Re: Avoiding SystemD isn't hard

2014-10-21 Thread tor...@riseup.net
Liam Proven: > A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter > futility of the fork and more besides, clearly and simply. > http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html At least in Sid libsystemd0 is a dependency of the essential package bsdutils https://package

Re: Re: just a thought (re. systemd nonsense)

2014-10-22 Thread tor...@riseup.net
Doug wrote: >On 10/21/2014 08:12 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: >> It occurs to me that the whole notion of packaging and distros may be >> becoming less and less relevant. > Well if everybody is forced to use systemd you'll be right. All the >distros will _have_ to be the same. Maybe the packaging wi

Re: Re: Keep using Debian without GNOME and SystemD

2014-10-26 Thread tor...@riseup.net
Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis: >> >> after spending two days trying unsuccesfuly to have a usable Jessie >> with one of the defaults DE and with no systemd utilities, i decided >> the following. In the companie's pc's i support, i'll continue with >> Wheezy and if there is no a clear path to Jess

Re: Check whether an update for a particular package is available without upgrading

2014-10-26 Thread tor...@riseup.net
> On a Wheezy system, I have used aptitude exclusively for > updates/upgrades, etc. Looking for a command line option to use with > aptitude to check whether updates are available for a single arbitrary > package, e.g. "debian-reference-en" for example. > Have searched the WWW and man pages wit

Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-09 Thread tor...@riseup.net
Hendrik Boom wrote: > I just encountered a link about refracta. > Refracta would appear to be rather close to Debian testing. Its home > page is http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/ >At http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=118319 it is >described >as (for testing, without libsystemd0, i

Re: Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-10 Thread tor...@riseup.net
John Hasler writes: >tornow writes: >> I am not a big fan of such workarounds. It doesn't seem to make sense > >to work against Debian all the time. If one doesn't want systemd, > >then > >the solution is to leave. I mean: If you use Debian, then you use it > >cause it is rock solid, aka stable.

Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-10 Thread tor...@riseup.net
And you really think making another thread about the subject is the right way to "stop" the discussions about systemd? You couldn't have said that in one of the existing threads? You missed the option to invest the energy in distributions which don't use systemd. People are angry, disappointed,

Re: Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-10 Thread tor...@riseup.net
>You know, it is still possible that the installer team will fix bug >#668001, systemd-shim will stabilize, and it will remain possible in >some future release of Jessie, to build and run a Jessie system >without systemd taking over one's system. Or maybe folks will come to >their senses for Jessie

Re: Re: Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread tor...@riseup.net
>On Ma, 11 nov 14, 03:15:12, tor...@riseup.net wrote: >> >>"I don't want to use systemd, what are my options" inside of a debian >> communication channel makes sense to me (assuming one has been a >> Debian user in the past). >https://wiki.debian.org

Re: Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread tor...@riseup.net
Jonathan Dowland wrote: >Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> No, not necessarily. For maony, it means that Debian Linux is dying >> and will soon be dead -- or rather, no longer relevant. I just hope >> that the alternative in FreeBSD works out. >I encourage you to find out sooner, rather than later, b

Re: Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread tor...@riseup.net
Miles Fidelman wrote: > Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state of > alternatives. After 6 years of using Debian, which was pretty much the only OS i ever used, Gentoo is a good systemd-free alternative for me. Slightly less comfortable, but a helpful community makes it

Re: Re: Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread tor...@riseup.net
>Don't forget, I am also a user. If I felt the project no longer >represented >my interests, I would leave. I would not waste my time or the >project's >by continuing to complain about what might have been. That sure makes sense. But there might be people who a) are very emotional about Debian a

Re: download old ISO

2013-05-10 Thread tor...@riseup.net
On Sat, 11 May 2013 01:04:27 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > how can i download old ISO of debian.and please tell me where should i > point debian squeeze repository, i need the path. > > Thanks > MYK hi, old debian releases are to be found here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive si

Re: Programs for direct friend-to-friend file transfer?

2012-06-08 Thread tor...@riseup.net
On Jun 2, 2012 7:51 AM, "Aubrey Raech" wrote: > Any and all advice/recommendations are appreciated! You could have a look at retroshare and tonido. Both are not in Debian repositories. signature.asc Description: PGP signature