Re: [VOTE] Project governance wiki doc

2020-06-18 Thread Joshua McKenzie
So did you two come to an agreement? I must have misread: changing the minimum number of votes to be a simple > majority of the number of people participating in the roll call. For > example, if we have a roll call of 21, then we'll need a minimum of 11 > binding votes participating. Of that 11,

Re: [VOTE] Project governance wiki doc

2020-06-18 Thread Joshua McKenzie
One follow up thought - if we're considering this vote simple majority, or super majority of participants, it's passing and we can just follow up w/revisions on a subsequent vote. I personally would prefer we go that route; we all need to internalize that moving forward and incrementally revising t

Re: [VOTE] Project governance wiki doc

2020-06-18 Thread Jon Haddad
> If you two could come to an agreement and articulate it / modify the wiki to reflect it, we can review as a community and vote again. Since you started the vote, it would be up to you to stop it so we can modify the doc. I don't feel comfortable modifying a doc mid-vote, it's not fair to those

Re: [VOTE] Project governance wiki doc

2020-06-18 Thread Joshua McKenzie
I'm formally stopping the vote. Jon, please revise the wiki. Good point about getting ourselves stuck into a corner we couldn't vote ourselves back out of. That'd just be silly. On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:19 PM Jon Haddad wrote: > > If you two could come to an agreement and articulate it / modi

Re: [VOTE] Project governance wiki doc

2020-06-18 Thread Benedict Elliott Smith
It does raise the question of how we would conduct a vote immediately afterwards - would the vote floor be temporarily be zero, since we've conducted no roll calls? Perhaps we should indicate in the next vote we call on the rules, that votes will also serve as the initial roll call. Also, we d

Re: [VOTE] Project governance wiki doc

2020-06-18 Thread Jon Haddad
Yes... it is a bit awkward. It's why I was originally in favor of increasing the minimum threshold to 7 & go to super majority. It's more than what we do now, but not so much that I think we'll end up backed into a corner. I didn't do a good job of explaining that though. Might be useful to tak

Re: [VOTE] Project governance wiki doc

2020-06-18 Thread Benedict Elliott Smith
Well, it's only awkward for the very first vote, and it's not clear the 7 votes is any less problematic, as it has no recovery mechanism (whereas roll call at worst waits until the next roll call). Anyway, we had 11 votes on the rules, which would be 6 votes if we take 50%, and 7 if we take 66%

Re: [VOTE] Project governance wiki doc

2020-06-18 Thread Jon Haddad
Fair point. I think using the number of votes here as the first roll call is reasonable. Good suggestion. On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:52 AM Benedict Elliott Smith wrote: > Well, it's only awkward for the very first vote, and it's not clear the 7 > votes is any less problematic, as it has no rec

Re: [VOTE] Project governance wiki doc

2020-06-18 Thread Joshua McKenzie
I've revised the wiki to read: "PMC roll call will be taken every 6 months. This is an email to dev@ w/the simple question to pmc members of “are you active on the project and plan to participate in voting over the next 6 months?”. *This is strictly an exercise to get quorum count and in no way re