chgrp with user

2016-12-22 Thread Xen
I am trying to get a webserver to run under my regular user, or at least to have the website's files under control of my regular user, but the webserver runs as www-data. But it seems I cannot do chgrp as a user. Is there any way to achieve this? I mean I could add my user's group to the www-

Re: chgrp with user

2016-12-22 Thread Xen
deloptes schreef op 23-12-2016 0:40: perhaps you want to chown your-user.www-data /path or something like php5 -S : Run with built-in web server. Give up the bad ideas, seriously! I think my point was more that I didn't know how to chgrp, but I found I needed to add myself to www-data firs

Re: chgrp with user

2016-12-22 Thread Xen
Dan Ritter schreef op 22-12-2016 20:04: On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 06:24:59PM +0100, Xen wrote: I am trying to get a webserver to run under my regular user, or at least to have the website's files under control of my regular user, but the webserver runs as www-data. But it seems I cann

Re: chgrp with user

2016-12-27 Thread Xen
Greg Wooledge schreef op 23-12-2016 14:07: On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 01:17:23AM +0100, Xen wrote: Life becomes a whole lot easier if you can do stuff with your regular user, which is why I am putting stuff in my user home directory in the first place, instead of some central location. Making

Re: chgrp with user

2016-12-27 Thread Xen
Nicolas George schreef op 23-12-2016 9:32: Le tridi 3 nivôse, an CCXXV, Xen a écrit : I think my point was more that I didn't know how to chgrp, but I found I needed to add myself to www-data first before I could chgrp to it. Just a basic sanity check: If your web server is running a

Re: Sub interface not working in Debian 8

2016-12-27 Thread Xen
Muhammad Yousuf Khan schreef op 27-12-2016 12:22: can you guys please guide what is going on . in old Debian version i do this with no problem sub interfaces were very easy task. but here i invest the whole day. I must say I have run into many problems on my own machine but never this one.

Re: Sub interface not working in Debian 8

2016-12-27 Thread Xen
Muhammad Yousuf Khan schreef op 27-12-2016 13:58: I didnt route anything as default gateway was already there. can you please explain your routes more. i didnt get the context of that routes you define. Nothing special there, if you use the same gateway it won't be needed. I just have a 2nd IP

Re: chgrp with user

2016-12-27 Thread Xen
Gene Heskett schreef op 27-12-2016 15:51: Since they create lost of files those programs typically create those files as the user the webserver is running as, which would typically be www-data. Sometimes you want to be able those files directly as a user outside of the application (which is typi

Re: Sub interface not working in Debian 8

2016-12-27 Thread Xen
Muhammad Yousuf Khan schreef op 27-12-2016 15:15: Thanks this is what i already did and i was about to send you guys the details and fortunately your msg comes in. tcpdump is telling me very interesting story. when i 'tcpdump -i eth3 icmp' it shows all the ping packet that are received for ip 50.

Re: chgrp with user

2016-12-27 Thread Xen
deloptes schreef op 27-12-2016 21:05: You are an i**ot I would immediately fire. Start reading the interfaces and using the programs as designed. If you want to do things your own way I do not want to know about it. Nobody asked you about it. You should stop feeling addressed as if you were

Re: chgrp with user

2016-12-27 Thread Xen
Greg Wooledge schreef op 27-12-2016 22:44: On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:43:19PM +0100, Xen wrote: Wrong does not exist. Irony. It is perfectly acceptable to do things a different way. It is also perfectly clear that many tools such as Dokuwiki do not provide the tools that perhaps Mediawiki

Re: chgrp with user

2016-12-27 Thread Xen
Xen schreef op 27-12-2016 22:54: What I do works and provides a solution. What you do is complain and you do not provide anything, save for yourself, but I am not helped with that, nor is anyone else if you complain like that. Now enough. Lost my temper there, Winston would say. Yes, I play

Re: Sub interface not working in Debian 8

2016-12-28 Thread Xen
Muhammad Yousuf Khan schreef op 28-12-2016 8:10: Thanks issue is resolved. as i mentioned tcpdump command not receving packets from ISP gateway. thus we discussed this matter with ISP and the restarted the router. and things got fixed. it seems that ISP router keeps the old MAC entries thats why

Re: chgrp with user

2016-12-28 Thread Xen
Xen schreef op 27-12-2016 23:13: Lost my temper there, Winston would say. Yes, I play video games too. What's the problem with that? You have a problem with that too? :). Also still want to add, If I may. That even Mediawiki probably doesn't provide all the tools you'd need

Re: OT?: FAT32(/16?) Question: Max. files in top level

2016-12-28 Thread Xen
do...@mail.com schreef op 26-12-2016 3:41: I encountered this many times on windowz FAT32 in a non-root dir, but never on Linux. I suspect that it was/is one of their "Features". The said "Feature" still was there when using ntfs in XP if I remember correctly. Perhaps it's just because Windows

Re: chgrp with user

2016-12-29 Thread Xen
deloptes schreef op 28-12-2016 20:17: Xen wrote: Xen schreef op 27-12-2016 23:13: Lost my temper there, Winston would say. Yes, I play video games too. What's the problem with that? You have a problem with that too? :). Also still want to add, If I may. No need to be so sensiti

Re: Pendrive computer

2016-12-29 Thread Xen
Lisi Reisz schreef op 29-12-2016 13:58: On Thursday 29 December 2016 02:31:49 Richard Owlett wrote: On 12/28/2016 4:07 PM, Joe wrote: > On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:20:06 -0600 > > Richard Owlett wrote: >> Raspberry (sp?) Pi's have the compute power. But their form >> factor is terminally CLUNKY.

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2016-12-29 Thread Xen
cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz schreef op 29-12-2016 14:44: [sorry for the late response.] On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 11:05:48AM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: It is not easy to describe a program with many use cases and even more particular settings and actions. What lacks to my experience as confused

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2016-12-29 Thread Xen
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 11:05:48AM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: What lacks to my experience as confused reader and as best effort writer is the user's view on the programs. man pages should document the details and often do sufficiently. But the user looks for solutions, not opportunities.

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

2016-12-29 Thread Xen
Greg Wooledge schreef op 29-12-2016 16:59: On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 09:53:28AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: I added these two lines to /etc/fstab: /dev/sda7 /media/sda7 ext2users,rw 0 0 /dev/sda8 /media/sda8 ext2users,rw 0 0 All users can mount and

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2016-12-29 Thread Xen
Catherine Gramze schreef op 29-12-2016 19:31: On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Xen wrote: But if you are going to say the purpose of a man page is to be a complete reference guide unto its options, then you will write dirt poor man pages. That is all I can say here ​. ​But that is

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2016-12-29 Thread Xen
Catherine Gramze schreef op 29-12-2016 19:31: On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Xen wrote: But if you are going to say the purpose of a man page is to be a complete reference guide unto its options, then you will write dirt poor man pages. That is all I can say here ​. ​But that is

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2016-12-29 Thread Xen
Re Lisi: "No. The problem here is that the overlap between highly competent technical people (who find tech fun) and people who love writing, and find writing fun, is so small. I personally know one, and he is not a developer. Developers love developing. Writers love writing. Neither re

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2016-12-29 Thread Xen
Catherine Gramze schreef op 29-12-2016 19:47: On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Xen wrote: More importantly the man system or man format does not preclude such documents being written as tutorials so basically it is being done all around. So your assertion here does not really have a basis in

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2016-12-30 Thread Xen
rhkra...@gmail.com schreef op 30-12-2016 3:23: My suggestion is you spend less time discussing it, and get started on writing a few bman pages... So your suggestion is to start using a system that doesn't exist and instead of having discussion about how this system should be designed, you a

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2016-12-30 Thread Xen
Lisi Reisz schreef op 30-12-2016 3:31: On Friday 30 December 2016 01:37:53 Xen wrote: Re Lisi: You clearly find wittering on yourself more fun than actually reading what other people have written. You have actually quoted my precise words, then accused me in your paraphrase of having said

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2016-12-30 Thread Xen
Catherine Gramze schreef op 30-12-2016 4:32: ​Ad hominem attacks now, Xen, since you cannot refute the simple fact that man pages were designed to be a reference, not a tutorial?​ If the topic is attitudes, then those belong to people don't they? You'll need examples, won't y

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2016-12-31 Thread Xen
You know, at risk of contradicting myself here. rhkra...@gmail.com schreef op 30-12-2016 3:23: There is noting magic about man pages--what I'm trying to say is that, someone could start writing something similar to man pages, with all the detail or introductory / explanatory material you (they)

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation?

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
Thomas Schmitt schreef op 31-12-2016 11:59: Well, "info" is the pet of GNU and thus often better documentation for GNU tools than their "man" pages. The goal and viewpoint is nevertheless the same: Technical documentation of programs, not tutorial. I personally also cannot use "info". I have

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
rhkra...@gmail.com schreef op 31-12-2016 15:12: But, info pages could work. Yes, let's propose that. They are just impossible to navigate if you are not an insider. The fact that pretty much no one uses them is not a red herring at all.

Re: OT?: FAT32(/16?) Question: Max. files in top level

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
to...@tuxteam.de schreef op 31-12-2016 10:35: On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 07:38:18AM +0100, Xen wrote: do...@mail.com schreef op 26-12-2016 3:41: >I encountered this many times on windowz FAT32 in a non-root dir, but >never on Linux. I suspect that it was/is one of their "Features&

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
Lisi Reisz schreef op 31-12-2016 10:30: Which make me bad at writing? Lisi Refusing to write good documentation on purpose.

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
Lisi Reisz schreef op 31-12-2016 10:37: On Saturday 31 December 2016 08:48:09 Xen wrote: Oh and yes, mentioning someone else's behaviour to another person is not an ad hominem attack Catherine. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ad+homonem&oq=ad+homonem&aqs=chrome..69i57.3014

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
Lisi Reisz schreef op 31-12-2016 10:37: Yes, I know, I am not good at it. That makes you insincere as well because you do not even agree with what you say, you do not even agree with your own wisdom. You do one thing and say another, which makes me feel you realize *deep down* that I am act

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
Lisi Reisz schreef op 01-01-2017 13:00: On Sunday 01 January 2017 11:52:20 Xen wrote: Lisi Reisz schreef op 31-12-2016 10:30: > Which make me bad at writing? > > Lisi Refusing to write good documentation on purpose. "%(&_++**!& And what is that supposed to mean? You

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
Xen schreef op 01-01-2017 13:18: "and that you wanted your specific solution laid out for you in the man page instead of figuring it out yourself" and "should abandon the noob mindset". Those are just insults to begin with and they ARE ad hominems in actual fact.

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
deloptes schreef op 01-01-2017 14:09: Xen wrote: And what is that supposed to mean? You are really acting like a child now. LOL - she makes fun of you - you just have to stop. I am not reading your comments any more - there is no value in them. She was not making fun of me. She was just

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation?

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
Thomas Schmitt schreef op 01-01-2017 14:10: From the viewpoint of "info" programmers it is obvious that you first have to learn how to use it before you can draw benefit from it. But the particular user has a particular need to get information about a particular complex of problems. No interes

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation?

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
Eike Lantzsch schreef op 01-01-2017 17:58: Interestingly enough the motto of 33. Chaos Communication Congress in Hamburg was: "Works for me". They aimed at getting programmers out of their lethargy because their software not only has to "work for them" but also for everybody else. An interest

Lisi's killfile

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
Lisi thought she had to go through the effort of personally telling me she has used some Exim killfile or something of the kind to give my emails special treatment, but maybe she just uses Gmail for that, I don't know. I guess that means I get to say things about her that she won't hear. Grea

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2017-01-01 Thread Xen
deloptes schreef op 01-01-2017 14:09: Xen wrote: And what is that supposed to mean? You are really acting like a child now. LOL - she makes fun of you - you just have to stop. I am not reading your comments any more - there is no value in them. One last thing before I unsubscribe again

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation?

2017-01-03 Thread Xen
I am not subscribed and I don't actually have an email reader that can respond to mailto: links, but... Xen wrote: [...]; call it the Linux Support Arena, or the Linux Support Agenda even, people on the side take on the customer support role of filtering. They act like they try to ge

bash shell

2000-10-05 Thread XEN O
I am currently running a red hat derivative linux and an looking to change to debian (as reports speak highly of it). However, it seems from looking at the list of shells packaged with debian it does not come with the bash shell - it this right ?? If this is not the correct place to ask this q