Re: Failed to boot on linux-image-4.19.0-27-cloud-amd64 under Xen 4.7

2024-07-24 Thread DdB
Am 25.07.2024 um 06:52 schrieb Sam Lander: > Rackspace Xen 4.7 linux-image-4.19.0-26-cloud-amd64 works, > linux-image-4.19.0-27-cloud-amd64 does not work. FWIW: I do not use the *clowd* kernels, but the regular ones in my VM's: > uname -a > Linux SuperServer 4.19.0-27-am

Failed to boot on linux-image-4.19.0-27-cloud-amd64 under Xen 4.7

2024-07-24 Thread Sam Lander
Summary Rackspace Xen 4.7 linux-image-4.19.0-26-cloud-amd64 works, linux-image-4.19.0-27-cloud-amd64 does not work. I am running Buster on Rackspace inside a 1GB basic model VM At the end of June, linux-image-4.19.0-27-cloud-amd64 was added as a security update My unattended-upgrades script

Re: Debian/Xen on ARM: How to identify source of an unhandled SMC call during boot?

2024-02-17 Thread Paul Leiber
Am 31.01.2024 um 23:12 schrieb Tixy: On Wed, 2024-01-31 at 21:59 +0100, hw wrote: On Wed, 2024-01-31 at 08:02 +0100, Paul Leiber wrote: Am 25.01.2024 um 22:28 schrieb Paul Leiber: [...] Some people on xen-devel pointed out to me two unhandled SMC calls in the boot logs which could be the root

Re: Debian/Xen on ARM: How to identify source of an unhandled SMC call during boot?

2024-01-31 Thread Tixy
On Wed, 2024-01-31 at 21:59 +0100, hw wrote: > On Wed, 2024-01-31 at 08:02 +0100, Paul Leiber wrote: > > Am 25.01.2024 um 22:28 schrieb Paul Leiber: > > [...] > > > Some people on xen-devel pointed out to me two unhandled SMC calls in > > > the boot logs which co

Re: Debian/Xen on ARM: How to identify source of an unhandled SMC call during boot?

2024-01-31 Thread Paul Leiber
Am 31.01.2024 um 19:07 schrieb Andrew M.A. Cater: On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 08:02:47AM +0100, Paul Leiber wrote: Am 25.01.2024 um 22:28 schrieb Paul Leiber: Paul [1] https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2023-10/msg00796.html [2] https://developer.arm.com/documentation/den0098

Re: Debian/Xen on ARM: How to identify source of an unhandled SMC call during boot?

2024-01-31 Thread hw
On Wed, 2024-01-31 at 08:02 +0100, Paul Leiber wrote: > Am 25.01.2024 um 22:28 schrieb Paul Leiber: > > Dear Debian user list members, > > > > I am trying to run network related stuff (Samba, Zabbix) on a Raspberry > > Pi 4B in a virtualized environment using De

Re: Debian/Xen on ARM: How to identify source of an unhandled SMC call during boot?

2024-01-31 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 08:02:47AM +0100, Paul Leiber wrote: > Am 25.01.2024 um 22:28 schrieb Paul Leiber: > > > > Paul > > > > [1] > > https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2023-10/msg00796.html > > [2] https://developer.arm.com/documenta

Re: Debian/Xen on ARM: How to identify source of an unhandled SMC call during boot?

2024-01-30 Thread Paul Leiber
Am 25.01.2024 um 22:28 schrieb Paul Leiber: Dear Debian user list members, I am trying to run network related stuff (Samba, Zabbix) on a Raspberry Pi 4B in a virtualized environment using Debian Bookworm and Xen. I am running into reproducible complete system crashes/reboots due to a Xen

Debian/Xen on ARM: How to identify source of an unhandled SMC call during boot?

2024-01-25 Thread Paul Leiber
Dear Debian user list members, I am trying to run network related stuff (Samba, Zabbix) on a Raspberry Pi 4B in a virtualized environment using Debian Bookworm and Xen. I am running into reproducible complete system crashes/reboots due to a Xen watchdog triggering under certain, seemingly

Re: Debian 11 installer crashed and reboot (in Xen DomU)

2023-07-27 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Elmar, On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 03:03:20AM +0200, Dr. Nagy Elemér Károly wrote: > Two years later, all Debian 11.0-12.1 installers still crash in Xen as DomU, > it is a known bug: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=983357 > > In PV mode, /boot/grub/grub.cfg

Re: Debian 11 installer crashed and reboot (in Xen DomU)

2023-07-27 Thread Dr . Nagy Elemér Károly
Greetings, Two years later, all Debian 11.0-12.1 installers still crash in Xen as DomU, it is a known bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=983357 In PV mode, /boot/grub/grub.cfg is the relevant config file, but in HVM mode, isolinux/txt.cfg is. The images under

Re: Issue with Xen PCI passthrough ("swiotlb buffer is full") after Debian Dom0 kernel update to 5.10.178-3 and later

2023-06-29 Thread Andy Smith
nowledge to do so. You perhaps need to bisect the kernel. Can you easily reproduce the problem on demand? If you can then this shouldn't take too long. Here are some instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel/GitBisect If you do manage to identify the exact change that breaks

Re: Issue with Xen PCI passthrough ("swiotlb buffer is full") after Debian Dom0 kernel update to 5.10.178-3 and later

2023-06-29 Thread Paul Leiber
Am 29.06.2023 um 01:45 schrieb Andy Smith: On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 09:40:52PM +0200, Paul Leiber wrote: In the meantime, I have upgraded Dom0 to Debian Bookworm with linux-image-amd64 6.1.27-1 and Xen 4.17. The issue persists, seemingly unchanged. In DomU dmesg, there are several "sw

Re: Issue with Xen PCI passthrough ("swiotlb buffer is full") after Debian Dom0 kernel update to 5.10.178-3 and later

2023-06-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Paul, On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 09:40:52PM +0200, Paul Leiber wrote: > In the meantime, I have upgraded Dom0 to Debian Bookworm with > linux-image-amd64 6.1.27-1 and Xen 4.17. The issue persists, seemingly > unchanged. > > In DomU dmesg, there are several "swiotlb buffer is

Issue with Xen PCI passthrough ("swiotlb buffer is full") after Debian Dom0 kernel update to 5.10.178-3 and later

2023-06-28 Thread Paul Leiber
working without any changes. Does anybody experience similar behavior? Any hints on how to troubleshoot? Should I file a bug report? For which package? I have already sent a previous version of this description to xen-users, but I wasn't able to find a solution yet. Please be aware th

Re: Fwd: Xen backup and restore

2022-12-12 Thread Andy Smith
or here. I'm going to assume that when you restore the storage of a domU you don't care if you have to reboot it. Pretty much your only options are similar to if you weren't using Xen. Just treat the domU as a machine by itself. You're using LVM so you could use LVM snapshots.

Fwd: Xen backup and restore

2022-12-12 Thread Toth Zoltan
Dom0 debian 11 domU debian 11 on LVM volume Xen xen-hypervisor-4.14-amd64 from deb package. I have operated DomU system and other people operated IOT-gateway. I would like create snapshot every day. If they missconfigure something on IOT-gateway I would like restore from saved snapshot the whole

Re: Xen backup and restore

2022-12-10 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Dec 07, 2022 at 09:27:27AM +0100, Toth Zoltan wrote: > I am looking for a solution to backup and restore xen domU under > debian, but I did not anything. What does "backup and restore" mean to you in this context? Describe a scenario and what you would like to ha

Re: Xen backup and restore

2022-12-07 Thread Tim Woodall
On Wed, 7 Dec 2022, Toth Zoltan wrote: Hi Everybody I am looking for a solution to backup and restore xen domU under debian, but I did not anything. How can I save and restore xen virtual machine. I have found "xe" command, but it cant find deb package only rpm :-( Can somobody hel

Xen backup and restore

2022-12-07 Thread Toth Zoltan
Hi Everybody I am looking for a solution to backup and restore xen domU under debian, but I did not anything. How can I save and restore xen virtual machine. I have found "xe" command, but it cant find deb package only rpm :-( Can somobody help me ? Thanks Zoltan

Re: grub-xen-host in bullseye-proposed-updates

2022-09-22 Thread Tom Lew
at my guests start ok. I installed the packages in proposed-updates and also triggered a reboot. Works like a charm. Our Debian 11.5 Xen hypervisors are fully operational, without pinning stuff. Thanks Steve for getting the fix out quickly, You're welcome. I needed a little more time tha

Re: grub-xen-host in bullseye-proposed-updates

2022-09-22 Thread Steve McIntyre
Tim wrote: >Quick followup for those here who like me might have pinned grub, the >fixed version is in bullseye-proposed-updates for those who prefer not >to leave pins lying around forgotten... > >I haven't rebooted the host yet but I can confirm that my guests start >ok. > >Thanks Steve for getti

grub-xen-host in bullseye-proposed-updates

2022-09-22 Thread Tim Woodall
Quick followup for those here who like me might have pinned grub, the fixed version is in bullseye-proposed-updates for those who prefer not to leave pins lying around forgotten... I haven't rebooted the host yet but I can confirm that my guests start ok. Thanks Steve for getting the fix out qui

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/15/22 11:45 AM, Maude Summerside wrote: > > On 2022-09-14 23:23, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/14/2022 11:01 PM, Maude Summerside wrote: > >> > >> On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > >>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > I'll be brutally honest:

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Dan Ritter
Maude Summerside wrote: > > > On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" > >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers > >> to spen

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 23:23, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/14/2022 11:01 PM, Maude Summerside wrote: >> >> On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" unwilligness

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Jude DaShiell
Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Wed, 14 Sep 2022, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Stefan wrote: > In article you > write: > >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" ob

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 11:01 PM, Maude Summerside wrote: > > On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" > >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volun

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers >> to spend their time on issues. > > Especiall

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/22 6:16 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Stefan wrote: > In article you > write: > >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, > >> possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to > >> apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > > > >I think t

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers to spend their time on issues. Especially when it's an ongoing pattern of discourse.

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 17:06, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 14.09.22 um 18:39 schrieb Maude Summerside: >> This is where intellectual shortcut starts... >> Free/OSS doesn't mean GPL. >> There's plenty of Free/OSS software that the copyright owner retains >> right to commercial licensing. Just look at librar

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
Stefan wrote: In article you write: >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, >> possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to >> apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > >I think there's a confusion here: these volunteers will also have >"

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 14.09.22 um 18:39 schrieb Maude Summerside: This is where intellectual shortcut starts... Free/OSS doesn't mean GPL. There's plenty of Free/OSS software that the copyright owner retains right to commercial licensing. Just look at libraries, some of them will be in such a licensing term that if

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 08:31, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> For example, most web >>> browsers are based on chromium, a free oss project that comes in large part >>> from >>> Google, but some of the most-used browsers in the world based on chromium >>> are proprietary, such as chrome and edge. >> I am no

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
People of debian-user :) This thread does seem to be degenerating slightly into accusations and name-calling, justified or not. Without prejudice to anyone: please may I remind you that debian-user and all Debian lists and IRC channels are subject to the Debian Code of Conduct. It would be very m

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 9:06 AM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2022-09-14 at 08:51, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > > On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >> > >> [...] > >> > >>> Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it b

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 7:11 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > > > > I am fairly sure I was a victim of > > the breach of Yahoo that affected hundreds of millions of its users. > I am sorry for you. I do not know this case, so I cannot tell whether > OSS or CSS c

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-14 at 08:51, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is >>> Linus Torvalds [...] >> >> I don't k

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > [...] > > > Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is > > Linus Torvalds [...] > > I don't know what your aim is. > > I have the impression that it's j

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 7:08 AM, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > > > Please STOP! > > > > > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not > > > like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your > > > translations than by

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 7:11 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > On 9/13/2022 4:14 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > > I think Megha is emphasizing, and possibly over-emphasizing, the fact > > that the persons > > who actually commit the code in free software projects can

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 6:47 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > If free/oss projects like Debian want to provide software with those > > positive characteristics to their users, those projects must have in > > place some level of oversight over what the persons who actually write > > the software actually do, or d

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:38 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > The users. They stop using software or any product that does not work > > well or is more trouble than it is worth. Then the entity, whether > > a free/oss or proprietary provider ends up shutting down > > the enterprise. > > But, being Free Software,

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread debian-user
> On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > > Please STOP! > > > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not > > like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your > > translations than by writing to this mailing-list I agree with the sentiments of annoy

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is > Linus Torvalds [...] I don't know what your aim is. I have the impression that it's just arguing for arguing's sake [1]. My time is too short to t

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: On 9/13/2022 4:14 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: I think Megha is emphasizing, and possibly over-emphasizing, the fact that the persons who actually commit the code in free software projects can operate with little or no oversight when they are just vo

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Larry Martell
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 3:48 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > If free/oss projects like Debian want to provide software with those > > positive characteristics to their users, those projects must have in > > place some level of oversight over what the persons who actually write > > the software actu

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:31 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, > > possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to > > apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > > I think there's a confusion here: these volunteers will a

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:14 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 12.09.22 um 19:47 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > "Open Source Software is accessible to all means it can be used and > > misused. > > And, that’s where it turns unconstructive for us. With OSS, we can expect > > harm, > > virus transfer, identity bu

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 12.09.22 um 19:47 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: "Open Source Software is accessible to all means it can be used and misused. And, that’s where it turns unconstructive for us. With OSS, we can expect harm, virus transfer, identity burglary, and many other malicious practices to hurt the process

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > Please STOP! > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not like this. > you will better contribute with your code or with your translations than by > writing to this mailing-list The problem is, with all due respect, that I do h

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread err404
Please STOP! you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your translations than by writing to this mailing-list I want you kicked from this list.

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 2:33 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 02:14:38PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >So do you, obviously. Someone said something that raised that question in my > >mind, > >but you deleted that part from this message, which proves you are the one > >who has > >an ax

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 02:14:38PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: So do you, obviously. Someone said something that raised that question in my mind, but you deleted that part from this message, which proves you are the one who has an ax to grind by not answering the question that has been raise

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 2:02 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:42:12PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >Software projects today, IIUC, are communities. The "volunteers" should do > >what the community > >wants, not necessarily what you or I want. Do you think the free/oss > >software co

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:42:12PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: Software projects today, IIUC, are communities. The "volunteers" should do what the community wants, not necessarily what you or I want. Do you think the free/oss software community wants volunteers who ignore bugs or refuse to f

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Tim Woodall
On Tue, 13 Sep 2022, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: I agree with that. But the price-performance ratio could be even better if the "volunteers" in free/oss software projects were not free to ignore bugs reported to them. Pretty much everything worked for this grub bug other than some unfortunate se

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 12:36 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > [...] > > > I agree with that. But the price-performance ratio could be even better if > > the "volunteers" > > in free/oss software projects were not free to ignore bugs reported

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > I agree with that. But the price-performance ratio could be even better if > the "volunteers" > in free/oss software projects were not free to ignore bugs reported to them. Hm. I doubt that. Perhaps they will do more what

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 11:53 AM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > >> > >> > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with en

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 11:44 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > > > > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > SLAs for free" If the requirement that maintai

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > > > SLAs for free" > > If the require

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > > SLAs for free" If the requirement that maintainers and developers of free/oss software must actually fix the

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread tomas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > SLAs for free" Had I a printer, I'd print out this, frame it and hang it on the wall. This makes the point very nicely :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Descriptio

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/22 3:32 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >Well, I suppose so, but I am pleased that a grub maintainer is now on the > >case. Still, > >there is another Debian bug that affects me that continues to be ignored, so > >I admit > >I

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: Well, I suppose so, but I am pleased that a grub maintainer is now on the case. Still, there is another Debian bug that affects me that continues to be ignored, so I admit I have an attitude about that. I accept that what is of g

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-12 at 14:50, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 1:58 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2022-09-12 at 13:47, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> I wish to merely point out that what is often said about the >>> advantages and disadvantages of free, open-source software that >>> is maintained

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
do not have the time or interest to fix it. > >>> Perhaps the Xen users could try to convince the Xen maintainers > >>> to do an nmu to fix it if the grub maintainers continue to ignore > >>> the bug, but I don't know if that breaks the etiquette that > >

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread tomas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > [...] A disadvantage is that often the priorities of the developers who > release > free, open source software are not always the same as the priorities of any > particular > user [...] This might have been different bac

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-12 at 13:47, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 12:14 PM, David Wright wrote: > >> On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> The grub maintainers do not have the time or interest to fix it. >>> Perhaps the Xen users

Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
e is a grub maintainer and now he is looking at the bug, and that is a good and encouraging fact. > > > The grub maintainers > > do not have the time or interest to fix it. Perhaps the Xen users could try > > to > > convince the Xen maintainers to do an nmu to fix it if the grub

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 12:55 AM, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 01:15:47 (+0200), Tom Lew wrote: > > > This is my first post, bear with me.. > > > > > > Package "grub-xen-host"

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/2022 12:55 AM, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 01:15:47 (+0200), Tom Lew wrote: > > This is my first post, bear with me.. > > > > Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV > > domains on my Xen server, after &quo

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-11 Thread David Wright
On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 01:15:47 (+0200), Tom Lew wrote: > This is my first post, bear with me.. > > Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV > domains on my Xen server, after "apt upgrade" from 11.4. > > I found https://bugs.debian

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-11 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, Tom Lew wrote: This is my first post, bear with me.. Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV domains on my Xen server, after "apt upgrade" from 11.4. I found https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017944 e

Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-11 Thread Tom Lew
This is my first post, bear with me.. Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV domains on my Xen server, after "apt upgrade" from 11.4. I found https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017944 exactly mirroring my situation, and I won

Re: Re: XEN domU: Guest Rx stalled, unreachable

2022-01-16 Thread Andy Smith
k device naming scheme), > > https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Network_interface_name_migration > > Which version of Debian is that? If it's buster or later, this should > not be a surprise, because it's in the release notes. It's only in the udev that's in sid

Re: Re: XEN domU: Guest Rx stalled, unreachable

2022-01-16 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 10:11:30PM +0100, Felix Odenkirchen wrote: > A udev update changed the interface name for virtual network devices > from "eth0" to "enX0" (using persistent block device naming scheme), https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Network_interface_name_migration Which version of De

Re: Re: XEN domU: Guest Rx stalled, unreachable

2022-01-16 Thread Felix Odenkirchen
Hi Felix, It looks to me like a change in one of the systemd or udev packages in vm-sid is causing the trouble here. In my experience with Debian, the networking startup stuff is not so straightforward, but I do know that systemd and udev are the software components responsible for setting up the

Re: XEN domU: Guest Rx stalled, unreachable

2022-01-16 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 1/16/2022 7:16 AM, Felix Odenkirchen wrote: Dear all, I'm running a stock Debian SID vm on xen, hostname "vm-sid". Dom0 is on stock Debian Bullseye, hostname "bigiron-one". apt updating vm-sid packages on 2022-01-13 08:11:00 UTC rendered vm-sid unaccessible over net

XEN domU: Guest Rx stalled, unreachable

2022-01-16 Thread Felix Odenkirchen
Dear all, I'm running a stock Debian SID vm on xen, hostname "vm-sid". Dom0 is on stock Debian Bullseye, hostname "bigiron-one". apt updating vm-sid packages on 2022-01-13 08:11:00 UTC rendered vm-sid unaccessible over network upon reboot. Updated packages: bsdutils

Re: telling if we've actually booted from /boot/xen-4.14-amd64.gz

2021-12-12 Thread Tim Woodall
On Sun, 12 Dec 2021, Tim Woodall wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2021, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Tim, On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:11:04PM +, Tim Woodall wrote: Is there a simple way to tell if the kernel/hypervisor that was used to boot is the one currently installed in /boot. I do not do this - I bui

Re: telling if we've actually booted from /boot/xen-4.14-amd64.gz

2021-12-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 dec 21, 10:42:56, Charles Curley wrote: > On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 05:52:30 + (GMT) > Tim Woodall wrote: > > > I don't use that but I do something similar. Does unattended-upgrades > > email me each day until I reboot? > > Not every day, but every day when an upgrade is applied it email

Re: telling if we've actually booted from /boot/xen-4.14-amd64.gz

2021-12-11 Thread Tim Woodall
On Sun, 12 Dec 2021, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Tim, On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:11:04PM +, Tim Woodall wrote: Is there a simple way to tell if the kernel/hypervisor that was used to boot is the one currently installed in /boot. I do not do this - I build my own hypervisor packages when there i

Re: telling if we've actually booted from /boot/xen-4.14-amd64.gz

2021-12-11 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Tim, On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:11:04PM +, Tim Woodall wrote: > Is there a simple way to tell if the kernel/hypervisor that was used to > boot is the one currently installed in /boot. I do not do this - I build my own hypervisor packages when there is an upstream XSA that affects me and th

Re: telling if we've actually booted from /boot/xen-4.14-amd64.gz

2021-12-11 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 20:14:36 -0700 Charles Curley wrote: > If you are using the unattended-upgrades package, you can set it to > send you emails. Those emails will let you know which packages are > upgraded, and if a reboot is required. See > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades. I neglecte

Re: telling if we've actually booted from /boot/xen-4.14-amd64.gz

2021-12-11 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 05:52:30 + (GMT) Tim Woodall wrote: > I don't use that but I do something similar. Does unattended-upgrades > email me each day until I reboot? Not every day, but every day when an upgrade is applied it emails you, and tells you that a reboot is pending. -- Does anybody

Re: telling if we've actually booted from /boot/xen-4.14-amd64.gz

2021-12-10 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 10 Dec 2021, Charles Curley wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 22:11:04 + (GMT) Tim Woodall wrote: Is there a good way to do what I want (which is to avoid missing an automatic upgrade and then not rebooting for months)? If you are using the unattended-upgrades package, you can set it t

Re: telling if we've actually booted from /boot/xen-4.14-amd64.gz

2021-12-10 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 22:11:04 + (GMT) Tim Woodall wrote: > Is there a good way to do what I want (which is to avoid missing an > automatic upgrade and then not rebooting for months)? If you are using the unattended-upgrades package, you can set it to send you emails. Those emails will let you

telling if we've actually booted from /boot/xen-4.14-amd64.gz

2021-12-10 Thread Tim Woodall
Is there a simple way to tell if the kernel/hypervisor that was used to boot is the one currently installed in /boot. I have a script that emails me when it detects a mismatch and it's broken with the latest bullseye xen hypervisor. I was grepping for major.minor.release (from /sys/hyper

Xen VGA passthrough working again in Debian stable!

2021-04-23 Thread Fr. Chuck Zmudzinski, C.P.M.
An old bug (#776742) reported over six years ago by Brian Paterni concerns Xen and VGA passthrough for full graphics performance in a virtual machine, and it was recently closed without being solved. About seven years ago, Xen had the best support for this feature but it has broken for a long

Xen VGA passthrough working again in Debian stable!

2021-04-23 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
An old bug (#776742) reported over six years ago by Brian Paterni concerns Xen and VGA passthrough for full graphics performance in a virtual machine, and it was recently closed without being solved. About seven years ago, Xen had the best support for this feature but it has broken for a long

Re: Unable to boot on Xen HVM + OVMF

2021-02-25 Thread John Mok
Hi Didier, Yes, I set BIOS='ovmf', and the Debian installation showed UEFI installer. Best regards, On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 3:47 PM didier gaumet wrote: > > Le 25/02/2021 à 14:03, John Mok a écrit : > [...] > > I think it is related to Xen HVM + OVMF. > > > &g

Re: Unable to boot on Xen HVM + OVMF

2021-02-25 Thread didier gaumet
Le 25/02/2021 à 14:03, John Mok a écrit : [...] I think it is related to Xen HVM + OVMF. Anyone has an idea what went wrong ? Hello, did you use the "bios='ovmf'" option in the xl.cfg file of your Debian Xen guest? By default, even if OVMF is installed/present on you

Re: Unable to boot on Xen HVM + OVMF

2021-02-25 Thread John Mok
Hi didier, Thanks for prompt reply. I installed Debian Buster with UEFI boot on my ThinkPad P52 successfully without any boot problem. I think it is related to Xen HVM + OVMF. Anyone has an idea what went wrong ? Thanks. John Mok On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 16:50 didier gaumet wrote: > >

Re: Unable to boot on Xen HVM + OVMF

2021-02-24 Thread didier gaumet
I have never used Xen but I use Qemu/KVM via virtmanager on a Debian 10 host. I have installed several UEFI (OVMF) booting guest OSes, including Debian with no particular problem. The problem of your Debian guest not booting could be caused by the Debian installer not being run in UEFI

Unable to boot on Xen HVM + OVMF

2021-02-23 Thread John Mok
Hi, Tried to install Buster on Xen HVM + OVMF. Installation completed successfully, but unable to boot (Windows HVM guest has no boot problem). Re-install Buster with BIOS and boot succeeded. OVMF boot NOT supported on Debian ? I hope someone could point me in the right direction. Best regards

Re: I would like some assistance filing two xen related bugs

2020-06-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 01:42:02PM +0200, Daniel Widenfalk wrote: > I would very much appreciate some quick pointers on how to properly report > this so that I don't have to dig up my posts to the xen users mailing list > to figure out something I already should know. X

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