Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 05:57:00PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 05:53:59PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > When linux was first written, the IBM PC was 15 years old. > > *10 > > I'm not sure if it's math or typing that's hard All three of them, actually ;-) Cheers -- t

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-13 Thread David Wright
On Sun 12 Jun 2022 at 13:06:40 (-0600), Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 12:20:05 -0400 > gene heskett wrote: > > > Now, I really need a terminal for alt-ctl-F3 that does support the > > mouse. > > charles@hawk:~$ apt show gpm [ … ] > Description: General Purpose Mouse interface >

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 05:53:59PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: When linux was first written, the IBM PC was 15 years old. *10 I'm not sure if it's math or typing that's hard

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:06:38AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 6/13/22 09:17, Michael Stone wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 08:19:02PM +0100, mick crane wrote: The clue though is as somebody said that disabling this new fangled EFI doesn't seem to do what Gene (or I ) thinks it does. new fan

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-13 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, June 13, 2022 11:35:29 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > Let's get some actual numbers in here. From wikipedia: > > IBM PC with proprietary BIOS introduced: 1981 > Linus Torvalds begins writing Linux: 1991 Efforts started toward EFI (predecessor in some sense of UEFI) -- see below: 199

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:06:38AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 6/13/22 09:17, Michael Stone wrote: > > new fangled? UEFI has been around longer than the PC BIOS was when linux > > was first written... > If that is what they taught you in history, Michael, sue the the school.   *sigh* Let's ge

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-13 Thread gene heskett
On 6/13/22 09:17, Michael Stone wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 08:19:02PM +0100, mick crane wrote: The clue though is as somebody said that disabling this new fangled EFI doesn't seem to do what Gene (or I ) thinks it does. new fangled? UEFI has been around longer than the PC BIOS was when li

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 08:19:02PM +0100, mick crane wrote: The clue though is as somebody said that disabling this new fangled EFI doesn't seem to do what Gene (or I ) thinks it does. new fangled? UEFI has been around longer than the PC BIOS was when linux was first written... So having tw

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread mick crane
On 2022-06-12 18:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: On Sunday 12 June 2022 12:54:19 pm mick crane wrote: As mentioned before, if it was me, I'd remove everything except the disk thing you want to boot with that has the OS on it and add and get things working one at a time afterwards. Were I run

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 12:20:05 -0400 gene heskett wrote: > Now, I really need a terminal for alt-ctl-F3 that does support the > mouse. charles@hawk:~$ apt show gpm Package: gpm Version: 1.20.7-8 Priority: optional Section: misc Maintainer: Axel Beckert Installed-Size: 553 kB Pre-Depends: init-sy

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Jun 2022 at 17:00:42 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 12:20:05PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > > > > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm.

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Sunday 12 June 2022 12:54:19 pm mick crane wrote: > As mentioned before, if it was me, I'd remove everything except the disk > thing you want to boot with that has the OS on it and add and get things > working one at a time afterwards. Were I running into these kinds of hassles, that would

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 12:20:05PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > > > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. > > For me, konsole does fine -- I can C&P from it with the mouse (and,

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread gene heskett
On 6/12/22 12:41, Dan Ritter wrote: gene heskett wrote: On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: That's not the important first impression however. Installing without a root pw, I am prevented from doing anything to the system setup

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 11:42:06AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > If blkid is missing, so is lsblk, unicorn:~$ type blkid blkid is /sbin/blkid unicorn:~$ type lsblk lsblk is /bin/lsblk Betcha it's a PATH thing.

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread mick crane
On 2022-06-12 17:20, gene heskett wrote: I so want you to succeed and I can't be a lot of help. As mentioned before, if it was me, I'd remove everything except the disk thing you want to boot with that has the OS on it and add and get things working one at a time afterwards. mick -- Key ID

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread David Wright
On Sun 12 Jun 2022 at 12:20:05 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > > > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. > > For me, konsole does fine -- I can C&P from it with the mouse (and, > > p

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Dan Ritter
gene heskett wrote: > > On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > That's not the important first impression however. Installing without a root > pw, I am prevented from doing anything to the system setup cuz everything > but synapti

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread David Wright
On Sun 12 Jun 2022 at 03:53:49 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > Thomas Schmitt composed on 2022-06-12 09:21 (UTC+0200): > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > >> The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have konsole > >> and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse driven copy/

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread gene heskett
On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. For me, konsole does fine -- I can C&P from it with the mouse (and, presumably, keystrokes). Well, I gave up and did another 29t install, but in

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread rhkramer
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. For me, konsole does fine -- I can C&P from it with the mouse (and, presumably, keystrokes).

OT: why (was: Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails)

2022-06-12 Thread rhkramer
I was going to restrain myself and not send this, but I succumbed ... sorry for the noise. On Sunday, June 12, 2022 03:53:49 AM Felix Miata wrote: > Why this tangent to Gene's foibles? I shouldn't do this, but ... (And no criticism intended of anyone, specifically Thomas Schmitt.) s/song/threa

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 07:53:21AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > gene@coyote:~$ bash: xterm: command not found > > xterm cannot be found by synaptic or apt either. unicorn:~$ apt policy xterm xterm: Installed: 366-1+deb11u1 Candidate: 366-1+deb11u1 Version table: *** 366-1+deb11u1 500

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 07:53:21AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On Sunday, 12 June 2022 03:21:50 EDT Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have > > > konsole and termit, and termit will work from x and give me m

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, 12 June 2022 03:21:50 EDT Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have > > konsole and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse > > driven copy/ paste. But its a teeny litle thing on this monitors

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Felix Miata
Thomas Schmitt composed on 2022-06-12 09:21 (UTC+0200): > Gene Heskett wrote: >> The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have konsole >> and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse driven copy/ >> paste. But its a teeny litle thing on this monitors screen. > Ex

xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have konsole > and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse driven copy/ > paste. But its a teeny litle thing on this monitors screen. Execute xterm & in one of the terminal windows which the p