Bug#729203: ~ Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:30:26PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 02:25:18PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > How do you plan to address the DSA veto against having both sources in > > the archive? > > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00668.html > > I

Bug#729203: ~ Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 02:25:18PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > How do you plan to address the DSA veto against having both sources in > the archive? > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00668.html I did not intepret that message as a DSA veto. But, with regards making sure the

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 01:15:34PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >... > So, I fully support packaging ffmpeg as a binary package for the command > line client at the very least, and perhaps as a necessary first step. >... > I suspect that the animosity I've read in this thread from people > toward

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Rogério, thanks for looking into resolving this situation. I haven't read every last mail in the history of this issue and recently have confined myself to just this bug. There's obviously a detailed history and a lot of animosity. I'd say first and foremost, I miss ffmpeg most as a command-li

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-04 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 07:13:57PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > On 2014-02-03 18:21:34, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 05:58:48PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: >... > >> One of the proposals on the table is to bring back ffmpeg, at least as a > >> program, possibly as a library.

Bug#729203: Fwd: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-04 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 04:15:07PM -0800, Timothy Gu wrote: >... > > On Feb 3, 2014 3:39 PM, "Jan Larres" wrote: > > > > > > On 04/02/14 12:08, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > > > > If both packages are ABI-compatible, then ffmpeg can be designed as a > > > > drop-in replacement for libav and users will

Bug#729203: Fwd: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-04 Thread Adrian Bunk
> On Feb 3, 2014 3:24 PM, "Adrian Bunk" wrote: > > > That is a mess, and would have to be sorted out by the Debian libav and > > ffmpeg maintainers before such an upload could happen. > > Agreed. But not exactly sure whether pkg-multimedia would want to > collaborate... Considering the history

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-04 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 10:59:50AM +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 03/02/2014 23:25, Adrian Bunk wrote: >... > I guess lots of the confusion (at least from a users' point of view) > comes from the fact that the description of the ffmpeg package > states: > > " Libav is a complete, cross-platform

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-04 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
On 03/02/2014 23:25, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 04:32:49PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: On 2014-02-03 16:22:38, Adrian Bunk wrote: ... But if someone wants, as Lorenzo suggested, an "apt-get install ffmpeg" to magically switch all applications like VLC from using libav to ffmpe

Bug#729203: Fwd: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Timothy Gu
Sorry, forgot to CC bug tracker... -- Forwarded message -- From: "Timothy Gu" Date: Feb 3, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions To: "Adrian Bunk" Cc: On Feb 3, 2014 3:24 PM, "Adrian Bunk" wrote: > That is a mess

Bug#729203: Fwd: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Timothy Gu
Sorry, forgot to CC bug tracker... -- Forwarded message -- From: "Timothy Gu" Date: Feb 3, 2014 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions To: "Jan Larres" Cc: > > On Feb 3, 2014 3:39 PM, "Jan Larres" wrote: > > &g

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2014-02-03 18:21:34, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 05:58:48PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: >> On 2014-02-03 17:25:40, Adrian Bunk wrote: >>... > Since the original intention of this RFP that you were referring to > listed chromium, that implies that you were saying that chromium

Bug#729203: Fwd: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Timothy Gu
Sorry, forgot to CC bug tracker... -- Forwarded message -- From: "Timothy Gu" Date: Feb 3, 2014 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions To: "Antoine Beaupré" Cc: On Feb 3, 2014 3:12 PM, "Antoine Beaupré" wrote: > > O

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Jan Larres
On 04/02/14 12:08, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > If both packages are ABI-compatible, then ffmpeg can be designed as a > drop-in replacement for libav and users will be free to choose. As far as I understand it the problem is that it is *not* a drop-in replacement as far as the libraries are concerned,

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 05:58:48PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > On 2014-02-03 17:25:40, Adrian Bunk wrote: >... > >> Then maybe this RFP can focus on providing the ffmpeg binary again and > >> not necessarily get into replacing libav altogether, which I think was > >> the original intention here

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2014-02-03 17:58:48, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > I see there was one email about ffmpeg on the mailing list > about a month ago, without any response, but that's all... I was talking about the deprecated debian-multimedia, my bad. A. -- The Net treats censorship as damage and routes around it.

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2014-02-03 17:13:43, Rogério Brito wrote: >> Rogério, I would suggest you go ahead with the packaging and an upload, >> don't let the flames fan your enthousiasm. > > Thanks for the encouragement, Antoine. I am mostly paralized with this > situation and I don't really know how to proceed. I thin

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2014-02-03 17:25:40, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Before what you quote he said in the same email: > Agree with many on at least providing the *option* for users to have > the original ffmpeg instead of libav > > There is no libav program, and he is clearly talking about the libraries. I assumed l

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 08:13:43PM -0200, Rogério Brito wrote: >... > > Rogério, I would suggest you go ahead with the packaging and an upload, > > don't let the flames fan your enthousiasm. > > Thanks for the encouragement, Antoine. I am mostly paralized with this > situation and I don't really k

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 04:32:49PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > On 2014-02-03 16:22:38, Adrian Bunk wrote: >... > > But if someone wants, as Lorenzo suggested, an "apt-get install ffmpeg" > > to magically switch all applications like VLC from using libav to > > ffmpeg, then one of the requirem

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Rogério Brito
First of all, thank you very much for CC'ing me, as I am not receiving things from this bug report (despite having tried to subscribe to the bug). On Feb 03 2014, anarcat wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:52:06 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > It is a misconception that making this optional would be a

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2014-02-03 16:22:38, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 12:48:45PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: >> On 2014-02-03 12:18:45, Adrian Bunk wrote: >> > Can you clarify whether you are sincerely asking for clarification, or >> > whether that would be pointless since you've anyway already d

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 12:48:45PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > On 2014-02-03 12:18:45, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Can you clarify whether you are sincerely asking for clarification, or > > whether that would be pointless since you've anyway already decided that > > everything I write are "flames"

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2014-02-03 12:18:45, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Can you clarify whether you are sincerely asking for clarification, or > whether that would be pointless since you've anyway already decided that > everything I write are "flames" and anything I'll answer you'll only use > for further attacks against

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 10:33:17AM -0500, anarcat wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:52:06 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 08:17:45AM +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > > > Agree with many on at least providing the *option* for users to have > > > the original ffmpeg instead of libav

Bug#729203: CTTE and reasonable solutions

2014-02-03 Thread anarcat
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:52:06 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 08:17:45AM +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > > Agree with many on at least providing the *option* for users to have > > the original ffmpeg instead of libav and using sensible clear names > > and descriptions for both pac