Hello,
I have finally decided to come and use Linux, even when I know that it
is a bit more typical than Windows, which is being used mostly. I know
I can Google the things but the purpose of asking here is to know from
the experienced user who really can tell the reality or "behind the
scenes" st
Apologies for the later reply. I read and then reply.
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On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Andrei POPESCU
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> In order to decide I would advise you try Live CDs.
Okay.
> The format itself (.deb and .rpm) is not very interesting to end users.
Okay, because end users are not interested in the tasks which are
related with developers, I believe.
>
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Andrew Wood
wrote:
> After many years of using Linux on servers and my primary desktop I would
> only recommend Debian. Its solid and reliable, other distros ive found to be
> very buggy their installers often refuse to install on machines that arent
> reasona
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Doug wrote:
> You are going to get a lot of opinions here, and as a result you may be
> just as confused as you are now!
Yes, but I guess reading the great experiences would just create a
broader picture in my mind. Though it is true that confusion could get
gen
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Chris Bannister
wrote:
> You can use libreoffice. Just be aware that there can be formatting
> issues between the two systems. Using the .rtf type can be used instead,
> but there are plenty of "Save As ..." choices.
Oh definitely yes.
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On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf
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> This are 2 of several formats that are handled by package managers. I
> prefer DEB over RPM, but what I like the most, is the package format
> used by Arch Linux.
> Yes, Linux is the kernel, but the word Linux usually is used for a
> complet
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> Is it a 32-bit or 64-bit CPU? How old is it? Debian does compile for
> 32-bit architecture, for very old machines, so the 32-bit architecture
> might not be optimized to "modern" 32-bit CPUs. Some other distros
> ignore old hardware and compi
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> "_Like_ office works "etc."", so what's the "etc."? Multimedia? Distros
> have different policies regarding to used libraries, regarding to
> non-free codecs, regarding to follow or not to follow current stable
> releases from upstream. All t
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Catalin Soare
wrote:> Hello there!
> Then, come back to Debian. Unless you choose any testing or non-stable
> variants, you will notice that it truly is stable and once setup, things
> Just Work (TM).
Stable in what sense. Means we don't need to install anything
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Much depends on whether you (AP) are ready to get your feet wet and
> use the CLI (command line interface). By all means stick to the GUI
> (graphical user interface) for installing things if that is your
> preference.
Because I
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> It is certainly worth installing, but what he means, I think, is that
> it will rarely, if ever, crash, be almost bug-free (nothing is
> totally bug-free in all possible situations), has good security
> updates and can be relied on. It Just Wo
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Neal Murphy
wrote:
> GUIs have their uses; but they limit what one can do. If one wants to learn
> how a computer works, CLI is nearly the only way to go.
But CLI learning needs much time.
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On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q030WNZvXrA
Well, you mean its like GUI;)- Good analogy!
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Joe wrote:
> Depends on what you need that's new. Stable in the sense that the
> software version is not changed, except for some frequently-updated
> workstation software such as web browsers and virus checkers. Nearly
> all other software is frozen at the versio
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Doug wrote:
> Stable means the producers of the distro believe that the bugs have been
> all removed. That does _not_ mean that they won't change it tomorrow,
> and for some applications, you might have to upgrade--i.e.,
> install a new release of that system, or
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Andre Majorel wrote:
> Every reply of yours breaks the thread.
Really just using Opera (and sometimes Firefox) and typing
www.gmail.com and then using it without anything else...!
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Chris Bannister
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> Yep, that's pretty much on the nail! Although, it is around three years
> on average, as the testing distribution becomes the new stable.
> Of course, there is backports, but some would argue that then, by
> definition, you are no longer
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Quite.
I also really don't know about why this is happening. A mozilla firfox
is doing all that...without any reason..!
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
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> But since the OP isn't changing the subject line (at least not in a visible
> way), I wonder what else he's doing wrong.
Not changing even in invisible way!
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:21 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> The easiest, though not the only, solution is to use Gmail with an
> email client via IMAP or POP3. I use KMail. I have clients using
> Icedove (Thunderbird).
So with KMail can we read the mails offline too? (Only the mails which
have been r
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> I use POP3. The emails download just as they would from any
> mailserver. I then read, reply, edit etc. my emails off-line. With
> the difference that Gmail archives my emails as soon as I have
> downloaded them, instead of deleting them.
>
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> With KMail, Evolution or any other MUA you can read all mails off-line.
> IMAP/POP does download the mails to your machine. You can decide if you
> want to delete the mails from the gmail server after downloading them or
> not. At the moment
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Of course I haven't. And I have never made such a claim.
Ah, that was my rough guesswhich went wrong, that simple!
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf
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> KMail seems not to be better, but more worse than Evolution.
Ok but Evolution works well in KDE too?
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On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> "Dear AP, unfortunately you have made an assumption here based on
> irrelevant non-technical innuendo from Ralph (see above). But I won't
> hold that against you. For now :)"
No no I just read everybody
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> I guess I will test it this weekend or within the next month. But I also
> will test KMail on different installs. I'm undecided what DE I will use
> in the future and also what MUA. For me it's important that I can use
> the same DE and MUA w
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Thunderbird is the most use GUI MUA, because it's used on other
> platforms too. IOW, for Debian it's Icedove. Debian needs to rename
> Thunderbird, but that's another story.
> Mozillas (not only Thunderbird/Icedove), KMail, Evolution and Syl
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I can't remember what I tested a while ago. Perhaps Claws, maybe
> Sylpheed. I'll try _both_ again.
Have all tried Thunderbird? I am eager to know about it. Is it excellent?
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> I use POP3. The emails download just as they would from any
> mailserver. I then read, reply, edit etc. my emails off-line. With
> the difference that Gmail archives my emails as soon as I have
> downloaded them, instead of deleting them.
>
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Joe wrote:
> Yes, it seems to be stable and do things fairly well. It's a bit slow,
> particularly when starting, but that's not a problem if you keep it
> open all day. It's a bit heavy on resources and may be a problem for
> older computers if multiple tabs are u
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
> The world is a complicated place. A counter argument to your 'maximum
> no. of people' is: Look for MUA that is truly outside the mainstream
> of usage because it will have the least number of phishers attacking
> you.
Thought over your advi
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I used it for years, it was and likely is excellent, but not a native
> Linux app and as already mentioned before, I dislike the Mozilla policy.
Well, I would say some people like the Mozilla policy and some not.
Its personalthough.
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On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Phishing = faked web sites that ask you to give passwords etc. have nothing
> to do with the used operating system.
Oh I see.
> Attacks that use buffer overflows and other bugs or weak points are the less
> likely, the less the software is u
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM, wrote:
> Personally, I use KMail. It's a lot less resource intensive than Thunderbird
> (Called Icedove in Debian.), does the job well, and integrates with KDE SC,
> including Plasma and Kontact. Thunderbird doesn't integrate well even in
> "native" GTK+ environm
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> Thunderbird is excellent. Have been using it exclusively for several years,
> ever since
> KMail screwed me by printing about 5% of my incoming mail in some Asian
> script
> that could not be recovered into English.
Oh I see. Anyways, you c
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> Mozilla software is excellent regarding to technically aspects, but not
> regarding to
> freedom.
Your mean privacy?
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On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf
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> Yes, millions of hackers are looking at the code too, not only the "good
> guys" ;). It's more interesting to find _and use_ the one and only
> security whole to get access to the French military and your private
> mails and data, than to fin
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Doug McGarrett
wrote:
> And just sacrifice something else useful to the great god FOSS!
Yeah, FOSS is computer's God nowadays;)-
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On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:21 PM, wrote:
> I prefer Google anyway, though, as I have yet to see a search engine that
> works nearly as well. I know a lot of people rave about Duck Duck Go, but
> every time I use it it loves to bring up results in an order that doesn't hit
> the same sort of relev
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> In the end, suck it and see. No email client is perfect. Most are
> good. How many people use it is not necessarily a good criterion.
> Think of Outlook and Outlook Express!
I agree with you Lisi that no email client is 100% perfect and the
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:28 AM, John Hasler wrote:
>> The email clients continuously emulate each other...
> Except for Gnus.
Why this is an exception?
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On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Roughly, Mozilla said that they had to have the last word on anything
> going out under their copyright. Debian said taht they had to have
> the last word on any packages going into the official repositories.
> These two were incompatible.
> S
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Yes, I have experience of it. It is good email client. But I
> personally do not like it as much as many people do. It used to be
> much better for newbies than other clients, but I think that that is
> no longer true.
> Depending on circums
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> My aversion against Mozillas is not objective.
But at least it is better than Safari or Windows Explorer.
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On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Ralf Mardorf
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> The last time I wanted to test Thunderbird again, some month ago,
> it opened with advertisings.
Okay, that's why you feel the other one is better...ok, fair enough.
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On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Paul E Condon wrote:
> Phishing is not virus. Phishing is play tricks on your mind and
> senses. Finding ways to make you believe things that are not true. To
> the extent that your environment is known to the phishers they have
> you at a disadvantage. Note that I
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Gilles Mocellin
wrote:
> It seems that your mail client breaks threads.
> I see all your mails as new threads, disconnected from thoses you're
> responded to.
Yes it is agreed because I heard it a type of Mozilla bug too! I am
not sure of it and that's why have de
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Everything can be hacked, it's a race!
Agreed but what I meant is that as soon as something is hacked/prone
to be hacked, developers can do the proper required patching or
editing the code so that the existing hole can be blocked. If a
furthe
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Since you're using KDE (IIRC), start with using KMail. If you should use
> a MUA based on something else, but Qt, you might experience theme and
> icon issues. Those issues can be solved, but then you need to install
> more dependencies than y
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> You already said: "I guess our life is a race!"
> and we know the end of the race ;), the end is some kind of "issue" ;p.
The end is not any kind of issue because the end is sure and this is
known. If you call it an issue, I can call it an e
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:19:27 AM John Hasler wrote:
> Gnus is very different from all other MUAs.
Well.
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pts, no cookies, and no referrers.
Doesn't it store cookies? Then I was in different impression.
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ictionary in KMail...(like the one exists when one composes e-mail in
Gmail)....?
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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 05:00:49 PM Siard wrote:
> JH means: Google search still works fine when you refuse cookies.
Oh I see, you mean like using BetterPrivacy type Addons...right.
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Can you please elaborate the other method...?
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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:02:17 AM John Hasler wrote:
> Iceweasel -> Preferences -> Privacy -> follow instructions
Or:
Firefox -> Preferences -> Privacy -> follow instructions
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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:56:34 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Cookies themselves are not evil. It's how some marketers have used
> cookies that is evil.
Unless you did a bank transaction!
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uses gpg
Can you please let me know what does that mean, backend
encryption I meant. If it has encryption, it could rather be better, in my
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cy Add-on servers the same purpose though.
I came to know this. Still I would be interested to know if I am in absolutely
wrong impression.
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ridiculous. It even says there
is no work like 'KDE'. LOL..., I just wanted something which could underline
the words which have wrong spellings so that the user can see which one to
rectify; like the Gmail compose option has.
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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 02:38:38 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> >> And the best way to avoid is to type the website rather to click some
> >> link.
> I think what he's referring to is the visible link normally has a
> recognizable website such as www.example.com, while the actual link
> takes yo
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:27:31 PM David Guntner wrote:
> There's a Debian
> "Off Topic" list for that, and you bloody well know it.
Well, email client discussion is off-topic...? A wonder...!
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On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:40:24 PM Neal Murphy wrote:
> > Oh Okay. How can headers be read in KMail...?
> Tap 'v'.
Oh thanks...Long long description...covered every detail, I believe....
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which end users use most of the
times.
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I was in wrong impression really. Thanks for
clariying this!!
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t; encrypted!). That way I don't have to sign on manually every time I
> visit a site.
> I do have third-party cookies disabled, however, and do check my cookies
> at times just to see what is there.
Fair reasons.
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Lisi wrote:
> I shall now null-file you as I have done with Ralph. I have had
> enough of your unpleasantness.
I was had any unpleasantness with you but okay.Better is to confabulate
over lists, at least with you.
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ts are automatically sent? Or it is
manually required to send those mails?
Yes, it is better to mail on lists rather to mail privately if you really
don't prefer it
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manually required to send those mails?
Yes, it is better to mail on lists rather to mail privately if you really
don't prefer it
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st with you.
Correction: I meant I never had any unpleasant with you which you have with me
or with Ralph.
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x27;t relevant to Debian and shouldn't be on list.
Yeah that's why you and I confabulated otherwise but you say all this on
lists, so this should not be there
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re never justified. I have had sites attempt to shove as many
> as fifty cookies at me. I never go back to them.
Yeah ok.
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On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 01:00:44 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> As for the logins - I also let the browser store usernames and passwords
> (encrypted, of course).
How this particular step you achieve?
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Oh if you let the browser open for weeks, then certainly it won't work for
youI shut down the PC after an hour or two...(I am only an end user...),
so okay...
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't go to this trouble or footprint, and
> just use something like icedove with iceowl extension or claws mail.
> Cheers!
Fine.
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On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 07:26:22 PM Weaver wrote:
> The best mail client depends completely on individual need.
Got it! Thanks.
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> It varies somewhat by release, but it's under Options in the Tools menu
> entry.
Ok well.
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there...Whatever, can one please clarify this
about off-list...?
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l, evolution, mutt, iceape.
> - the best is Icedove/Thunderbird. It works perfectly.
> - I like claws-mail too but it's very slow with Imap. It's ok with pop3.
Oh thanks..
But can you move this to the off-topic list or somewhere and point me that
link...so that I can ask ther
lligerent replies were completely out of place.
> We're all friends here. Let's keep it civil, shall we folks?
I very well respect your views and agree. But some people like Robert Holtzman
really don't seem to understand this.they just use absurd languade...foul
comes..
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Neal Murphy wrote:
> Since most users are not experts, they deserve to have 'the right tools' at
> their fingertips.
And this is necessary if Linux is made to be used in every home like
earlier Windows was being used!
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On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Linux isn't an opponent to other OSes.
Agreed and one should not be. But if such utilities which can be
easily used by end users, then its a plus point and really good.
Anything tough is that every knows its typical to understand but
making t
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Atle Solbakken wrote:
> The reason why most people don't have Linux-distros on their home box is
> because no-one is forcing people to use it. Linux-distros are decentralized
> projects with no intention of making any money and therefore no need to make
> people u
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Gary Roach wrote:
> In a linux, open source system the software is constantly changing with minor
> improvements and bug fixes so there can be 2 or 3 changes a day in your
> software. Many of these are security fixes that are important. With RPM's it
> is very har
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