Re: [DISCUSS] Add subscription mangement instructions to user@, dev@ message footers

2024-01-22 Thread Bowen Song via dev
Google Group works slightly differently. They "forward" emails using the group's email address as the "From" address, not the original sender's email address, unless the sender address happen to be a Google mail address (including Gmail and others). Technically speaking, that's not forwarding,

Re: [DISCUSS] Add subscription mangement instructions to user@, dev@ message footers

2024-01-22 Thread C. Scott Andreas
Bowen and Jeremiah, thanks for remembering this. I'd remembered the DKIM/SPF issue, but not its relationship to the message footer - appreciate your work fixing that, Bowen. I'm part of a few Google Groups that relay messages with an appended footer that don't seem to encounter invalidation, but

Re: [DISCUSS] Add subscription mangement instructions to user@, dev@ message footers

2024-01-22 Thread Brandon Williams
That's right, I'd forgotten about this. I change my +1 to -1, there's not enough value in this to break signatures. Kind Regards, Brandon On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:42 PM Jeremiah Jordan wrote: > Here was the thread where it was removed: > lists.apache.org >

Re: [DISCUSS] Add subscription mangement instructions to user@, dev@ message footers

2024-01-22 Thread Bowen Song via dev
Adding a footer or modifying the email content in any way will break the DKIM signature of the email if it has one. Since the mailing list's mail server will forward the emails to the recipients, the SPF check will fail too. Failing the DKIM signature & SPF check will result in the email likely

Re: [DISCUSS] Add subscription mangement instructions to user@, dev@ message footers

2024-01-22 Thread Jeremiah Jordan
Here was the thread where it was removed:lists.apache.orgOn Jan 22, 2024, at 12:37 PM, J. D. Jordan wrote:I think we used to have this and removed them because it was breaking the encryption signature on messages or something which meant they were very likely to be treated as spam?Not saying we c

Re: [DISCUSS] Add subscription mangement instructions to user@, dev@ message footers

2024-01-22 Thread J. D. Jordan
I think we used to have this and removed them because it was breaking the encryption signature on messages or something which meant they were very likely to be treated as spam? Not saying we can’t put it back on, but it was removed for good reasons from what I recall. > On Jan 22, 2024, at 12:

Re: [DISCUSS] Add subscription mangement instructions to user@, dev@ message footers

2024-01-22 Thread Brandon Williams
+1 Kind Regards, Brandon On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:10 PM C. Scott Andreas wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'd like to propose appending the following two footers to messages sent to > the user@ and dev@ lists. The proposed postscript including line breaks is > between the "X" blocks below. > > Use