On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 09:01:39AM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Because of the way we are structured from an operations point of view or is
> necessary to have s commit bit to be a PMC member. However, that doesn't mean
> one needs to commit code.
>
> A good PMC member looks after the health of
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
> Yet you act like it's volunteer time that's preventing moderating a message
> through in 12 hours.
Here it is again, 12 hours. If we have a 12 hour SLA on moderation,
then you can remove me as a moderator; I can't do that.
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Eric Evans
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek wrote:
> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs. Any other
> committer/PMCs interested?
You are not.
> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
No need to be sorry.
--
Eric Evans
john.eric.ev.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
> So seriously, we're going to send now 4 emails talking about what a user of
> Apache Cassandra and possible community member could have done right or
> better or sooner, or that there is no time limit to moderating shit when it
> could ha
ation members who have never committed a
line of code.
Ross
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From: Jonathan Haddad mailto:j...@jonhaddad.com>>
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Moderation
To: mailto:bo...@apache.org>>,
mailto:dev@cassandra.apac
It was nothing but an expression of my belief that Chris' excuses for his
inappropriate behaviour were wholly inadequate.
This is not an isolated incident; it is a pattern of behaviour, and excuses
do not cut it. Anything less than a wholesale acceptance of
inappropriateness, retraction, and comm
If this is your attempt to accept Chris' explanation, even if
you don't agree with it, then you have not quite succeeded.
If instead, this is your attempt to continue to heap fuel on
a fire, and be just as aggressive as you paint others to be, then
you have done quite well.
I don't expect that ot
PMC member is a committer by default (in the past, we’ve had difficulty
electing a member to the PMC without giving them commit access, so
electing a member to the PMC without granting them commit access is at the
very least nontrivial)
The process is the same for all top level projects - the PMC
I took a look at https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html, and it doesn't seem
to give any guidelines on who should be on the PMC. My assumption has
always been the most active committers become PMC members, but it sounds
like that's not the case on other projects. Is the process to be added to
the PM
In summary: you claim to be someone with years of experience at the
forefront of an organisation that conducts all of its business primarily
over email. In that time you have not learned to express yourself over
email in a manner that is not incendiary to those reading it, nor offensive
to the int
Sorry one typo below:
Where I said:
“The Cassandra MVP comment was also not a diss on you as much as it was me
saying – ideally – I would hope that
the Apache Cassandra MVP people promote the concept of their community leaders
becoming “ASF members”,
and that Cassandra MVPs are great – but seco
For the record, your breakdown of the email trying to decipher what I meant is
not
correct. It’s not your fault, but email doesn’t convey tone, nor do you know
what I am
thinking or what I was trying to say. In fact, I was actually saying the PMC
wasn’t doing its job,
because (as I stated to
I agree with Paul. Same boat, not a PMC / Datastax, just someone that cares
a lot about this community.
On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM paul cannon wrote:
> I'm not a stakeholder here- I don't know Russell, I don't work for
> Datastax, and I'm not a member of the ASF.
>
> For what little it's prob
I'm not a stakeholder here- I don't know Russell, I don't work for
Datastax, and I'm not a member of the ASF.
For what little it's probably worth since I haven't "been elected to have a
binding voice within the project", Russell's is exactly how I read the
message from Chris Mattmann. Whether or n
For the record, I never said anyone was attempting to make me “look bad”. I
simply stated that his method of argument was to discredit me. Below I will
break down his response, as I see it, and as others who have messaged me off
list see it as well:
“… You see I’ve been around since 2004 and
Russel, I don't read that out of Chris' answer.
He just tried to show how community development might look like if done a bit
more openly.
Do you mind going back to Chris' original reply and re-read it again?
I've not interpreted it as anyone trying to make you look bad. Au contraire!
txs and L
Reading this, all I can think of is this:
http://time.com/money/4436630/donald-trump-career-advice-apologies/
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
> Hi Russ,
>
> Sorry that you feel that way. I’m happy to be the villain when it comes to
> protecting
> those same ideals you cite
Sigh - sorry about breaking threading, the In-Reply-To header apparently
didn't get set when using "reply via your own mail client" from
lists.a.o. Luckily, it runs code from the Apache Pony Mail podling, so
hopefully we can fix it ourselves!
- Shane
It seems that your tactic of argument is to discredit me at every level in
order to show your superiority of sorts. Let me set this straight, I am not
attempting to say that I am an authority on ASF or that I know how things
should be run. I also was not attempting to vilify you in front of th
Hi Russ,
Sorry that you feel that way. I’m happy to be the villain when it comes to
protecting
those same ideals you cite regarding Apache in your below thread. You see I’ve
been
around since 2004 and elected by the membership to the Board for the last three
years
based on merit, and contributi
On 2016-11-04 14:52 (-0400), Jeff Beck wrote:
> Is there an easy place to get up to speed on all the ASF terms?
> Infra Karma, apmail, etc... I feel behind on understanding what is
> being talked about here.
Sure. Jake sent the glossary, but there are some other good starting
points to learn abo
- ... we are arguing whether to f'ing moderate it through. Wow. Great
job.
- Do you think it's healthy to send emails trying to talk shit instead
of ...
- ... project? Or is Twitter the official list now? Go ahead, I'll wait.
Given your behavior and rhetoric on this thread, I belie
Hey Jeff
This link should help a little
http://apache.org/foundation/glossary.html
-Jake
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Beck wrote:
> Is there an easy place to get up to speed on all the ASF terms? Infra
> Karma, apmail, etc... I feel behind on understanding what is being talked
> about
Is there an easy place to get up to speed on all the ASF terms? Infra
Karma, apmail, etc... I feel behind on understanding what is being talked
about here.
Jeff
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:31 PM Michael Kjellman <
mkjell...@internalcircle.com> wrote:
> Thank you Chris.
>
> I have just replied to h
Thank you Chris.
I have just replied to her email myself.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
>
> I'm sorry that you feel I'm promoting the arguing. The point of this thread
> was a simple request - moderate the email. I suspected that there weren't
> en
I'm sorry that you feel I'm promoting the arguing. The point of this thread was
a simple request - moderate the email. I suspected that there weren't enough
moderators but didn't spend the time to check. Honestly this is the Apache
Cassandra PMC's job to maintain a healthy set of moderators, ide
Mark Thomas got it done ✅
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Jason Brown wrote:
>
> s/sis/is
>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Jason Brown wrote:
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Yes, I would like to be added, and here sis the ticket I filed:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/
@Chris: instead of promoting the arguing going on on this thread could you
please help lead by example and reply to Kelly's questions in her email?
Thanks.
I don't enjoy watching a community I care about continue to explode in front of
my eyes ☹️
best,
kjellman
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov
s/sis/is
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Jason Brown wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Yes, I would like to be added, and here sis the ticket I filed:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12858.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Jason
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Mattmann
> wrote:
>
>> I have apmail k
Chris,
Yes, I would like to be added, and here sis the ticket I filed:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12858.
Thanks,
-Jason
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
> I have apmail karma and can add moderators.
>
> Jason I can add you - please confirm you would like
I have apmail karma and can add moderators.
Jason I can add you - please confirm you would like to be added. Did you file
the ticket - if so point me to it. If you haven't yet, no worries I can still
add you. Let me know. Thanks.
On 2016-11-04 09:54 (-0700), Jason Brown wrote:
> Gary,
>
> I
Gary,
I've just started looking into the moderator component due to this thread;
I admit I did not know about it before (my fault). Yes, I would like to be
added. Apparently, I need to file an INFRA ticket (as per
https://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mailing-list-moderators), which
I will do
I'm not a PMC, and given everything that's happened recently, I no longer
have any desire to be.
I have nothing against improving the moderator situation. What I have, and
continue to have, is something against the way you and the board go about
things.
On 4 November 2016 at 16:57, Chris Mattman
I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs. Any other
committer/PMCs interested?
Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
Gary.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra
On 2016-11-04 09:51 (-0700), Benedict Elliott Smith
wrote:
> Wow, that was quite the aggressive email. The thing is, it very much looks
> like the only reason you care about this delay is because Kellabyte is
> making the ASF board look bad on twitter. If it weren't the case, it seems
> unlik
Wow, that was quite the aggressive email. The thing is, it very much looks
like the only reason you care about this delay is because Kellabyte is
making the ASF board look bad on twitter. If it weren't the case, it seems
unlikely such a "slow" 12hr response would receive board notice, let alone
ir
So seriously, we're going to send now 4 emails talking about what a user of
Apache Cassandra and possible community member could have done right or better
or sooner, or that there is no time limit to moderating shit when it could have
been as simple as literally sending a confirmation email to m
Is the message in moderation because
1) it was sent by someone not registered with the list
2) some other reason (anti-spam etc)
If it is is case 1: Isn't the correct process to inform and encourage
someone list properly?
If it is case 2: Is there an expected ETA for list moderation events?
(proba
Hmm. Not excessive but you have a situation where someone is tweeting thinking
her message didn't go through and conversation is happening there when that
same conversation could be had on list. If you are ok with that continuing to
happen then great but I am not. Can someone please moderate the
On 04/11/2016 15:47, Chris Mattmann wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to figure out if
> it's in moderation.
>
> Can the moderators speak up?
Using my infra karma, I checked the mail server. That message is waiting
for moderator approval. It has
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