Re: wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 09:11:27AM +0100, Joe wrote: > turn it off if so configured. Later and later versions of PHP have > become much stricter in many ways, and have offered features like > Perl's optional variable discipline, so many of the Suhosin features are What does "optional variable disc

Re: wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-11 Thread Joe
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 03:56:31 +1000 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > If data is passed via forms or via GET or POST and that data isn't > properly handled by php itself, then it may produce a buffer overrun > situation ... possibly before the data gets passed through to the > webpage code; if this c

Re: wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-11 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 11/04/2013 6:11 PM, Joe wrote: > A working commercial PHP programmer probably could, but I'm not sure it > would help. PHP is a programming language, running on a web server, > which needs to access the server's databases, drives, memory etc. > There's no way it can be made secure, any more than

Re: wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-11 Thread Joe
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:57:03 +1000 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 11/04/2013 3:21 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > > Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >> Yes, but insecure code is so easy to make and even the so called > >> experts are making them. There is even an O'Reilly book that has > >> wrong information tha

Re: wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-10 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 11/04/2013 3:21 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> Yes, but insecure code is so easy to make and even the so called experts >> are making them. There is even an O'Reilly book that has wrong >> information that is leading programmers astray. The protections >> provided by Suhosi

Re: wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Andrew McGlashan wrote: > Yes, but insecure code is so easy to make and even the so called experts > are making them. There is even an O'Reilly book that has wrong > information that is leading programmers astray. The protections > provided by Suhosin in the past may _always_ be required and nece

Re: wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-10 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 11/04/2013 5:40 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: > What I have read (caution unverified) is that the PHP interpreter > isn't intrinsically insecure. It only becomes that way when used with > insecure php code. Which makes sense. Any upstream interpreter > vulnerability would have a CVE number associated

Re: wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Andrew McGlashan wrote: > To cut a long story short, if PHP upstream has incorporated the features > of Suhosin, then we should be fine; is it the final conclusion from that > long thread and all the references from it, that we are in good shape > with 5.4.4 -- better than pre 5.4 with Suhosin? To

Re: wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-10 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi Bob, On 11/04/2013 3:26 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> Now, php5-suhosin provides some real protection against programming >> problems that could very easily exist and it is not uncommon to see >> messages from Debian stable installs reporting bugs / vulnerabilities >> detec

Re: wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Andrew McGlashan wrote: > Now, php5-suhosin provides some real protection against programming > problems that could very easily exist and it is not uncommon to see > messages from Debian stable installs reporting bugs / vulnerabilities > detected by suhosin The question isn't whether the suhos

Re: wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-10 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 01:54:43PM +0200, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > Le Mer 10 avril 2013 12:36, Andrew McGlashan a écrit : > > Will php5-suhosin be re-instated any time soon? > > I have no clue about what instated means :) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/reinstate signature.asc Description: Dig

Re: wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-10 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Mer 10 avril 2013 12:36, Andrew McGlashan a écrit : > Will php5-suhosin be re-instated any time soon? I have no clue about what instated means :) > And if not, what > measures can we take to protect Wheezy servers now? Maybe you can reuse the old package. Check the dependencies, it is possibl

wheezy still missing php5-suhosin

2013-04-10 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, I'm working on a server replacement, the old (current) server is running latest stable release and the new server is running from this downloaded installer ISO: debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso Now, php5-suhosin provides some real protection against programming problems that could