Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 05:40:38PM +1000, Julian De Marchi wrote: > Serena Cantor wrote: >> Thanks! Could you give me a list of programs that start automatically? Do >> you mean that there's >> nothing I can do about it? Run top when the noise starts. Could be anacron kicking in. Does it happen 5

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-13 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-09-07 00:15:34, schrieb Serena Cantor: > Could you be more specific? > > Supporse I have just installed sarge, which script are read/writing disk from > time to time (so I > can change it)? At which time? Maybe it is the cronjob for the find db? I gabe a SCSI-System with 96 drives of 3

Re: (solved) Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-10 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 8, 2007, at 1:45 AM, David wrote: I use gmail, and I have a mail filter which says 'if the "to" contains debian.org, then tag with "debian" and bypass the inbox'. Filters like that make your mail much more manageable :-) I find it's more reliable to filter on the "List-Id" header. -

Re: mail filters (was Re: (solved) Re: why sarge is so noisy)

2007-09-09 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:33:13 +0200 David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I use gmail, and I have a mail filter which says 'if the "to" > > > contains debian.org, then tag with "debian" and bypass the > > > inbox'. Filters like that make your mail much more manageable :-) > > > > This is a flawed s

Re: mail filters (was Re: (solved) Re: why sarge is so noisy)

2007-09-08 Thread David
> > I use gmail, and I have a mail filter which says 'if the "to" > > contains debian.org, then tag with "debian" and bypass the > > inbox'. Filters like that make your mail much more manageable :-) > > This is a flawed strategy, because debian-user@lists.debian.org > might be in the CC list. Or e

mail filters (was Re: (solved) Re: why sarge is so noisy)

2007-09-08 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/08/07 03:45, David wrote: > On 9/8/07, Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No. I don't expect my question generate so many replies. I have >> to sign off the list so I wrote "solved" in the hope of stoping >> good guys answering my quest

Re: (solved) Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-08 Thread David
On 9/8/07, Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No. I don't expect my question generate so many replies. I have to sign off > the list so I wrote > "solved" in the hope of stoping good guys answering my question again. Might I suggest setting up mail filters so that list-related mails go d

Re: (solved) Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fat chance. We *love* discussing this kind of thing. On 09/07/07 18:06, Serena Cantor wrote: > No. I don't expect my question generate so many replies. I have > to sign off the list so I wrote "solved" in the hope of stoping > good guys answering m

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/07/07 18:04, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Friday 07 September 2007, Serena Cantor wrote: >> Thanks! I don't create swap partition during installation. > > I don't know if Debian uses a swap file or not. Someone else would > know. If so, then you m

Re: (solved) Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Serena Cantor
No. I don't expect my question generate so many replies. I have to sign off the list so I wrote "solved" in the hope of stoping good guys answering my question again. I'm considering moving sarge to another room and setting up WLAN. --- Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 07 Sep

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 07 September 2007, Serena Cantor wrote: > Thanks! I don't create swap partition during installation. I don't know if Debian uses a swap file or not. Someone else would know. If so, then you might still be hearing noise from swapping. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTE

(solved)Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Serena Cantor
Thanks! I'm considering moving it to another room. --- David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2007, at 2:42 AM, Serena Cantor wrote: > > > Thanks! "most of server-related work" are very specialized program > > I wrote myself. > > > > another example: seeding in bittorrent, if

Re: (solved) Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 07 September 2007, Serena Cantor wrote: > Thanks! So did you locate one program in particular that was creating most of the noise? Others might want to know that answer at some point. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Conta

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Serena Cantor
Thanks! I don't create swap partition during installation. --- Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 07 September 2007, Serena Cantor wrote: > > Thanks! "most of server-related work" are very specialized program I > > wrote myself. > > > > another example: seeding in bittorrent, if m

(solved) Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Serena Cantor
Thanks! --- David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/7/07, Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) > > The machine is my bedroom and scsi disk make noise from time to time (it's > > read/writing) > > > > which script cause reading/writing? Le

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Mumia W..
On 09/07/2007 02:33 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: [...] There's a good summary of the arguments for and against tweaking it here: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 2.4.x didn't have any way to tune this. But the virtual memory system in 2.4.x has so many unpleasant behaviors, anyway, that I'd real

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Mumia W..
On 09/07/2007 02:34 PM, Andrea S. Gozzi wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 13:40 -0500, Mumia W.. wrote: On 09/07/2007 11:58 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: Also, Linux is very aggressive about swapping out idle pages. (Some would even say too aggressive.) Even if you have what you think is plenty of RAM

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Andrea S. Gozzi
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 13:40 -0500, Mumia W.. wrote: > On 09/07/2007 11:58 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: > > > > Also, Linux is very aggressive about swapping out idle pages. (Some > > would even say too aggressive.) Even if you have what you think is > > plenty of RAM, it's quite likely Linux will

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 7, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Mumia W.. wrote: On 09/07/2007 11:58 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: Also, Linux is very aggressive about swapping out idle pages. (Some would even say too aggressive.) Even if you have what you think is plenty of RAM, it's quite likely Linux will swap out some stu

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Mumia W..
On 09/07/2007 11:58 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: Also, Linux is very aggressive about swapping out idle pages. (Some would even say too aggressive.) Even if you have what you think is plenty of RAM, it's quite likely Linux will swap out some stuff in order to make more room for the disk cache.

[OT] questions (was Re: why sarge is so noisy)

2007-09-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/07/07 10:50, Hal Vaughan wrote: [snip] > > Can we at least offer suggestions or explain why a question is silly? A truly valid question. > Personally, as someone who spent a decade or more teaching, much of that > time in special ed, /Specia

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread cls
[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Serena Cantor wrote: > I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) > The machine is my bedroom and scsi disk make noise from time to time (it's > read/writing) > > which script cause reading/writing? Le

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 7, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Friday 07 September 2007, Serena Cantor wrote: Thanks! "most of server-related work" are very specialized program I wrote myself. another example: seeding in bittorrent, if memory is big enough and file being served is small enough. Also, de

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 7, 2007, at 2:42 AM, Serena Cantor wrote: Thanks! "most of server-related work" are very specialized program I wrote myself. another example: seeding in bittorrent, if memory is big enough and file being served is small enough. Since things seem to have veered off topic, I'll giv

Re: [OT] Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 07 September 2007, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 09/07/07 01:45, Serena Cantor wrote: > >> I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) The machine is > > > > Sarge? Isn't that slightly Jurassic? > > I don

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 07 September 2007, Serena Cantor wrote: > Thanks! "most of server-related work" are very specialized program I > wrote myself. > > another example: seeding in bittorrent, if memory is big enough and > file being served is small enough. Also, depending on RAM size, even if you think every

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 07 September 2007, Julian De Marchi wrote: > Serena Cantor wrote: > > Thanks! Could you give me a list of programs that start > > automatically? Do you mean that there's nothing I can do about it? > > > > Silly question. No, it isn't and if you want to actually help someone instead of j

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Miles Fidelman
Serena Cantor wrote: Thanks! Could you give me a list of programs that start automatically? Do you mean that there's nothing I can do about it? My sarge is intended to be server, hopefully, most of server-related work I add can be done in memory. Do you run a mail server on it? Send/recei

[OT] Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/07/07 01:45, Serena Cantor wrote: I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) The machine is Sarge? Isn't that slightly Jurassic? I don't know, I'm still running it on a couple of production servers. I

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/07/07 01:45, Serena Cantor wrote: > I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) The machine is Sarge? Isn't that slightly Jurassic? > my bedroom and scsi disk make noise from time to time (it's > read/writing) SCSI disks, especially old

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread David
On 9/7/07, Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) > The machine is my bedroom and scsi disk make noise from time to time (it's > read/writing) > > which script cause reading/writing? Let's assume it's default installation. I > don't start any

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Serena Cantor
Thanks! "most of server-related work" are very specialized program I wrote myself. another example: seeding in bittorrent, if memory is big enough and file being served is small enough. --- Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 07 September 2007, Serena Cantor wrote: > > Thanks!

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread arahjakult
Ari Constancio pisze: Hi, I would ask the same. What is a 'server' doing in a bedroom? Servers belong to the 'server room' and they are usually noisy (and expected to do something frequently). Ari Constancio OT ? It's not your problem where the server stands. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Ari Constancio
> Could be anything. There's a dozen processes runing on that machine at any > given time, and any of them may access some files anytime. smbd for instance > checks its configuration file every minute or so, and there may be other > services that do likewise. > > BTW, if this machine is a server

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Jochen Schulz
Julian De Marchi: > Serena Cantor wrote: >> Thanks! Could you give me a list of programs that start automatically? Do >> you mean that there's >> nothing I can do about it? > > > > Silly question. No, it's not a silly question. Serena, of course you can do something about it. It's linux, afte

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 07 September 2007, Serena Cantor wrote: > Thanks! Could you give me a list of programs that start > automatically? Do you mean that there's nothing I can do about it? Why not try "ps -ax" or "ps -aux" to get a list of programs running at any time? Then examine the crontab files as well

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Julian De Marchi
Serena Cantor wrote: Thanks! Could you give me a list of programs that start automatically? Do you mean that there's nothing I can do about it? Silly question. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Serena Cantor
Thanks! Could you give me a list of programs that start automatically? Do you mean that there's nothing I can do about it? My sarge is intended to be server, hopefully, most of server-related work I add can be done in memory. --- Dan H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:45:05

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Juha Tuuna
On Friday, 7. September 2007 09:45, Serena Cantor wrote: > I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) > The machine is my bedroom and scsi disk make noise from time to time (it's > read/writing) > > which script cause reading/writing? Let's assume it's default installation. > I don't start a

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Serena Cantor
Could you be more specific? Supporse I have just installed sarge, which script are read/writing disk from time to time (so I can change it)? --- Adrian Levi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/7/07, Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) > >

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Dan H
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) > The machine is my bedroom and scsi disk make noise from time to > time (it's read/writing) > > which script cause reading/writing? Let's assume it's default > ins

Re: why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-07 Thread Adrian Levi
On 9/7/07, Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) > The machine is my bedroom and scsi disk make noise from time to time (it's > read/writing) > > which script cause reading/writing? Let's assume it's default installation. I > don't start any

why sarge is so noisy

2007-09-06 Thread Serena Cantor
I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) The machine is my bedroom and scsi disk make noise from time to time (it's read/writing) which script cause reading/writing? Let's assume it's default installation. I don't start any program myself. ___