregory
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Oliver Heger wrote: > Am 10.08.2011 01:23, schrieb Gary Gregory: >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Simone Tripodi >>  wrote: >>> >>> Good news! :) >> >> Well... I am having second thoughts now baed on Tim's reply: >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Tim Peier

[JCS] Deployed Maven2 site

2011-08-10 Thread Thomas Vandahl
Hi folks, I finally managed to move the site generation to Maven2. The new site derives the commons layout. Please check if something is missing. Bye, Thomas. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For addi

Re: [lang] Adding a Memoizer class

2011-08-10 Thread Oliver Heger
Am 10.08.2011 01:23, schrieb Gary Gregory: On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote: Good news! :) Well... I am having second thoughts now baed on Tim's reply: On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Tim Peierls wrote: Probably not a good idea to use Memoizer unchanged from the book, t

Re: [PROPOSAL] Commons as TLP for Jakarta BSF ?

2011-08-10 Thread Simone Tripodi
+1 for me as well, sounds BSF perfectly fits Apache Commons community :) All the best, Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Jörg Schaible wrote: > sebb wrote: > >> BSF [1] needs to move out of Jakarta. >> >> It's not really big e

Re: [math] Monitoring iterative algorithms

2011-08-10 Thread Ted Dunning
I have been able to manage some long-lived branches in Zookeeper and Mahout using git. The key was to rebase the branch frequently. That allowed me to spread the complexity of the ultimate merge out into a lot of small decisions, each of which was pretty simple and could be tracked back to a smal

Re: [math] Monitoring iterative algorithms

2011-08-10 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Le 10/08/2011 16:30, Greg Sterijevski a écrit : Gilles, I think we do agree on most points: For very-limited functionality, this could be an option. The big drawback is that, if it takes time to implement, the merge with the "official" branch may not be trivial. [IIUC, Ted suggested that "git"

Re: [PROPOSAL] Commons as TLP for Jakarta BSF ?

2011-08-10 Thread Jörg Schaible
sebb wrote: > BSF [1] needs to move out of Jakarta. > > It's not really big enough to warrant its own TLP. > > It looks like it would be a suitable addition to Commons. > > Any objections, or should I start a vote? > > [1] http://jakarta.apache.org/bsf/ +1 -

Re: [PROPOSAL] Commons as TLP for Jakarta BSF ?

2011-08-10 Thread Gary Gregory
OK by me. Gary On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:51 AM, sebb wrote: > BSF [1] needs to move out of Jakarta. > > It's not really big enough to warrant its own TLP. > > It looks like it would be a suitable addition to Commons. > > Any objections, or should I start a vote? > > [1] http://jakarta.apache.or

Re: [math] Re: Release managing a major version [and Lang 3.0 post mortem]

2011-08-10 Thread Phil Steitz
On 8/10/11 12:48 AM, Jörg Schaible wrote: > Phil Steitz wrote: > >> On 8/9/11 4:05 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: >>> Thanks for the nudge. I'll bite. Of course anyone is welcome to >>> browse the open JIRA issues with 3.0 as fix version and add comments >>> :) >> I started slugging through JIRA. Made i

Re: [math] Monitoring iterative algorithms

2011-08-10 Thread Gilles Sadowski
Hi. > I think we do agree on most points: > > For very-limited functionality, this could be an option. The big drawback > > is that, if it takes time to implement, the merge with the "official" > > branch > > may not be trivial. [IIUC, Ted suggested that "git" was superior to "svn" > > in making

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Ceki Gülcü
On 10/08/2011 3:59 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: "Creating a branch of commons-digester using SLF4J/jul/log4jv2 will not convince anyone." I am sorry, but deciding for other people what they are going to think is no way to go either. Experimenting by branching is leading by example. This is a good o

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Ceki Gülcü
On 10/08/2011 3:47 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: So, why do you want to measure my coding efficiency? Not even my Boss (if I would have one) is allowed to do that! Commit points measure my coding skills probably, not my human skills. Commit points as described in my blog measure the number of

[PROPOSAL] Commons as TLP for Jakarta BSF ?

2011-08-10 Thread sebb
BSF [1] needs to move out of Jakarta. It's not really big enough to warrant its own TLP. It looks like it would be a suitable addition to Commons. Any objections, or should I start a vote? [1] http://jakarta.apache.org/bsf/ -

Re: [math] Monitoring iterative algorithms

2011-08-10 Thread Greg Sterijevski
Gilles, I think we do agree on most points: For very-limited functionality, this could be an option. The big drawback > is that, if it takes time to implement, the merge with the "official" > branch > may not be trivial. [IIUC, Ted suggested that "git" was superior to "svn" > in making this less

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Gary Gregory
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > On 10/08/2011 8:02 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Ceki Gulcu  wrote: >> >>> * On the ASF model >>> >>> In a nutshell, while the ASF is a great organization in many ways, it >>> is not a meritocracy mainly because

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
> Thank you for posting this summary of the Apache way. Yes, it is damn > hard to track contributions, especially if one wishes to do it > accurately and fairly. However, it is possible and even easy to keep > *approximate* track of contributions, e.g. via "commit points" as > described in my commi

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Ceki Gülcü
On 10/08/2011 8:02 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Ceki Gulcu wrote: * On the ASF model In a nutshell, while the ASF is a great organization in many ways, it is not a meritocracy mainly because merit is not measured at all and at the project level no responsiblity is

Re: [math] Monitoring iterative algorithms

2011-08-10 Thread Gilles Sadowski
Hello. > I think you hit the nail on the head with the comment: > > "... but also the time to > experiment. Only the latter will be able to tell if the design is good. > And this must take time so that all the potential pitfalls can be ..." > > Maybe this is chumming the water with more flotsam

[GUMP@vmgump]: Project commons-proxy-test (in module apache-commons) failed

2011-08-10 Thread Gump
To whom it may engage... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at gene...@gump.apache.org. Project commons-proxy-test has an issue affecting its community integration. This

Re: [logging] logging vs slf4j

2011-08-10 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
+1 as well. That's the path I advocated for Configuration 2.0, combined with the log4j bridge from Paul Smith [1] Maybe we should stop spending our energy on alternative logging frameworks and try to improve the standard one in the JDK instead. I have been told that Java was open source now, s

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy

2011-08-10 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2011-08-10, Henri Yandell wrote: > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Ceki Gulcu wrote: >> * On the ASF model >> In a nutshell, while the ASF is a great organization in many ways, it >> is not a meritocracy mainly because merit is not measured at all and >> at the project level no responsiblit

Re: [math] Re: Release managing a major version [and Lang 3.0 post mortem]

2011-08-10 Thread Jörg Schaible
Phil Steitz wrote: > On 8/9/11 4:05 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: >> Thanks for the nudge. I'll bite. Of course anyone is welcome to >> browse the open JIRA issues with 3.0 as fix version and add comments >> :) > > I started slugging through JIRA. Made it all the way through the > unclassified list a

Re: [math] Re: Release managing a major version [and Lang 3.0 post mortem]

2011-08-10 Thread Phil Steitz
On 8/9/11 4:05 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > Thanks for the nudge. I'll bite. Of course anyone is welcome to > browse the open JIRA issues with 3.0 as fix version and add comments > :) I started slugging through JIRA. Made it all the way through the unclassified list and will finish the first pass t