Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 26 iun 13, 10:41:24, låzaro wrote: > In my country, a terrorist plant bombs in hotels long time ago... > > While government check data communicationI I will sleep quiet thinking that > at less, if somebody plan put another bomb, will be not via phone... > > Nobody shoot here, nobody put a

Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-26 Thread låzaro
Thread name: "Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question" Mail number: 4 Date: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 In reply to: Chris Bannister > > > [Please don't top post on this list.] > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 08:05:04PM -0400, låzaro wrote: > > Make yourself

Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-26 Thread låzaro
. Thread name: "Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question" Mail number: 3 Date: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 In reply to: Slavko > > Dňa 25.06.2013 19:32 låzaro wrote / napísal(a): > > Thread name: "Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question" > > Mail number:

Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-25 Thread Chris Bannister
[Please don't top post on this list.] On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 08:05:04PM -0400, låzaro wrote: > Make yourself this question: > > >I'm s important? The CIA is looking for me? > >There have not another way for waste CIA's time and money than look >for me; a Mr. Nobody? >

Re: wacky question

2013-06-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 08:08:11PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > And we tend to get caught up in the wrong battles and find ourselves > converted to their world. And conflate the government's stupidities with > God's intent for us to learn hard lessons. Oh, please! Don't go there. Please read: http://

Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-25 Thread Slavko
Dňa 25.06.2013 19:32 låzaro wrote / napísal(a): > Thread name: "Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question" > Mail number: 2 > Date: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 > In reply to: Slavko >> >> Dňa 25.06.2013 02:05 låzaro wrote / napísal(a): >>> Make yours

Re: wacky question

2013-06-25 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 25/06/13 19:55, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 25 June 2013 17:04:08 Jochen Spieker wrote: > >>> I find this comment very offensive. >> >> Don't worry, you are not alone with this. I guess most people ignore >> messages from the previous poster. > > Nor are you the first person to find his po

Re: wacky question

2013-06-25 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 25 June 2013 17:04:08 Jochen Spieker wrote: > Veljko: > >> Our governments make a lot of evil things without our permissions, but > >> there are reasons for people seek asylum in "evil" countries like the > >> USA, France, Great Britain, Germany etc. ;). Lees people flew from the > >> US

Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-25 Thread låzaro
Thread name: "Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question" Mail number: 2 Date: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 In reply to: Slavko > > Dňa 25.06.2013 02:05 låzaro wrote / napísal(a): > > Make yourself this question: > > > >I'm s important? The CIA

Re: wacky question

2013-06-25 Thread Сту Деус
Good time of the day, Veljko. Thank you, for your time and answer. On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:22:36 +0200 you wrote: > I find this comment very offensive. Governments from USA, Mexico, > Germany or Serbia are pretty much same when it comes to political > freedoms. It's just that some governments are

Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-25 Thread Slavko
Dňa 25.06.2013 02:05 låzaro wrote / napísal(a): > Make yourself this question: > >I'm s important? The CIA is looking for me? There are more questions: How CIA (NSA, FBI, etc) will know, that the mail is from me and because i am not important for them, then they will not scan it?

Re: wacky question

2013-06-25 Thread Jochen Spieker
Veljko: >> Our governments make a lot of evil things without our permissions, but >> there are reasons for people seek asylum in "evil" countries like the >> USA, France, Great Britain, Germany etc. ;). Lees people flew from the >> USA to Mexico or from Germany to Serbia ;). > > I find this commen

Re: wacky question

2013-06-25 Thread Veljko
> Our governments make a lot of evil things without our permissions, but > there are reasons for people seek asylum in "evil" countries like the > USA, France, Great Britain, Germany etc. ;). Lees people flew from the > USA to Mexico or from Germany to Serbia ;). I find this comment very offensive

Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-25 Thread låzaro
hould I stop seen it? After that... you will feel better person and less paranoiac... Thread name: "Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question" Mail number: 6 Date: Thu, Jun 20, 2013 In reply to: Chris Bannister > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 01:08:12PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:11:10 +0200, staticsafe wrote: On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 09:41:24AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 6/25/13, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:28:18 +0100 > Lisi Reisz wrote: > whack >> >> This is an interesting discussion. But perhaps if we want to

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread staticsafe
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 09:41:24AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 6/25/13, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:28:18 +0100 > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > whack > >> > >> This is an interesting discussion. But perhaps if we want to > >> continue we should take it off-list? >

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 6/25/13, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:28:18 +0100 > Lisi Reisz wrote: > whack >> >> This is an interesting discussion. But perhaps if we want to >> continue we should take it off-list? debian-curiosa@lists... perhaps appropriate? Some (such as I) do appreciate some d

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 11:01 -0400, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:28:18 +0100 > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > >>> whack > > > > This is an interesting discussion. But perhaps if we want to > > continue we should take it off-list? > > Please do. I several time tried to switch _this th

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 15:28 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > And disturbing that he could see the seeds so > long ago. Somebody already explained that this is the nature of beings. We didn't change that much, even philosophers 2000 years before Orwell have seen this. > I fear our governnments more tha

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:28:18 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> whack > > This is an interesting discussion. But perhaps if we want to > continue we should take it off-list? Please do. -- cmg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troub

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 24 June 2013 12:57:01 André Nunes Batista wrote: > Since I was the one who first pointed out 1984, I guess I should add > another comment. > > I do not meant we actually live in Orwell's society. I used an hyperbole > as mean to purposefully disregard the differences in fiction and point

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 08:57 -0300, André Nunes Batista wrote: > Germany lost ww2, soviets lost cold war, fascism won them both. Fascism in Germany lose. Germany doesn't suppress other nations anymore, the government doesn't suppress it's own people anymore, we don't have a GDR anymore. Socialism a

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread André Nunes Batista
Since I was the one who first pointed out 1984, I guess I should add another comment. I do not meant we actually live in Orwell's society. I used an hyperbole as mean to purposefully disregard the differences in fiction and point out how far his "distopia" went on to describe something very preval

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 24 June 2013 12:45:25 Lars Noodén wrote: > On 06/24/2013 02:41 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > So it is remarkable that he was able to predict so accurately what would > > be done with computers and CCTV (which had not of course been invented). > > I think some of that has less to do with actua

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Lars Noodén
On 06/24/2013 02:41 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > So it is remarkable that he was able to predict so accurately what would be > done with computers and CCTV (which had not of course been invented). I think some of that has less to do with actual prediction than it has to do with many individuals misi

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 24 June 2013 12:08:11 Joel Rees wrote: > > He was not a scientist, > > You don't have to be a scientist to predict the future. No, but he was not in fact "in the know" about recent scientific developments, nor the way that science was moving. A scientist at the cutting edge might have

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 24 June 2013 01:26:01 Joel Rees wrote: > > !984 and Animal Farm were allegories of the world the authors > > author, singular. There was only one George Orwell. > My goodness. You're right. I suppose it would have helped my memory

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 24 June 2013 01:26:01 Joel Rees wrote: > !984 and Animal Farm were allegories of the world the authors author, singular. There was only one George Orwell. > lived in, not > predictions of some dystopian future. He was not a scientist, and most of the "science" in 1984 did not exist i

Re: wacky question

2013-06-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:55:44 +0200, Slavko wrote: Dňa 24. 6. 2013 2:26 Joel Rees wrote / napísal(a): !984 and Animal Farm were allegories of the world the authors lived in, not predictions of some dystopian future. These two things (author's world and prediction of the future) are not mutua

Re: wacky question

2013-06-23 Thread Slavko
Dňa 24. 6. 2013 2:26 Joel Rees wrote / napísal(a): > !984 and Animal Farm were allegories of the world the authors lived in, not > predictions of some dystopian future. These two things (author's world and prediction of the future) are not mutual exclusive ;-) -- Slavko http://slavino.sk --

Re: wacky question

2013-06-23 Thread Joel Rees
I read through this, and I am wondering why you posted this very carefully crafted troll. If you haven't been aware that the NSA has been going rogue from the beginning of its existence, you haven't been aware of the NSA. Likewise the CIA, FBI, etc., and their equivalents in pretty much every coun

OT: wacky question

2013-06-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-06-23 at 22:13 +0800, lina wrote: > On Saturday 22,June,2013 10:59 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Saturday 22 June 2013 05:39:27 lina wrote: > >> What is dangerous is that people take "hooligan" as "holy fighter", and > >> "gentleman" as "dictator". > > > > Really?? Where?? When?? Can

Re: wacky question

2013-06-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PS: If we were yesterday at the doctor and it was said that we are fit, we anyway can fall dead when we sit up the next minute. There's nothing that is able to cover us. Living isn't secure. In some German cellars not only the telephone lines for the house, but sometimes even for the neighbour hous

Re: wacky question

2013-06-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 08:00 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > [snip] I'm guessing that discussing that there will be going over old > ground for many of the subscribers. [snip] That's the point, it's not that I don't care about this issue, but it's not a new issue, just because there were those "new

Re: wacky question

2013-06-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 05:07:01PM -0400, Greg wrote: > Harmless data like what religious group you descend from? Something that > is considered innocuous today might be considered differently at a later > time by a less tolerant government. > > I think most of this should be dropped or moved else

Re: wacky question

2013-06-23 Thread Stanisław Findeisen
On 2013-06-20 04:44, Greg wrote: > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > backdoor or something that could collect private info in the binary > packages distributed by debian? It all boils down to te

Re: wacky question

2013-06-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-06-23 at 22:13 +0800, lina wrote: > On Saturday 22,June,2013 10:59 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Saturday 22 June 2013 05:39:27 lina wrote: > >> What is dangerous is that people take "hooligan" as "holy fighter", and > >> "gentleman" as "dictator". > > > > Really?? Where?? When?? Can

Re: wacky question

2013-06-23 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 6/23/2013 10:13 AM, lina wrote: On Saturday 22,June,2013 10:59 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 22 June 2013 05:39:27 lina wrote: What is dangerous is that people take "hooligan" as "holy fighter", and "gentleman" as "dictator". Really?? Where?? When?? Can you quote? This sounds bizarr

Re: wacky question

2013-06-23 Thread lina
On Saturday 22,June,2013 10:59 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 22 June 2013 05:39:27 lina wrote: >> What is dangerous is that people take "hooligan" as "holy fighter", and >> "gentleman" as "dictator". > > Really?? Where?? When?? Can you quote? This sounds bizarre to me. > > Lisi > > I

Re: Deterministic Builds (was [Re: wacky question])

2013-06-23 Thread Сту Деус
Good time of the day, Sean. Thank you, for your time and answer. On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 03:32:40 -0400 you wrote: > Has U.S. started an Internet war? Pardon to say, but have you just awoken?! And not only the Internet one! For decades. Сту. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists

Re: wacky question

2013-06-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 22 June 2013 05:39:27 lina wrote: > What is dangerous is that people take "hooligan" as "holy fighter", and > "gentleman" as "dictator". Really?? Where?? When?? Can you quote? This sounds bizarre to me. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 22:24 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 21 June 2013 22:07:01 Greg wrote: > > > I agree with you, but they are still not dangerous for me, since I'm a > > > German. If my own country will get even harmless data, it's different > > > for me. I guess most us aren't from the U

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 17:23 -0400, Greg wrote: > On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 20:40 +0200, Slavko wrote: > > Dňa 20.06.2013 17:12 Greg wrote / napísal(a): > > > > > I'm just wondering what debian does to check and protect its users, so > > > fuck me, right? > > > > Your protection is your responsibilit

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
N O T E : I only cc'ed my reply to Debian user, I switched the thread to d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org . Is this ok? On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 16:52 -0400, Greg wrote: > That might work for an actual terrorist, but I am a citizen and I do > not think it is acceptable to have to act li

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread lina
On Saturday 22,June,2013 05:10 AM, Greg wrote: >>> China and similar countries >>> > > are a problem, because they are dangerous for journalists etc.. >> > >> > Old fashioned spy is out-of-date, and the journalists are doing the real >> > spy things. >> > >> > > Enjoy life on planet party-line,

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread André Nunes Batista
Same here! If you are trying to pursue security without thinking about "trust issues", either you are God or you believe there is one somewhere. Someone who has all knowledge possible. Well, they have designed just their first try on layman's eye. -- Luther Blisset GNUPG/PGP KEY: 6722CF80 I c

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Slavko
Dňa 21.06.2013 23:23 Greg wrote / napísal(a): > On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 20:40 +0200, Slavko wrote: >> Dňa 20.06.2013 17:12 Greg wrote / napísal(a): >> >>> I'm just wondering what debian does to check and protect its users, so >>> fuck me, right? >> >> Your protection is your responsibility. The Deb

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread André Nunes Batista
If you care to open any decent book on computer security, you will note that the first paragraph or so will state clearly that 100% security is impossible, dreamish. Cryptography + free software + steganography are to be used all together, to greatly increase the boundaries. But if you think you w

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 21 June 2013 22:07:01 Greg wrote: > > I agree with you, but they are still not dangerous for me, since I'm a > > German. If my own country will get even harmless data, it's different > > for me. I guess most us aren't from the USA, since this is an > > international mailing list. This thr

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Greg
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 20:40 +0200, Slavko wrote: > Dňa 20.06.2013 17:12 Greg wrote / napísal(a): > > > I'm just wondering what debian does to check and protect its users, so > > fuck me, right? > > Your protection is your responsibility. The Debian (and other OS) can > only help you with this. O

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Greg
On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 00:52 +0800, lina wrote: > On Friday 21,June,2013 12:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > The USA and similar countries IMO aren't dangerous for most of us, since > > I suspect that less of us are terrorists. China and similar countries > > are a problem, because they are dangerous

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Greg
On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 16:36 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 16:22 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Jo, 20 iun 13, 18:41:42, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > > The USA and similar countries IMO aren't dangerous for most of us, since > > > I suspect that less of us are terrorists.

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Greg
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 10:44 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > > Or that a government that murders people... > > I.e., the usual kind. Yes we all hear about how Uganda has fleets of drones stationed in countries throughout the world killing people. There is nothing special about America. > > > ...

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Greg
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 18:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 10:44 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > Governments just don't give a damn about your desktop. Sorry if that > > bruises your ego. They may be interested in your email and Websurfing > > in the unlikely event that you are

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 16:22 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 20 iun 13, 18:41:42, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > The USA and similar countries IMO aren't dangerous for most of us, since > > I suspect that less of us are terrorists. > > Sorry, but I don't accept this argument. Just because we p

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 20 iun 13, 18:41:42, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > The USA and similar countries IMO aren't dangerous for most of us, since > I suspect that less of us are terrorists. Sorry, but I don't accept this argument. Just because we personally may not be targeted is still no excuse to tolerate it when

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 09:23 +0100, Joe wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 01:33:41 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 15:25 -0700, Scott Linnenbringer wrote: > > > Facebook stores every wall post, private message, photo, etc even > > > after you remove from wall, delete or untag. >

Re: wacky question

2013-06-21 Thread Joe
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 01:33:41 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 15:25 -0700, Scott Linnenbringer wrote: > > Facebook stores every wall post, private message, photo, etc even > > after you remove from wall, delete or untag. > > In some countries this is forbidden. > Meaning that

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread André Nunes Batista
Until recently I though facebook could be used in a concise manner, playing with the lured minds of those attracted only to convenience to propagate some urgent social agendas around my fellow neighbors. Today I am shit scared of the runnings of this society but also joyfully wandering through thi

Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Philip Ashmore
On 20/06/13 22:50, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20130620_084306, Slavko wrote: Hi, On 6/20/13, Greg wrote: Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a backdoor or something that could collect private info in

Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20130620_084306, Slavko wrote: > Hi, > > > On 6/20/13, Greg wrote: > > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > > backdoor or something that could collect private info in the binary > > packages

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread John Hasler
Scott Linnenbringer writes: > Facebook stores every wall post, private message, photo, etc even > after you remove from wall, delete or untag. You choose to put stuff on Facebook. I choose not to. > Gmail scans your email to place relevant ads. No they don't. Google never sees any of my email.

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 15:25 -0700, Scott Linnenbringer wrote: > Facebook stores every wall post, private message, photo, etc even > after you remove from wall, delete or untag. In some countries this is forbidden. I completely have no idea for what reason people have Facebook, Twitter and LinkIn

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Scott Linnenbringer
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM, André Nunes Batista wrote: > To my knowledge, you are never 100% sure once you are on Internet. But > even before that, with today tech, every hardware could be sending some > sort of signal, regardless of software running attop. > > Free software + encryption tho

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Slavko
Dňa 20.06.2013 21:19 André Nunes Batista wrote / napísal(a): > To my knowledge, you are never 100% sure once you are on Internet. But > even before that, with today tech, every hardware could be sending some > sort of signal, regardless of software running attop. You are right, of course. > 1984

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread André Nunes Batista
To my knowledge, you are never 100% sure once you are on Internet. But even before that, with today tech, every hardware could be sending some sort of signal, regardless of software running attop. Free software + encryption though are solutions that at least should put anyone willing to do it into

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Slavko
Dňa 20.06.2013 17:12 Greg wrote / napísal(a): > I'm just wondering what debian does to check and protect its users, so > fuck me, right? Your protection is your responsibility. The Debian (and other OS) can only help you with this. Of course, some can do it better and another no. An some can cri

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 00:54 +0800, lina wrote: > On Friday 21,June,2013 12:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > because they are dangerous for journalists etc.. > > Furthermore, many journalists are far more dangerous than the potential > threats they may receive. > > They "made-up" lots of things. Eve

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread lina
On Friday 21,June,2013 12:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > because they are dangerous for journalists etc.. Furthermore, many journalists are far more dangerous than the potential threats they may receive. They "made-up" lots of things. Even the same story, they can tell in quite dramatic different w

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread lina
On Friday 21,June,2013 12:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The USA and similar countries IMO aren't dangerous for most of us, since > I suspect that less of us are terrorists. China and similar countries > are a problem, because they are dangerous for journalists etc.. Old fashioned spy is out-of-date

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 10:44 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Governments just don't give a damn about your desktop. Sorry if that > bruises your ego. They may be interested in your email and Websurfing > in the unlikely event that you are a "person of interest", but they > can get that from your provi

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread John Hasler
Greg writes: > So every line of code during every build is verified? No, but there are enough people poking around in the source that the odds of getting away with a trojan are too low to make it worth doing. If it was being done at least one trojan would have been spotted by now. > So the build

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Greg
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 22:52 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:56:46PM +0800, lina wrote: > > On Thursday 20,June,2013 10:44 AM, Greg wrote: > > > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > > > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD o

Re: Deterministic Builds (was [Re: wacky question])

2013-06-20 Thread Greg
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 03:32 -0400, Sean Alexandre wrote: > There was an interesting post on this the other day on the liberationtech > mailing list > by Mike Perry from the Tor Project: > > Deterministic builds and software trust > https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-June/

Re: wacky question , wacky thought

2013-06-20 Thread Greg
On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 22:26 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > On 20130619_224412, Greg wrote: > > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any > programs like > > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > > backdoor or something that could collect private info in the

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Greg
On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 23:56 -0700, Alan Ianson wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:44:12 -0400 > Greg wrote: > > > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > > backdoor or something that could collect priv

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Greg
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 12:56 +0800, lina wrote: > On Thursday 20,June,2013 10:44 AM, Greg wrote: > > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > > backdoor or something that could collect private info in

Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 01:08:12PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > A counter-PRISM PRISM? Now there's a tautological idea! :) gnupg? Although, there is still the metadata in the message envelope, to worry about. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are

stopwatching.us petition (was ... Re: wacky question.)

2013-06-20 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:44:12PM -0400, Greg wrote: > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > backdoor or something that could collect private info in the binary > packages distributed by debian? Si

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:56:46PM +0800, lina wrote: > On Thursday 20,June,2013 10:44 AM, Greg wrote: > > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > > backdoor or something that could collect private i

Deterministic Builds (was [Re: wacky question])

2013-06-20 Thread Sean Alexandre
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:44:12PM -0400, Greg wrote: > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > backdoor or something that could collect private info in the binary > packages distributed by debian? Th

Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Joe
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:43:06 +0200 Slavko wrote: > Hi, > > > On 6/20/13, Greg wrote: > > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > > backdoor or something that could collect private info in the bin

Re: wacky question

2013-06-20 Thread Richard Hector
On 20/06/13 18:56, Alan Ianson wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:44:12 -0400 > Greg wrote: > >> Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like >> PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a >> backdoor or something that could collect private info in the bin

Re: wacky question

2013-06-19 Thread Alan Ianson
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:44:12 -0400 Greg wrote: > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > backdoor or something that could collect private info in the binary > packages distributed by debian? Everythi

Re: counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-19 Thread Slavko
Hi, > On 6/20/13, Greg wrote: > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > backdoor or something that could collect private info in the binary > packages distributed by debian? Sure, here is something,

Re: wacky question , wacky thought

2013-06-19 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20130619_224412, Greg wrote: > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > backdoor or something that could collect private info in the binary > packages distributed by debian? Maybe, way back, CIA an

Re: wacky question

2013-06-19 Thread lina
On Thursday 20,June,2013 10:44 AM, Greg wrote: > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > backdoor or something that could collect private info in the binary > packages distributed by debian? > > Do

counter-PRISM PRISM - Re: wacky question

2013-06-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 6/20/13, Greg wrote: > Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like > PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a > backdoor or something that could collect private info in the binary > packages distributed by debian? A counter-PRISM PRISM? Now ther

wacky question

2013-06-19 Thread Greg
Does anyone think that debian could participate in any programs like PRISM? Or could a lone (or group of) sympathetic DD or DM slip a backdoor or something that could collect private info in the binary packages distributed by debian? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.o