Re: where is mail.log

On Monday, December 2, 2024 4:04:12 PM CET, Andy Smith wrote: Unfortunately rather common practice though even before systemd-journald of course: Exim, Apache HTTPD Server, HAProxy, … (some of these CAN be configured to log to syslog, it's just not their default state) iirc, and the referenced

Re: where is mail.log

On Tue Dec 3, 2024 at 3:11 AM GMT, Greg Wooledge wrote: What I don't know, and don't think anyone on this list knows, is why *Debian* chose to toss the human-readable separate text log files away in favor of the systemd monolithic binary journal. The bug that documents rsyslog moving from prior

Re: where is mail.log

On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 10:00:27 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > systemd for Administrators, Part XIII > Posted on Fr 18 Mai 2012 > Log and Service Status > > > The original reason we started to work on the journal was one specific > > featu

Re: where is mail.log

On 30/11/2024 03:29, Greg Wooledge wrote: Now, you might ask why the systemd journal is being preferred and kept over human-readable log files. I don't think anyone on debian-user knows the answer to this. systemd for Administrators, P

Re: where is mail.log

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 5:32 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:51:40PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote: > > > The version of systemd in trixie (and also in sid) is 257 according > > > to packages.debian.org. > > > > > > I don't know whether that's the version trixie is going to use up

Re: where is mail.log

Hello, On Mon, Dec 02, 2024 at 01:08:52PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > We do not want a different logging system for each daemon. Unfortunately rather common practice though even before systemd-journald of course: Exim, Apache HTTPD Server, HAProxy, … (some of these CAN be configured to log to

Re: where is mail.log

Michael (12024-12-02): > postfix has its own logging mechanism: Making postfix part of the problem: different format for timestamps, separate rotation and retention configuration, etc. We do not want a different editor and build system for each programming platform. We do not want a different p

Re: where is mail.log

poc...@homemail.com writes: > You did not comprehend what I posted. I am on the systemd mail list. > They have dropped all sysV support. Does it really even matter if there's SysV support in systemd? You can still put ExecStart=your-sysv-init-script start in your systemd service file and I don

Re: where is mail.log

since noone mentioned it: postfix has its own logging mechanism: https://www.postfix.org/MAILLOG_README.html greetings...

Re: where is mail.log and the changing Linux ecosystem

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:09:54PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Dec 01, 2024 at 11:02:07 +1100, George at Clug wrote: > > Is there a "list of coming major design changing in Linux" somewhere on the > > Internet? Could make my life easier if there was. > > I would just like to point out t

Re: where is mail.log and the changing Linux ecosystem

On Sunday, 01-12-2024 at 11:09 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Dec 01, 2024 at 11:02:07 +1100, George at Clug wrote: > > Is there a "list of coming major design changing in Linux" somewhere on the > > Internet? Could make my life easier if there was. > > I would just like to point out that ther

Re: where is mail.log and the changing Linux ecosystem

On Sun, Dec 01, 2024 at 11:02:07 +1100, George at Clug wrote: > Is there a "list of coming major design changing in Linux" somewhere on the > Internet? Could make my life easier if there was. I would just like to point out that there isn't a single "Linux ecosystem". There are many Linux-based d

Re: where is mail.log and the changing Linux ecosystem

On Sunday, 01-12-2024 at 06:12 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:56:08PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > > Hello, > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:51:40PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote: > > > > The version of systemd in trixie (and also in sid) is 257 according > > > > to packages.

Re: where is mail.log

On Saturday 30 November 2024 08:37:03 am Nicolas George wrote: > Greg Wooledge (12024-11-29): > > Now, you might ask why the systemd journal is being preferred and kept > > over human-readable log files. I don't think anyone on debian-user > > knows the answer to this. > > The answer is certainly

Re: where is mail.log

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:56:08PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:51:40PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote: > > > The version of systemd in trixie (and also in sid) is 257 according > > > to packages.debian.org. > > > > > > I don't know whether that's the version trixie

Re: where is mail.log

Hello, On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:51:40PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote: > > The version of systemd in trixie (and also in sid) is 257 according > > to packages.debian.org. > > > > I don't know whether that's the version trixie is going to use upon > > release, but if it is, then your v258 cutoff won

Re: where is mail.log

> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 1:33 PM > From: "Greg Wooledge" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: where is mail.log > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 19:16:16 +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote: > > Yes I do know what systemd-sysv is for

Re: where is mail.log

Hi, On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:16:16PM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote: > > From: to...@tuxteam.de > > Why all of Debian? As a SysV init user, I, of course, don't > > have (nor had, ever) that package. That one is for systemd > > users wishing some SysV backward compatibility. > > And that "SysV

Re: where is mail.log

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 19:16:16 +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote: > Yes I do know what systemd-sysv is for (I run my own custom distribution). > > * Support for System V service scripts is deprecated and will be > removed in v258. Please make sure to update your software > *now* t

Re: where is mail.log

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:16:16PM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote: [...] > And that "SysV backward compatibility" has been eliminated from systemd Exactly. Thus, as a SysV init user, I don't need that package. Actually, it would be counterproductive for me to install it... > > I have the impr

Re: where is mail.log

> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 12:58 PM > From: to...@tuxteam.de > To: "Scott Andrews" > Cc: "Andy Smith" , debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: where is mail.log > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:31:56PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote: >

Re: where is mail.log

Hi, On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:31:56PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote: > > From: "Andy Smith" > > Yes, that is what is being said: it is still possible to run Debian > > without systemd. People are doing it. There are package maintainers that > > wish to let people do it. Surprise! It's a funny old w

Re: where is mail.log

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:31:56PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote: [...] > LOL No, just No Strong emotions, but... why? [...] > systemd-sysv 252.31-1~deb12u1 > ^^ > Gone not longer supported Why all of Debian? As a SysV init user, I, of course, don't have (nor had, ev

Re: where is mail.log

> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 11:54 AM > From: "Andy Smith" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: where is mail.log > > Hi, > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 01:31:12PM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote: > > You did not comprehend what

Re: where is mail.log

Hi, On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 01:31:12PM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote: > You did not comprehend what I posted. I think it is you who are having problems reading. > I am on the systemd mail list. > They have dropped all sysV support. > The only way you'll have init script support is if you rip

Re: differences between sysvinit and systemd; was: where is mail.log

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 13:03:32 +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > # awk '{ if($5 ~ "^postfix[[]") { print } }'

Re: where is mail.log

On 11/30/24 6:55 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 7:33 AM From: "Bitfox" To: poc...@homemail.com Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: where is mail.log On 2024-11-30 20:31, poc...@homemail.com wrote: You did not comprehend what I posted

Re: where is mail.log

Bitfox (12024-11-30): > May I ask what's the main difference between systemd and sysv for init > system? SysV Init is a bunch of fragile shell scripts with 80% boilerplate code that will misbehave at the first unexpected circumstance and cannot even tell you if your daemon has crashed or is runnin

Re: where is mail.log

Greg Wooledge (12024-11-29): > Now, you might ask why the systemd journal is being preferred and kept > over human-readable log files. I don't think anyone on debian-user > knows the answer to this. The answer is certainly the same as for the rest of systemd: the old system had terrible flaws and

Re: differences between sysvinit and systemd; was: where is mail.log

On 30 Nov 2024 20:33 +0800, from bit...@secubox.org (Bitfox): > May I ask what's the main difference between systemd and sysv for init > system? I think it's fair to say that systemd does a great deal more, as well as that it brings things into the init system which have traditionally been done by

Re: where is mail.log

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 08:33:34PM +0800, Bitfox wrote: > On 2024-11-30 20:31, poc...@homemail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > You did not comprehend what I posted. I am on the systemd mail list. > > They have dropped all sysV support. > > May I ask what's the main difference between systemd and sy

Re: where is mail.log

> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 7:33 AM > From: "Bitfox" > To: poc...@homemail.com > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: where is mail.log > > On 2024-11-30 20:31, poc...@homemail.com wrote: > > >> > > > > You did not c

Re: where is mail.log

On 2024-11-30 20:31, poc...@homemail.com wrote: You did not comprehend what I posted. I am on the systemd mail list. They have dropped all sysV support. May I ask what's the main difference between systemd and sysv for init system?

Re: where is mail.log

> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 1:37 AM > From: to...@tuxteam.de > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: where is mail.log > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 10:36:50PM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote: > > [...] > > > Because systemd is the init

Re: where is mail.log

On Friday, 29-11-2024 at 21:30 Bitfox wrote: > On 2024-11-29 10:08, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 19:13:12 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > >> Bitfox wrote: > >> > My OS is debian 12 without GUI. > >> > > >> > After I installed postifx by apt, I can't find the path to mail.log. > >>

Re: where is mail.log

On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 10:36:50PM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote: [...] > Because systemd is the init system on most all distributions. It's the default, though, which is fine. That said, you can still use SysV instead. Some assembly needed. > Get used to it. Or apply some assembly. > Debi

Re: where is mail.log

On 11/29/24 15:29, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 15:13:24 -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: On Thursday 28 November 2024 07:15:48 pm Greg Wooledge wrote: Install the rsyslog package also. This will give you traditional, human-readable log files in /var/log/. Without that packa

Re: where is mail.log

> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2024 at 3:13 PM > From: "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: where is mail.log > > On Thursday 28 November 2024 07:15:48 pm Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 08:07:20 +0800, Bit

Re: where is mail.log

Hi, On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 03:13:24PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > What's gained by them having changed this? (I wonder that about a lot of > stuff.) Most people don't need anything but the journal and if they do it's work of seconds to install rsyslogd (and I do), as seen in this thre

Re: where is mail.log

On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 15:13:24 -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Thursday 28 November 2024 07:15:48 pm Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Install the rsyslog package also. This will give you traditional, > > human-readable log files in /var/log/. > > > > Without that package, all of your logs live

Re: where is mail.log

On Thursday 28 November 2024 07:15:48 pm Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 08:07:20 +0800, Bitfox wrote: > > After I installed postifx by apt, I can't find the path to mail.log. > > > > the log file in /var/log doesn't exist. > > > > do you know where is my mail.log now? > > Install

Re: where is mail.log

On 2024-11-29 10:08, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 19:13:12 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: Bitfox wrote: > My OS is debian 12 without GUI. > > After I installed postifx by apt, I can't find the path to mail.log. > > the log file in /var/log doesn't exist. > > do you know where is my mai

Re: where is mail.log

On 2024-11-29 10:08, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 19:13:12 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: Bitfox wrote: > My OS is debian 12 without GUI. > > After I installed postifx by apt, I can't find the path to mail.log. > > the log file in /var/log doesn't exist. > > do you know where is my mai

Re: where is mail.log

Hi, I hope this helps. As other have said, there has been a move to let systemctl manage log files, and we now access the logs via journalctl. That said, I did find this command returned some info: # grep "postfix\|open" /var/log/syslog Nov 29 02:20:35 mail postfix/postfix-script[1522]: start

Re: where is mail.log

On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 19:13:12 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > Bitfox wrote: > > My OS is debian 12 without GUI. > > > > After I installed postifx by apt, I can't find the path to mail.log. > > > > the log file in /var/log doesn't exist. > > > > do you know where is my mail.log now? > > by defaul

Re: where is mail.log

Bitfox wrote: > My OS is debian 12 without GUI. > > After I installed postifx by apt, I can't find the path to mail.log. > > the log file in /var/log doesn't exist. > > do you know where is my mail.log now? by default, it's in /var/log. If it is not there: - does /etc/postfix/*.cf specify so

Re: where is mail.log

On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 08:07:20 +0800, Bitfox wrote: > After I installed postifx by apt, I can't find the path to mail.log. > > the log file in /var/log doesn't exist. > > do you know where is my mail.log now? Install the rsyslog package also. This will give you traditional, human-readable log

where is mail.log

My OS is debian 12 without GUI. After I installed postifx by apt, I can't find the path to mail.log. the log file in /var/log doesn't exist. do you know where is my mail.log now? Thanks.