Firewall install hangs?

2003-03-03 Thread Hal
I've been running a hobbled version of a commercial firewall package on an old 486/66 (w dual nics) and I'm tried to get stable installed on it as a replacement firewall. The installation is floppy based and seems to go fine until the base system install. It then seems to hang on: "valid

exim & iptables

2003-03-08 Thread Hal
I'm using Woody as a firewall with NAT to protect a small network that includes a mail and web server on an unregistered (192.168) network. I'd like to configure the fw so that it can send mail alerts to the users via the mail server on the protected net. If I set exim.conf to preclude a

Re: exim & iptables

2003-03-10 Thread Hal
On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 02:48 AM, Vineet Kumar wrote: * Hal Klingsporn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20030309 06:26 PST]: On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 09:58 PM, Gary Turner wrote: Hal wrote: I'm using Woody as a firewall with NAT to protect a small network that includes a mail and we

Re: Iptables is driving me nuts (beginner)

2003-03-11 Thread Hal
On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 02:21 AM, Mike Egglestone wrote: Quoting n/a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hello there, For the past couple of days i've been looking into setting up an old pc as a firewall/router for a couple of students. To do so i enabled iptables and started looking into configuratio

floppy install problem

2002-08-31 Thread Hal
I have a debian potato box on which I have decided to do a fresh install of woody rather than an upgrade (I am turning a former wksta into a server and don't need 60% of the packages now on it). The floppy I am using was previously used for another installation and worked well. The problem is

Re: mail server with ldap authentication

2002-09-09 Thread Hal
What you describe is just what I'm starting to set up but with exim in place of sendmail. Can you point to any documentation or configuration information that will help. TIA. On Wednesday, September 4, 2002, at 03:48 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote: > I've been using Sendmail, OpenLDAP and an

Help! Can not initdb first time!

1998-03-19 Thread hal
l/lib and added the bin paths to my own. This, again, as stated in the install. But there is no data directory under /usr/local/pgsql. I'm lost. Has anyone seen this before. Please tell me the dumb mistake I am making. any help would be greatly appreached. hal

color in console (was: Colored ls output)

1997-08-07 Thread hal
Hi I have a question about color on Virtual consoles. Slackware was defaulted to color but I can't find it in 3.1. Is it in termcap? My term echos as 'linux' I get no color from ls or minicom. thanks in advance hal +++ Codea, Compilea, Coredumea +++ I coded

What is CD 2?

1997-08-07 Thread hal
I am a bit confused as to why Debian is two CDs. I tried to use dselect on CD 2 but could not find directories asked for by dselect. Also packages, like PGP are missing. I looked in the FAQ and the INSTALL. Where is this documented please. thanks hal +++ Codea, Compilea, Coredumea

raid software troubles (long)

2006-12-26 Thread Hal
Hi, many days ago my Debian server stopped working because one hard disk broke down. So I attached a new disk and rebuilded the array successfully. The server came back up online and I decided to make a reboot. During bootup phase, the shell returned this message and the process stopped, suggesti

Re: raid software troubles (long)

2006-12-27 Thread Hal
41 active sync /dev/sdb8 0 0 880 active sync /dev/sda8 1 1 8 241 active sync /dev/sdb8 Again, UUID are equal ... but not the same as the ones in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf I must modify my actual mdadm.conf,changin

Re: Etch/raid/lvm2

2006-12-27 Thread Hal
Chris Searle wrote: 2) I read in the wiki/bts that grub doesn't like booting from a raid partition - but that lilo is OK. How does this work - say hda dies - how does the boot loader get found? I had this problem many days ago: one disk in my raid 1 array failed. I had to install grub by hand u

Re: raid software troubles (long)

2006-12-28 Thread Hal
martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Hal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.12.27.2120 +0100]: I didn't tried modifying that file, because I didn't want to get into troubles. ;-) Make a backup and try using /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf once the system is up and running the way you like it to

Re: raid software troubles (long)

2006-12-28 Thread Hal
Now I'm doing some tests with another server that uses raid software (mdadm - v2.5.2) I am able to stop an array and bring it back with: tux:~# mdadm --misc -S /dev/md0 --> stop the array mdadm: stopped /dev/md0 tux:~# mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 --> restart the array mdadm: /dev/md0 has been st

Re: raid software troubles (long)

2006-12-28 Thread Hal
Hal wrote: In my server: srv:/var/log# mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md2 I am drunk O-o the command is: #:/var/log# mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/sda6 /dev/sdb6 mdadm: /dev/md2 has been started with 2 drives. And, as you can see, It works... -- To

Re: raid software troubles (long)

2006-12-28 Thread Hal
Hal wrote: So I make my silly question: -_- !! Is it possible that "some init.d script" in the boot process launch the command "fsck.ext3 ..." automatically BEFORE array run, causing the startup error ?? Maybe it wasn't a silly question and raid system was fu

Re: fglrx drivers: screen flickers

2007-01-04 Thread Hal
Inko IA wrote: [...] Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection I also had a problem with dri... I solved typing this before "Section "DRI" Section "Extensions" Option"Composite" "Disable" EndSection bye, Hal -- To

Re: PPRacer and video card problem

2007-01-07 Thread Hal
David Shultz wrote: [..] I really want it to be resolved and use debian. Is there anything else I need to do? --David Try to understand if direct render is properly working Have a look to xorg log file ! -- The difference between theory and practice is not as great in theory as in pratice

Re: [Fwd: [LIP] Fw: Boycott Caldera/SCO Products]

2003-03-08 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Saturday 08 March 2003 05:55 am, Sharninder wrote: > Hi, > This, therefore, is a call to boycott all Caldera and SCO products. > Do not use or recommend the use of: > > * Caldera OpenLinux > * SCO Linux > * SCO OpenServer > * SCO UnixWare So wouldn't that also mean boycotting OSDN -- sites lik

Re: exim & iptables

2003-03-09 Thread Hal Klingsporn
On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 09:58 PM, Gary Turner wrote: Hal wrote: I'm using Woody as a firewall with NAT to protect a small network that includes a mail and web server on an unregistered (192.168) network. I'd like to configure the fw so that it can send mail alerts to the

Re: Iptables is driving me nuts (beginner)

2003-03-11 Thread Hal Vaughan
are difficult to deal with -- each man page on IPTABLES or any other related topic seems to assume you already know everything about firewalling. Thanks. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: KDE vs. Gnome

2003-03-13 Thread Hal Vaughan
it hasn't been upgraded, but that's part of the point -- KDE feels designed for the user, GNOME seems designed for the programmer -- the fact that it is so easy to "hack" the GNOME file requestor is an example -- the emphasis was more on APIs than on ease-of-use for the

Re: exim & iptables

2003-03-13 Thread Hal Klingsporn
On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 07:43 PM, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 09:03:03AM -0500, Hal Klingsporn wrote: | Mail to/from users on the local net are handled by a mail (exim) server | inside the firewall. This works very well. The only issue is getting

Re: Convincing someone to switch to Linux

2003-03-14 Thread Hal Vaughan
ng to trust you or to take 5 minutes to learn a damn thing. Do you really want to spend your time with people like that? Just my thoughts. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-20 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 12:31 am, Kent West wrote: > John & Peg Pickard wrote: > > As I didn't have time to keep playing with LINUX, I gave up. > > Linux, being an OS by geeks for geeks, up until just recently, needs a > geek to get it set up properly. Mandrake and others have made vast > improv

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-21 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 02:46 am, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > > * Hal Vaughan [Tue, Jan 21 2003, 01:52:40AM]: > > > Linux, being an OS by geeks for geeks, up until just recently, needs a > > > geek to get it set up properly. Mandrake and others have made vast &

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Wednesday 22 January 2003 11:14 am, you wrote: > #include > > * Hal Vaughan [Tue, Jan 21 2003, 11:39:12AM]: > > comments. You're right. Truth is truth, even if it may hurt. I guess I > > hit a vein of truth and hurts. Maybe you haven't noticed, but you

Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

2003-01-22 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Wednesday 22 January 2003 01:33 am, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 01:52:40AM -0500, Hal Vaughan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 January 2003 12:31 am, Kent West wrote: > > > John & Peg Pickard wrote: > > > > I would STRONGLY r

Has Anyone Used This Debian Book?

2003-01-25 Thread Hal Vaughan
some packages)? Thanks for any comments and opinions. (I'm also looking at installing Knoppix on my HD and altering it, but that's another post...) Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Converting Knoppix to Woody

2003-01-25 Thread Hal Vaughan
quot; Debian install. Thanks. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Which version of X should I use?

2003-01-29 Thread Hal Vaughan
ome packages (I forgot the error message). Does getting one (or a few) packages from testing cause problems with installing packages from stable later? Thanks! Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Hal Vaughan
buy. I wish I had the authority to apologize to the rest of the world for the things this current adminstration is doing and not doing in terms of international cooperation. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Hal Vaughan
can always start with any of the works by the ever popular Joseph Campbell.) I'm not trying to start a flame war -- I'm just trying to clarify a few mis-understandings. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 01:05 am, Brian Nelson wrote: > Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > 3) Please, all those in other countries, do not hold Dub-ya up as an > > example, or an American ideal. Far less than 1/2 of elegible voters > > voted him into o

2 apt-get questions

2003-02-05 Thread Hal Vaughan
rch" doesn't show any awareness of the downloaded package.) And, if the answer or info I'm looking for isn't in the apt-get man page, where would it be? Thanks! Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 2 apt-get questions

2003-02-06 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Thursday 06 February 2003 04:09 am, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 01:08:52AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > 1) How can I specify the source site to use to retreive a specific > > package? (In this case, I added download.kde.org with all the info to > >

Re: 2 apt-get questions

2003-02-06 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Thursday 06 February 2003 02:06 am, Svein Ove Aas wrote: > torsdag 6. februar 2003, 07:08, skrev Hal Vaughan: > > 1) How can I specify the source site to use to retreive a specific > > package? (In this case, I added download.kde.org with all the info to > > point to the

Re: 2 apt-get questions

2003-02-06 Thread Hal Vaughan
game lists dependencies). Actually, I should have asked this with the question. The game is Enigma, and I found the binaries on mirrors, but the game is listed on the Debian website. It doesn't show up when I apt-cache search enigma. Is that because I'm using stable and it's in t

Installing Non-Debian Programs w/out Apt -- what effect?

2003-02-06 Thread Hal Vaughan
ngs as they break -- I'd also like to try to keep my system as stable.) If I install programs, do they generally not interfere w/ apt? And, while I'm on it -- once a program is packaged (like Open Office) and is in unstable, is there any general rule of thumb for how long it takes to go

Re: requesting help on ATI driver install problems

2003-02-09 Thread Hal Vaughan
people.debian.org/~blade/woody/ I think that page also has instructions for adding that site as a source for apt-get. I found I had to remove the x-common and x-server packages (basically everything X) from my box, then re-install w/ version 4.2. Once I did that, it worked fine. You might

Re: Knoppix?

2003-02-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
.list, and do a distro upgrade to testing? Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: please help with installation

2003-02-11 Thread Hal Vaughan
r than, say, Windows, I would suggest looking for something easier to install than Debian. Perhaps Mandrake or Redhat or Lycoris, or an easy-to-install version of Debian, like Libranet. If you can pay for a distro, you might try Xandros. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: please help with installation

2003-02-12 Thread Hal Vaughan
y (or correctly) on a hard drive. It's also a mix of Woody, Sarge, and Sid, so it can be hard to update or install other programs on later. While it installed perfectly for me, I could not get some programs to install on that system when I tried. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT Knoppix installation

2003-02-14 Thread Hal Vaughan
There's an HD install script. I think it's in /usr/local/bin. If not, it's in something close to that. I think it's called hd-install. Hal On Friday 14 February 2003 11:17 am, stan wrote: > I have a new laptop, and I was planing on istalling Koppix to take adv

Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-26 Thread Hal Vaughan
'm going to denigrate anyone who does and who does not think and work in the way I do." Such thinkers were probably there in the early 1900's, telling Henry Ford there's no reason we need the horseless carriage, since the horse-and-buggy was good enough for them. They would have told the Wright brothers only the lazy need flight to get somewhere quickly. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-26 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Wednesday 26 March 2003 03:22 pm, Kent West wrote: > Hal Vaughan wrote: > > > > >While some people do better with a command line interface, others do much > >better with an intuitive or graphical interface. > > > > >Some people > >learn and take in

Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-26 Thread Hal Vaughan
as little as possible, I'm a populist (I guess it comes from living in a republic) and feel it's better to empower as many people as possible with as many tools as possible, giving them the ability to make their own choices and decisions, rather than forcing them to work within t

Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-27 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Thursday 27 March 2003 07:38 am, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 12:38:27AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > If Henry Ford had your attitude, autos would have never been for more > > than mechanics. > > With over five times as many people being killed by autos in

Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks

2003-03-28 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Saturday 29 March 2003 12:04 am, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 12:38:27AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > On Wednesday 26 March 2003 11:17 pm, Marc Wilson wrote: > > > Why? The *user* has zero business installing the box. Yes, Joe Moron > > > ben

Re: Shell based text editor for writing prose

2003-04-02 Thread Hal Vaughan
to re-program control keys? How about margins? Is there anything in Emacs like the ability to set (and easily change) paragraph margins? Can you recommend a good guide for someone who has never used Emacs, but does quite well with a wordprocessor with a GUI? Thanks! Hal -- To UNSUBSCRI

Problems with Install of Woody from CD (and Network)

2002-12-24 Thread Hal Vaughan
t care about a GUI, or point and click, but it would be nice if I could get the system to just install. Thanks for any help or suggestions. (Yes, I've been reading docs and FAQs on the site.) Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Problems with Install of Woody from CD (and Network)

2002-12-26 Thread Hal Vaughan
WARNING: Long post (I thought I should include all original references!). On Wednesday 25 December 2002 05:59 am, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 11:06:21PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > Help or info on any of these issues would be greatly appreciated. I > > posted

Re: USB MagicOk

2002-12-26 Thread Hal Vaughan
he 2nd /dev/sdb. Isn't there some way to lock a device ID with a particluar device? Hal On Thursday 26 December 2002 11:40 am, Robert L. Harris wrote: > Scenario: > > 1 computer with USB Hub > > 2 USB 32Meg key fobs > 1 USB MP3 player with 10Gig drive > > > All 3

Problem with blank screen w/ ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon

2002-12-26 Thread Hal Vaughan
from the command line to configure/reconfigure X? 2) Has anyone had a similar problem and know what I need? Do I need the GATOS drivers for ATI? 3) Can anyone at all tell me what's going on, or at least tell me what M to RTFM? Thanks! Hal (Is it true that once a Linux user finally gets over th

New Install (Video and DeMuDi apt-get problems)

2002-12-27 Thread Hal Vaughan
er reason? Is there any way to find and read the list of packages from a particular source (I don't mean read it in my system's cache -- I mean read it from the site)? Thanks! Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

X Win and Mouse

2002-12-29 Thread Hal Vaughan
o the keyboard port). 2) Does anyone know how X behaves if it is looking for the mouse on the wrong port? Does it not start, start w/out a mouse, keep restarting until it finds the mouse, or what? Thanks! Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe

Getting a Higher Version w/out upgrading

2002-12-30 Thread Hal Vaughan
I'm still having problems with my ATI card. I know it's worked fine under XFree86 4.2, but Woody has X 4.1. How can I upgrade to X 4.2 w/out upgrading anything else or moving to unstable? Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe&quo

Re: Getting a Higher Version w/out upgrading

2002-12-31 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 31 December 2002 12:25 am, Hal Vaughan wrote: > I'm still having problems with my ATI card. I know it's worked fine under > XFree86 4.2, but Woody has X 4.1. How can I upgrade to X 4.2 w/out > upgrading anything else or moving to unstable? > > Hal Thanks to a

Programs Won't Run -- Can't find Library

2003-01-02 Thread Hal Vaughan
, but not .so.0. I thought apt-get was supposed to resolve dependency problems like this. So what do I do to get these programs running? I did apt-cache search libvorbisfile and the only package listed had libvorbisfile.so.3. Thanks! Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Anyone Here Know How to Access Demudi?

2003-01-02 Thread Hal Vaughan
w does one go about installing programs/packages that are listed as part of Demudi, but don't seem to be apt-get'able? Thanks! Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: XP oerrating system

2003-01-03 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 03 January 2003 10:54 am, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 05:31:03AM -0800, Beatrice I. Smith wrote: > > I have the XP home operating system on my PC. Is it possible to > > install the Debian Linux OS on this pc? > > Most likely. Linux supports all common hardware, so

Re: Radeon Mobility M6/LY problem

2003-01-04 Thread Hal Vaughan
ed in Woody -- you have to go to testing or unstable to get it to work.) Hal On Saturday 04 January 2003 02:04 pm, Matt Casey wrote: > Greetings, > I recently purchased an hp pavilion xt345 laptop, which has an ATI > Radeon Mobility M6 video card. Following some things that I'd read &

Re: [OT] X-friendly KVM switch?

2005-05-01 Thread Hal Vaughan
think it's great and it's one of those few pieces of technology that I hardly ever have to think about -- I just hit the keystrokes, and I get switched to the box I want. You can even boot one computer while using another, and it'll think the keyboard and mouse are hooked

Re: apt-get install mysql

2005-05-05 Thread Hal Vaughan
on't know which depend on which, but apt will resolve that for you. Hope this helps (with MySQL and other packages). Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: spyware

2005-05-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
x27;m not trying to pick a fight or start an argument, but I don't think there was anything attached to that request for the Windows key. I'm using KMail, and I went back and did a "View Source" on that e-mail, and there were no attachments or anything extra than excessive H

Re: [OT] Debian is ugly -- package for beautification?

2005-05-15 Thread Hal Vaughan
t; good. > I didn't say anything > about gender in my post. > > > p.s. In all fairness to Ron, he's never held back from speaking his > > mind on this list which, in my case at least, is why I value him so > > much as a member of the community. > > I don&#x

Re: [OT] Debian is ugly -- package for beautification?

2005-05-15 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Sunday 15 May 2005 10:02 pm, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > On 2005-05-16, Hal Vaughan penned: > > On Sunday 15 May 2005 07:31 pm, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > >> See, I thought about this, especially because Ron said "SO" instead > >> of some more gender

Re: Open-Source environments for Java (was: Re: java)

2005-05-22 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Sunday 22 May 2005 08:38 am, Rogério Brito wrote: > Do you really need proper Java from Sun/IBM? Unless things have changed drastically in the past year or so, if you're doing ANYTHING with a GUI, yes, you do. Hal

Installing Sarge -- Any reason to wait?

2005-05-30 Thread Hal Vaughan
install in the next day or two due to scheduling. Is there any benefit to waiting to install Sarge until after it goes stable? If so, I'll wait, but if there's no real reason, I'd rather install asap. (And yes, I'll be getting security updates.) Thanks! Hal -- T

Re: Installing Sarge -- Any reason to wait?

2005-05-30 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Monday 30 May 2005 03:36 pm, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 03:24:28PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > I have two production systems that I've been working with. Right now > > they are on Mepis while I'm testing. I want to change both over t

Re: MySQL Performance Woody Vs Sarge

2005-05-31 Thread Hal Vaughan
ew. I agree with s.keeling, but if you had included the 2 paragraphs above, I wouldn't have -- and if you had included more (like experience or more reasoning), I would find it even more useful. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Will Sid go nuts?

2005-06-02 Thread Hal Vaughan
if not become > testing? > > JR Sid is always the name for unstable. The next testing will be Etch, so once Sarge is stable, we have: Stable = Sarge Testing = Etch Unstable = Sid If you read up on the characters in "Toy Story," it makes sense, since Sid is the kid next store

Re: DVORAK

2005-06-06 Thread Hal Vaughan
27;ve changed over, how hard is it if you have to use Qwerty on someone else's computer?, 3) Does anyone know if it reduces problems like RSI or CT for one's wrists? 4) I use a natural keyboard, which helps a lot. Does that make a difference with Dvorak? Thanks! Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Sarge release

2005-06-07 Thread Hal Vaughan
w. We > apologise for the inconvenience. So just how many of the original discs need to be replaced? I'd think only the first one, and special CDs like the business card and net install ones, but would any but the first of all 14 be effected? Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

3.1_r0a CDs 7 & 8

2005-06-08 Thread Hal Vaughan
t least at the main site, but the files are not. I've been checking a lot of mirrors, but don't expect to find them on mirrors if they're not on the main download site. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 3.1_r0a CDs 7 & 8

2005-06-08 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Wednesday 08 June 2005 01:14 pm, Hal Vaughan wrote: > I've been trying with torrent, but can't get it to work, so I've been > downloading cd images (several local friends need CDs since they have bad > connections).  Is it just me, or is there a problem with finding im

Re: Top posting

2005-06-09 Thread Hal Vaughan
ing more and more with newcomers to the Internet. We can try to educate them, but things are changing. Maybe instead of judging others and expecting everyone to conform, we should *ALL* keep an open mind, otherwise we might find others are being as judgemental of us as we are of others. Hal --

Re: Top posting

2005-06-09 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Thursday 09 June 2005 03:18 pm, Jacob S wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:34:53 -0400 > > Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 09 June 2005 12:55 pm, David Jardine wrote: > > > be getting out of hand :) > > > us a lecture on top posting

Re: Top posting

2005-06-09 Thread Hal Vaughan
I don't know you, but your post is as self-centered, as "Me! Me! Me!" and as representative of someone concerned with not caring about whether or not their view is focused on himself instead of on others as is possible. I hope this bias and bigotry is not representive of the real you. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Top posting

2005-06-09 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Thursday 09 June 2005 04:35 pm, Hubert Chan wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:34:53 -0400, Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On Thursday 09 June 2005 12:55 pm, David Jardine wrote: > >> be getting out of hand :) > >> us a lecture on top posting sometime s

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-09 Thread Hal Vaughan
essing information in reverse order is much more > > efficient > > Do you drive in reverse on the freeway, too? After all, doing it > backwards is more efficient. > Boy, someone's got his dander up! There is no comparison to these two. They are two completely different topic

Re: Top posting

2005-06-09 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Thursday 09 June 2005 10:34 pm, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thursday June 9 2005 11:34 am, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > My point (with all do respect and no insult intended): You may not > > like top posting, but all of us on the 'net, even in technical > > groups like this,

Re: Top posting

2005-06-09 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Thursday 09 June 2005 11:16 pm, Hubert Chan wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 20:16:46 -0400, Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > I saw that, figured it was an attempt to be clever in making one's > > point and decided it was stupid. ... > > Then why did you

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
h in while I was getting my certification. A few people listened to different points of view, the rest went around shouting at the top of their lungs how they were right, the rest were wrong, and anyone who didn't listen to them and do it there way was doomed to hell. Hal -- To UNSUBS

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 03:05 am, Basajaun wrote: > Hal Vaughan wrote: > > On Thursday 09 June 2005 05:26 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > > On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 22:06 +0100, Graham Smith wrote: > > [snip] > > > > I would argue that top-posters fall into the

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
But that's the point: making it easier for those who *are* > > following a thread ahould be the priority. > > No, making it easier for *everybody* should be the priority. But *everybody* does not think the same way! What works for some does not work for others. Some people don&#

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 10:45 am, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday June 10 2005 12:56 am, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > Why it's such a big deal to them, I'll never know, but some people > > don't seem able to accept that different people do things > > differently. >

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
s hard to figure out > what went where, is a problem. > > -- hendrik That would be a really cool thing -- and even better if it could be integrated into e-mail readers. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
only shared your opinion and clarified here that it is what you think. You know what I think and, since I think Kosh was right and Truth is a 3 edged sword, I think somewhere between what I think and what you think is the Truth. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
;thank you" could also be, aside from just plain courtesy, a way to indicate that a solution works, but that may be getting nit-picky on phrasing, since it would indicate the same as "It works!" Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: I think I have a bug!!

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
blocker. For a novice on Windows, I'd suggest the same program names as I mentioned for viruses. Often you can get a bundle of programs to protect from viruses, spam, and other problems all in one package. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Plonking

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
ach know that is about the same as jamming your fingers in your ears and singing loudly -- and they know how childish that is, too. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Top posting

2005-06-13 Thread Hal Vaughan
better". That's the point. You THINK it is better. You THINK it is right. Yet in all your posts, you essentially assume what you think is right is right. My point is that you, and most arguing against top posting are assuming you have an absolute moral high ground, when

Re: Top posting

2005-06-13 Thread Hal Vaughan
is a bunch of people who say, essentially, how it makes sense to them, and since it makes sense to them, it *has* to be right. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Top posting

2005-06-13 Thread Hal Vaughan
re -- in this thread -- today -- in the past few hours. > Hal Vaughan wrote: > > It is not a strawman argument. > > It is. It is a metaphor. In both cases, groups have set themselves up as the authority on what is right and wrong, whether it is a technical or moral argument

Re: Top posting

2005-06-13 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Monday 13 June 2005 09:01 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 16:15 -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > --snip-- > > > It is a metaphor. In both cases, groups have set themselves up as the > > authority on what is right and wrong, whether it is a technical or moral

Re: Top posting

2005-06-13 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 14 June 2005 12:05 am, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 22:33 -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > --snip-- > > > you've noticed, I inline post, and rarely top post. I know that is how > > it is done, but the will of the group is not always righ

Re: Top posting

2005-06-13 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 14 June 2005 01:41 am, Steve Lamb wrote: > Hal Vaughan wrote: > > Actually, they are not as objective as one would think. > > Statement with no backup, gotta love it. Gone through that statement several times in the thread. I wrote a number of times about diff

Re: Top posting

2005-06-14 Thread Hal Vaughan
r better than without them (languages, driving > rules, laws). Those rules should only be repealed when a better way is > found, not for the sake of it. Repealing a set of rules is merely a > step to apply a new set, not to promote anarchy. And I'm pointing out that some tolerance her

Re: Top posting

2005-06-14 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 14 June 2005 06:41 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 13:01 -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > --snip-- > > > No. We are close minded people, like those in the 1950s or before who > > never > > ^^ > > If I see one more post t

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