Greetings George,
>Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 4:00 AM
>From: "George at Clug"
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along
>On Sunday, 21-07-2024 at 07:57 daggs wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of users
Greetings Kamil,
> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 7:55 AM
> From: "Kamil Jońca"
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along
>
> daggs writes:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of users to run
> > a specifi
Sendmail is too old to be supported.
You may use postfix and exim instead. They are main stream MTA software
today.
On 2024-07-21 14:58, Adam Weremczuk wrote:
This is in a way a continuation of my recently "purely local DNS"
thread.
To recap: my objective is to send emails to a single domai
Let me rephrase my question, which should be easier to answer.
What exactly shall I substitute:
mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t"
with in /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf
to make logwatch use postfix (already working without DNS) instead of
sendmail?
On 21/07/2024 08:08, Jeff
Adam Weremczuk writes:
> Let me rephrase my question, which should be easier to answer.
>
> What exactly shall I substitute:
>
> mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t"
>
Eee. Nothing?
--8<---cut here---start->8---
dpkg -L postfix|grep send
/usr/sbin/sendmail
/usr
Adam,
I dislike people to reply to my questions but do not answer the question,
instead suggest I do something totally different.
Please forgive me, as that is what I am about to do.
I have had, what seems to me to be similar issue, my solution was to set up an
authoritative BIND9 server on th
On 7/21/24 02:33, Russell L. Harris wrote:
The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather
than Dvorak:
= The precedent set by the first to market is powerful.
= The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in discernment
and addicted to novelty is deadly.
Add to t
hlyg (12024-07-21):
> is it possible to remap keyboard to Dvorak in X Window?
Yes, of course.
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Debian+dvorak
> does anyone use it
> to speed up typing?
No, only to feel smug.
# Later experiments have shown th
Contrary to popular belief, the QWERTY layout was not designed to slow the
typist down, but rather to speed up typing.
Indeed, there is evidence that, aside from the issue of jamming, placing
often-used keys farther apart increases typing speed, because it encourages
alternation between the ha
Hi,
hede wrote:
> Technically it should be possible, as dmidecode can show the reason:
> Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes
> System Information
> ...
> Wake-up Type: LAN Remote
> vs.
> Wake-up Type: Power Switch
The statement in man dmidecode "DMI (some say SMBIOS)" caused me to
Adam Weremczuk writes:
> Let me rephrase my question, which should be easier to answer.
>
> What exactly shall I substitute:
>
> mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t"
>
> with in /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf
>
> to make logwatch use postfix (already working without DNS) instead of
>
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 at 09:46, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> hede wrote:
> > Technically it should be possible, as dmidecode can show the reason:
> > Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes
> > System Information
> > ...
> > Wake-up Type: LAN Remote
> > vs.
> > Wake-up Type: Power Switch
>
>
Hi all,
I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to
be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off
with relative ease.
The issue is detecting when it needs to be done. ie after a change in
the running kernel. At the moment, it's detected by the
On 21 Jul 2024 12:43 +0100, from deb...@norgie.net (Mike):
> I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to
> be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off
> with relative ease.
> I thought that I'd just run it past the hive mind and see if anyone ha
Mike (12024-07-21):
> 1) lsmod | grep
>
> I conceed that doesn't actually indicate the kernel has changed, just
> that the kernel module is missing. However, so far, it being missing
> has consistent indicated a kernel change and rebuilding the driver on a
> false positive isn't really an issue
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 12:40 AM wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 03:27:17PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > And even you Hans, leave out the major, all encompassing, reason for the
> > lack of market share, which is that most business that have a
> computerized
> > system to run things
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 08:24:06 +0100, Adam Weremczuk wrote:
> Let me rephrase my question, which should be easier to answer.
>
> What exactly shall I substitute:
>
> mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t"
>
> with in /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf
>
> to make logwatch use postfix (a
Mike wrote:
> I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to
> be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off
> with relative ease.
>
> The issue is detecting when it needs to be done. ie after a change in
> the running kernel. At the moment, it's
Jeffrey Walton writes:
> This is alarming (to me) from the YC post:
>
> "we push software to your machines any time we want,
> whether or not it's urgent, without testing it" seems to be
> core to the model...
>
> Updates need to be tested inside an organization's lab, and then
> test
On 7/21/24 07:43, Mike wrote:
Hi all,
I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to
be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off
with relative ease.
The issue is detecting when it needs to be done. ie after a change in
the running kernel. At t
Richmond wrote:
> Jeffrey Walton writes:
>
> Yes the updates should be tested at every stage. Maybe people think that
> they cannot stop updates, but they can use Group Policy to stop Windows
> Update. Or maybe they are afraid if they don't allow virus updates then
> they will allow a virus?
Th
> - software updates that run as root (including Debian updates)
> can run anything else as root
So, maybe a more relevant discussion is: what will happen when a Debian
stable security update comes with a "big blunder" that crashes the most
machines in early boot?
Admittedly, the wider vari
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:13:00 +0200
Hans wrote:
> > You missed one: Linux is virtually a virus-free environment, and a
> > large user base would mean many more people running as root, and it
> > would become worth the time of malware writers to target Linux.
> > Linux would become as virus-ridden
Joe (12024-07-21):
> I accept what you say, the point I was making is that the more users,
> and they will be less IT-competent users, the more will login as root.
No, they will not.
And it does not matter, because on a personal computer the root account
is not what matters, what matters is the u
On Sun 21 Jul 2024 at 10:45:59 (+), David wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 at 09:46, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > hede wrote:
>
> > > Technically it should be possible, as dmidecode can show the reason:
> > > Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes
> > > System Information
> > > ...
> > > Wake-u
On 18/07/2024 00:01, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 17:58:57 +0100, Tim Woodall wrote:
No, I'm talking about sudo, not su. I'm not a sudo user so I can't test
but my understanding is that root inherits the umask of the invoking
user (or it used to)
Looks like this is still true.
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 05:18:46PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> And it does not matter, because on a personal computer the root account
> is not what matters, what matters is the user account where you can
> install a key logger and get banking credentials or encrypt all the data
> and ask for a
Alain D D Williams (12024-07-21):
> I only needed root as it was for another user.
Exactly. On a computer with only one user account, once the pirate have
access to that account, they can do everything that matters. Including
spy the root password next time it is typed, but why waste the time when
Joe (12024-07-21):
> And the important phrase there is 'if you want to'. The point is that
> many people, especially those accustomed to running with admin
> privileges on their Windows computers, would continue to do that.
No, they will not. They will continue to follow the system
default, whate
Dan Ritter writes:
> Richmond wrote:
>> Jeffrey Walton writes:
>>
>> Yes the updates should be tested at every stage. Maybe people think that
>> they cannot stop updates, but they can use Group Policy to stop Windows
>> Update. Or maybe they are afraid if they don't allow virus updates then
>>
On 2024-07-21 at 10:42, Joe wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 15:27:17 -0400 gene heskett
> wrote:
>
>> And even you Hans, leave out the major, all encompassing, reason
>> for the lack of market share, which is that most business that have
>> a computerized system to run things also value what their
I do not agree to this. Updates should be installed as soon as they are
available. Especially security updates. It shows , that within 24 hours after
the release of an update, an exploit is available for this security hole.
But you should do it corrdectly, like some hospitals did: First check wi
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 18:36:30 +1000
George at Clug wrote:
> Adam,
>
> I dislike people to reply to my questions but do not answer the
> question, instead suggest I do something totally different.
Yes, but sometimes:
a) that's the right answer anyway
b) it may not answer the OP's question. but
On 2024-07-20 at 22:07, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 9:46 PM The Wanderer
> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-07-20 at 09:19, jeremy ardley wrote:
>>> The problem is the Windows Systems Administrators who contracted
>>> for / allowed unattended remote updates of kernel drivers on
>>> live
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:43:58 +0100
Mike wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to
> be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off
> with relative ease.
>
> The issue is detecting when it needs to be done. ie after a chan
hlyg writes:
> why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of development?
But it has. The internet and what connects to it now mostly run Linux,
other than Microsoft's single niche. Mobile phones run a Linux
variant. The PC desktop is the only exception where they have
domination,
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > - software updates that run as root (including Debian updates)
> > can run anything else as root
>
> So, maybe a more relevant discussion is: what will happen when a Debian
> stable security update comes with a "big blunder" that crashes the most
> machines in earl
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 12:19 PM Hans wrote:
>
> I do not agree to this. Updates should be installed as soon as they are
> available. Especially security updates. It shows , that within 24 hours after
> the release of an update, an exploit is available for this security hole.
I think you may be c
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 04:48:19PM +0800, hlyg wrote:
On 7/21/24 02:33, Russell L. Harris wrote:
The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather
than Dvorak:
= The precedent set by the first to market is powerful.
= The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in di
Thanks for pointing that out.
I've noticed that installing sendmail package was removing postfix and
vice versa.
That made me think these two were mutually exclusive.
After reinstalling postfix, logwatch suddenly started sending emails so
everything is now working as expected.
---
Adam
O
Hi list,
I have been running an old debian 11 for many days.
is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically?
for example put them into crontab.
I ask this question because I am worried that some software updates may
conflict with each other after running in this way, resulting in
On 7/21/24 17:47, cor...@free.fr wrote:
Hi list,
I have been running an old debian 11 for many days.
is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically?
for example put them into crontab.
I wouldn't have the upgrade run automatically, because maybe there's a
package you wouldn't wan
On 22/7/24 05:47, cor...@free.fr wrote:
Hi list,
I have been running an old debian 11 for many days.
is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically?
for example put them into crontab.
I ask this question because I am worried that some software updates may
conflict with each othe
On 22/7/24 07:34, Bret Busby wrote:
On 22/7/24 05:47, cor...@free.fr wrote:
Hi list,
I have been running an old debian 11 for many days.
is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically?
for example put them into crontab.
I ask this question because I am worried that some software
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 07:34:29 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> One thing to remember, regarding automated upgrades, is that, if an upgrade
> involves a kernel upgrade, then you can have a need for immediate rebooting,
> which may be problematic.
It's also rare, but NOT unheard of, for a stable releas
On Mon 22 Jul 2024 at 05:47:58 (+0800), cor...@free.fr wrote:
> I have been running an old debian 11 for many days.
> is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically?
> for example put them into crontab.
I run the following from root's crontab:
apt-get -qq -o Acquire::http::Proxy=
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 05:47:58AM +0800, cor...@free.fr wrote:
> is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically?
> for example put them into crontab.
I prefer to use apticron to download updates daily and tell me about
them, and then for me to install them manually. The reason
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 10:03 AM Joe wrote:
>
>
> Basically, I think that with many more users, we would see more Windows
> users and they would be less secure in their habits. We've already seen
> this to some extent with Ubuntu. I don't think it's any more difficult
> to write a virus for Li
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 at 15:27, David Wright wrote:
> On Sun 21 Jul 2024 at 10:45:59 (+), David wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 at 09:46, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > > hede wrote:
> > Don't be discouraged by all the junk that the autogenerated grub.cfg
> > contains these days, most of it is not n
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 07:55:29PM -0600, Shawn Jefferds wrote:
Your final statement makes me curious about learning Dvorak.
Shawn Jefferds
??n ??f?rdz
Noli fovere canem ardentum
Vote Vader 2024!
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:37 Russell L. Harris wrote:
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 04:48:19PM +080
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 18:43:28 -0500
David Wright wrote:
> I run the following from root's crontab:
>
> apt-get -qq -o Acquire::http::Proxy="http://192.168.1.14:3142/";
> update && apt-get -qq -d -o
> Acquire::http::Proxy="http://192.168.1.14:3142/"; dist-upgrade && find
> /var/cache/apt/archi
On Mon, 22 Jul 2024 05:47:58 +0800
cor...@free.fr wrote:
> I have been running an old debian 11 for many days.
> is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically?
> for example put them into crontab.
I suggest you do the next update manually. Then you can automate the
process with th
good morning,
i installed debain 12 from your site, and using the usb , I did the
installation, but I don't know why I don't get the desktop enviments , it is
only text.
what I can do?
thanks
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