Re: umsdos under 2.6

2005-12-12 Thread Martin Lefebvre
On 12/12/05, Martin Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well if -t vfat gives you the same error, you can try redoing the > filesystem on the USB drive. I've seen that happen when the device is > not properly unmounted, or if something bad happened to it (mine was > dropped... still works, but

Re: umsdos under 2.6

2005-12-12 Thread Martin Lefebvre
On 12/12/05, Iñaki Silanes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks, Martin. I mention in my post that I have tried "-t msdos" and it > doesn't work. "-t vfat" gives the very same error: > > Bart:~# mount /dev/autousb /mnt/usb/ -t msdos > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/autous

Re: umsdos under 2.6

2005-12-12 Thread Iñaki Silanes
Martin Lefebvre wrote: > On 12/9/05, Iñaki Silanes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a USB pendrive formatted as umsdos (I think), and I just can't >> mount it with my Debian Etch 2.6 kernel machine. >> > > Try vfat... works wi

Re: umsdos under 2.6

2005-12-09 Thread Martin Lefebvre
On 12/9/05, Iñaki Silanes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a USB pendrive formatted as umsdos (I think), and I just can't mount > it with my Debian Etch 2.6 kernel machine. > Try vfat... works with my 2 usbdrives -- Martin Lefebvre eMail: [EM

umsdos under 2.6

2005-12-09 Thread Iñaki Silanes
Hi all, I have a USB pendrive formatted as umsdos (I think), and I just can't mount it with my Debian Etch 2.6 kernel machine. The pendrive mounts flawlessly under a Slakware 2.4 kernel machine, with a fstab entry of: /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash autonoauto,user 0 0 So, "au

msdos has umsdos and vfat has ?????

2002-06-18 Thread Shri Shrikumar
Hi Guys n Gals, I would like to have umsdos with the long file name ability. Does anyone have such a setup ? If so, how ? My googling brought up uvfat (from around 1997-1998) but that seems to have disappeared altogether from most everywhere. Regards, Shri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: umsdos and vfat works but no uvfat - any ideas?

2002-06-16 Thread Shri Shrikumar
On Sun, 2002-06-16 at 20:03, Osamu Aoki wrote: > On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 04:36:28PM +0100, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I've been trying to get uvfat working and it says that I just need to > > enable umsdos and vfat (which I have) and they both work f

Re: umsdos and vfat works but no uvfat - any ideas?

2002-06-16 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 04:36:28PM +0100, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been trying to get uvfat working and it says that I just need to > enable umsdos and vfat (which I have) and they both work fine. > > However, when I do > > mount -t uvfat /dev/hda

umsdos and vfat works but no uvfat - any ideas?

2002-06-15 Thread Shri Shrikumar
Hi All, I've been trying to get uvfat working and it says that I just need to enable umsdos and vfat (which I have) and they both work fine. However, when I do mount -t uvfat /dev/hda11 /mnt it tells me that uvfat is not supported by the kernel. Anybody get uvfat working and if so, how

Re: umsdos/loopback with debian

2001-04-27 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:10:53AM +0100, Saqib Shaikh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > hi all, > > what i want to do is convert my existing linux partition into an > umsdos or loopback filesystem to send to a friend. i have done the > opposite - converted umsdos to ext2, but could

umsdos/loopback with debian

2001-04-27 Thread Saqib Shaikh
hi all,   what i want to do is convert my existing linux partition into an umsdos or loopback filesystem to send to a friend. i have done the opposite - converted umsdos to ext2, but could someone tell me how to go the other way?   thanks, saqib  

Re: [Q] Debian with UMSDOS part.

2001-01-02 Thread Elias Athanasopoulos
On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Not that I'm aware of. Too bad. :-( > SuSE GNU/Linux had an option to install onto a UMSDOS partition some > time back, as well as a "live CD" installation. There's also PHAT > Linux, as well as a number of oth

Re: [Q] Debian with UMSDOS part.

2000-12-30 Thread kmself
an option to install onto a UMSDOS partition some time back, as well as a "live CD" installation. There's also PHAT Linux, as well as a number of other GNU/Linux distributions which were intended for installation under Legacy MS Windows. At a minimum, you'd need msdos, v

[Q] Debian with UMSDOS part.

2000-12-28 Thread Elias Athanasopoulos
Hi! Is there an installation image in order to have Debian Linux installed under an MS-DOS partition? Any sources are welcomed. Regards, Elias PS. Please 'cc' me, as I am not subscribed. -- Elias Athanasopoulos | I bet the human brain is | H.E.P & Apps. Lab. http://www.uoa.gr/~eatha | a

Installing Debian into dos filesystem (umsdos)

2000-08-16 Thread Maisenbacher Matthias \(K3/EMW4\) *
Yes, I know it's better to have an own partition for Linux as i do for my private Linux box. But here at work I can't delete or shrink partitions. Therefore I'd like to install Debian (slink or potato) into an already existing dos filesystem with umsdos. What I have: PII 300 / 64

Re: Debian on UMSDOS?

2000-05-16 Thread Mirek Kwasniak
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 03:40:13PM +0100, Graeme Mathieson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Subject says all. Has anyone successfully installed Debian on a UMSDOS > >

Re: Debian on UMSDOS?

2000-05-15 Thread Steve Lamb
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:46:09PM -0400, Mike Werner wrote: > When I got my laptop a few months ago, I set it up to dual-boot > Win98 and Debian. Win98 and Debian exist on seperate partitions, > and the booting is handled through LILO. It was actually quite > easy to do. I know it is easy t

Re: Debian on UMSDOS?

2000-05-15 Thread Mike Werner
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 07:38:41AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Easier to have the dreaded Win98 (Asheron's Call, mmm) and Linux on a > single partition for multi-booting that to juggle different partitions. When I got my laptop a few months ago, I set it up to dual-boot Win98 and Debian. Win9

Re: Debian on UMSDOS?

2000-05-15 Thread Oswald Buddenhagen
> you have to go to the second console (ALT-F1) and do ALT-F2, of course, but you know, don't you? ;-) -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! -- If Windows is the answer, I want the problems back!

Re: Debian on UMSDOS?

2000-05-15 Thread Oswald Buddenhagen
> The latter. I know I can get Slackware onto UMSDOS fairly easy as well as > a few others (Monkey Linux comes to mind). I much prefer Debian however. > Easier to have the dreaded Win98 (Asheron's Call, mmm) and Linux on a > single partition for multi-booting that to

Re: Debian on UMSDOS?

2000-05-15 Thread Graeme Mathieson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Subject says all. Has anyone successfully installed Debian on a UMSDOS > partition? Well, can't say that I have. Another solution which (I've heard) is workable. In

Re: Debian on UMSDOS?

2000-05-15 Thread Steve Lamb
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 03:45:19PM +0200, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: > is this a "is it possible at all" or "how difficult is it" question? > the answer to the first one is "yes", to the second one "no idea" *g*. > i've made this some years ago

Re: Debian on UMSDOS?

2000-05-15 Thread Oswald Buddenhagen
> Subject says all. Has anyone successfully installed Debian on a UMSDOS > partition? > is this a "is it possible at all" or "how difficult is it" question? the answer to the first one is "yes", to the second one "no idea" *g*. i've

Debian on UMSDOS?

2000-05-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Subject says all. Has anyone successfully installed Debian on a UMSDOS partition? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-

Can UMSDOS support long filenames on FAT32?

1999-12-11 Thread John Ericson
Hi, I have a fat32 partition which I mount by typing 'mount -t umsdos /dev/hdb3 /mnt'. On this partition I have files with names longer than 8 letters and now when I make a 'umssync .' all the files with long filenames get renamed to 8.3 format. Is there someway I can make

Debian on UMSDOS

1999-09-10 Thread Steve Lamb
Does anyone have any experience with installing Debian on a UMSDOS partition? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-

Debain and FAT32/UMSDOS

1999-06-03 Thread Sean
Can I install Debain/GNU linux on a FAT32/UMSDOS partition like Zip Slackware?

using umsdos

1998-12-16 Thread LOPARIC Marko
Hi, Is there anyone using debian with umsdos? Is there a documentation somewhere of how to install a Debian umsdos root filesystem? The umsdos howto is pretty old... I have a PC with NT borrowed for some weeks and I don't want to repartition the disk... Is there a better solution? Is it pos

Re: UMSDOS as root

1998-08-28 Thread Steve Byrne
I've been trying to run UMSDOS as my root partition for the last week or so. I posted to the debian-user list to see if anyone knew about how to make this work, but I haven't received a reply yet. Debian definitely doesn't support UMSDOS as root out of the box. I can get tantali

running linux UMSDOS(?)

1998-08-27 Thread Rick
Hi all, Am i correct in thinking that linus can be run from a UMSDOS (??) partition (??) - i.e from a folder mounted on a dos drive (or fat 32 to be more specific).   is this called umsdos? i am a little unsure.   Thanks   Rick   Kitty5 Web Design EMAIL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOME  - Http

Help installing Debian on UMSDOS file system?

1998-08-25 Thread Steve Byrne
t ship Win95 installation CDs with their boxes). So, I'm trying to make a UMSDOS partition and set up Debian using that. The Debian installation system doesn't seem to support UMSDOS based installation directly, although I've managed to put a UMSDOS-aware kernel on the rescue disk

UMSDOS on Debian

1998-07-23 Thread Salvador Bosque i Puy
I would like to install Debian without partitioning a disk. Is it possible to install Debian on a UMSDOS filesystem? Has anybody some hints or can post any pointer regarding this issue? Thanks Salvador Bosque -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null

Re: umsdos run on fat32 ?

1998-06-09 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 01:33:40PM -0400, R. Chris Ross wrote: > I have recently gotten a laptop at work that I need to run Win95 > and later, likely NT. It would be great to also load Linux in the same > partition. Can Debian be installed using an umsdos file system in a fat32 &g

umsdos run on fat32 ?

1998-06-08 Thread R. Chris Ross
I have recently gotten a laptop at work that I need to run Win95 and later, likely NT. It would be great to also load Linux in the same partition. Can Debian be installed using an umsdos file system in a fat32 partition? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Installing UMSDOS

1998-02-17 Thread Sen Nagata
i believe there is a UMSDOS howto at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/UMSDOS-HOWTO.html i found this to be pretty helpful when installing umsdos for my machine. -sen at some point around Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:37:21 +0100 Bujtar Janos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mentioned: > HEllo ! > &

Installing UMSDOS

1998-02-17 Thread Bujtar Janos
HEllo ! Can anybody tell me an URL or any other docu. when i can find more information how to install UMSDOS on DOS partition? thnx ! james -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: umsdos

1997-12-12 Thread Martin Str|mberg
Jason Ish said > I have to install Linux onto a umsdos file system on one of my computers, > even though I know it isn't a suggested practice. > > What steps should I take to install a fresh debian system onto umsdos. I > have a up and running Debian system to make a new

Re: umsdos

1997-12-10 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Tue, Dec 09, 1997 at 01:27:20PM -0600, Jason Ish wrote: > I have to install Linux onto a umsdos file system on one of my computers, > even though I know it isn't a suggested practice. > > What steps should I take to install a fresh debian system onto umsdos. I > have a u

Re: umsdos

1997-12-10 Thread emaziuk
On Tue, Dec 09, 1997 at 01:27:20PM -0600, Jason Ish wrote: > I have to install Linux onto a umsdos file system on one of my computers, > even though I know it isn't a suggested practice. > > What steps should I take to install a fresh debian system onto umsdos. I > have a u

umsdos

1997-12-09 Thread Jason Ish
I have to install Linux onto a umsdos file system on one of my computers, even though I know it isn't a suggested practice. What steps should I take to install a fresh debian system onto umsdos. I have a up and running Debian system to make a new kernel and what not. Thanks for any in

debian in umsdos

1997-10-14 Thread Francesco Tapparo
Hi, I'm trying to install debian in a umsdos partition (it's for my father, which cannot repartition the hard-disk). This my plan: 1) install doslinux in /dev/hda1 (DOS partition); 2) go to my Linux system in /dev/hdc1; 3) mount -tumsdos /dev/hda1 /mnt; 4) rm -r /mnt/linux/*; 5) cd

Re: Debian over MS-DOS (UMSDOS distribution)

1997-09-05 Thread Joey Hess
John Lines wrote: > Does anyone have experience of running Debian as a UMSDOS system I'm cc'ing this to a friend who runs 3 debian systems over top of umsdos. I wouldn't reccommend it, but if you have to do it, maybe he can help you. > - I have > used a Slakware based sys

Debian over MS-DOS (UMSDOS distribution)

1997-09-05 Thread John Lines
Does anyone have experience of running Debian as a UMSDOS system - I have used a Slakware based system built on UMSDOS as a gentle introduction to Linux for people who dont like the idea of partitioning their hard disks, just to try Linux. They pull a big tar file off the network, and a copy of

Re: umsdos and df command

1997-07-30 Thread David Wright
On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Jim Foltz wrote: > Anyway, it uses umsdos. I am using a bastardized version of > /etc/init.d/boot and have prety much left the filesystem checking as it is > by default. The umsdos filesystem (root) is mounted and sync'd ok, but the > df command does not sh

umsdos and df command

1997-07-29 Thread Jim Foltz
Hello everyone I have made a small (3.5M) Linux installation for DOS users so they can use the network services of our local community network. (free PPP limited to an hour per day; not bad for nuthin' huh?) Anyway, it uses umsdos. I am using a bastardized version of /etc/init.d/boot and

Re: Debian generic kernal w/umsdos?

1997-06-11 Thread Robin Rowe
Chuck, >This may be a trade-off you're willing to make - it just needs (IMNSHO) to >be an informed decision. I think I can live with it. This is for a primarily Win95 box, not a unix server. If umsdos will work decently I should be able to be happy w/o ext2. I'm not having mu

Re: Debian generic kernal w/umsdos?

1997-06-11 Thread Roberto Ruiz Cantu
I have to make my own kernal. > > The main reason I want to run Debian on a dos partition is so that I can > see unix files from the Win95 side (backups and other conveniences). The > umsdos faq says that I shouldn't expect any degradation in speed or > reliability, only size

Re: Debian generic kernal w/umsdos?

1997-06-10 Thread Nils Rennebarth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Robin Rowe wrote: >The umsdos faq says that I shouldn't expect any degradation in speed or >reliability, only size. Was this a false claim? No. Nowadays this is true. In the past (1.2 kernels) UMSDOS was rather slow. Ext2 howev

Re: Debian generic kernal w/umsdos?

1997-06-09 Thread Robin Rowe
Chuck, Thanks for the reply. I guess I have to make my own kernal. The main reason I want to run Debian on a dos partition is so that I can see unix files from the Win95 side (backups and other conveniences). The umsdos faq says that I shouldn't expect any degradation in speed or reliab

Debian generic kernal w/umsdos?

1997-06-09 Thread Robin Rowe
Hi. I want to install Debian on a system without an ext2 partition. I can boot the install program using loadlin, but can't mount my umsdos partition because the generic kernal doesn't support umsdos. My intention, perhaps wrongly, is to 'mount -t umsdos /dev/hdc2 /target&#

Re: does debian 1.2.x support umsdos

1997-03-24 Thread Rick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > I have an AT&T globalyst 362TPC comuter with a s3 trio 64 chip set. I > am now using slackware 2.2 running linux 1.2.1 kernel as a umsdos > file system. It is working fine except I can't get xfx86 running. I > want to upgrade the linux kernel to

Re: does debian 1.2.x support umsdos

1997-03-22 Thread Perry Piplani
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Joseph Zieniewicz wrote: > Does debian support umsdos? Debian does not support umsdos although with a liitle hacking you can create a umsdos partition, umsync it, and put the debian base distribution on it. However, I do not reccomend this. The performance is cruddy,

does debian 1.2.x support umsdos

1997-03-22 Thread Joseph Zieniewicz
I have an AT&T globalyst 362TPC comuter with a s3 trio 64 chip set. I am now using slackware 2.2 running linux 1.2.1 kernel as a umsdos file system. It is working fine except I can't get xfx86 running. I want to upgrade the linux kernel to 2.*. I am interested in using debian as my linux

Fresh Debian on UMSDOS?

1997-03-05 Thread Giuliano Procida
Hello. Brian K Servis wrote: > So the question is how can he install a fresh Debian to his DOS/VFAT > internal using UMSDOS? By using my experimental Debian installation software. I would rather not make this generally available yet as there are some known problems to be ironed out and s

Re: Fresh Debian on UMSDOS?

1997-03-04 Thread Dale Scheetz
roach over umsdos is that you can install the rootfs file on any partition, not just a dos one, so you can use it to upgrade another distribution as well as install a new Debian one. I hope to have the kinks out by the 1.3 release and intend to provide it on my gold CDs. On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Scott B

Re: Debian on an umsdos zip disk

1997-02-23 Thread Robert Varley
uck! cheers, Robert Varley Trowbridge, Wilts On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Gertjan Klein wrote: > How can I convince Debian to install itself on an umsdos ZIP disk? The > kernel on the rescue disk doesn't have the umsdos filesystem built-in. I > would like to try and create a small Debian sys

Umsdos?

1997-02-19 Thread Giuliano Procida
there. > > As an alternative, you could try my modifications to the boot-floppies > > package to handle UMSDOS installs. There has just been a new > > boot-floppies release, so I'll have do some merging before I have a > > proper set of patches ready. Have a look at

Re: Umsdos support?

1997-02-19 Thread Gertjan Klein
Giuliano Procida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is possible to fool the installation process roughly as follows: > You need a DOS partition, say /dev/hda1, umssync, and perhaps other > things (it's been a while). Replace the boot-floppy kernel with one > that has FAT

Umsdos support?

1997-02-18 Thread Giuliano Procida
Hi. > I've posted this question here before and didn't receive a single > reply. Hopefully I'm more lucky this time.. I want to install Debian > to an Umsdos partition. The installation disks don't seem to allow > me to do that. That's right. > - Does

Re: Formatting umsdos partitions

1996-12-18 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have Debian packages on a Win95 formatted disk > and need to transfer them to a Linux formatted > disk. These packages have the long filenames, they > were not downloaded from the msdos directory. However > when I try to access the files directly fr

Re: Formatting umsdos partitions

1996-12-18 Thread Allan Anderson
Try using the vfat filesystem type. I think that this should work...I have it running (as a module) and it let me download a lot of stuff onto a FAT partition under NT 4.0 that saved everything with those nice filenames...works swimmingly. In the absence of an effective general mythology, each of

Re: Formatting umsdos partitions

1996-12-17 Thread Simon Martin
just fail to boot" | | Any Trademarks used in this document are recognized | as Registered Trademarks of their respective owners. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Formatting umsdos partitions Date: 17 December 199

Re: Formatting umsdos partitions

1996-12-17 Thread Bruce Perens
Use "mount -t vfat " when you mount that partition and Linux will recognize Windows 95 long filenames. You might have to load the "vfat" module. You don't need to use UMSDOS, nor will it help. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED

Formatting umsdos partitions

1996-12-17 Thread gbh
convention thus losing the long filenames. The Linux formatted disk has a spare partition I can work with to help transfer these files. I am wondering, if I format the spare partition to the umsdos format, will Win95 be able to recognize it - letting me copy the files there, and preserve the long filenames

Re: UMSDOS partition and debian

1996-12-06 Thread Scott Barker
Rick Macdonald said: > I've had /home and my debian mirror and a few other things on a UMSDOS > filesystem for quite awhile. I just upgraded to 2.0.25 a couple of > weeks ago. Before that I was running 2.0.6. I never noticed any problems > compared to 1.2.13 or whatever it was t

Re: UMSDOS partition and debian

1996-12-06 Thread Scott Barker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > I have gathered that it is possible to run the debian installation > in a dos fat partition. I am hoping that this configuration would > resemble the slakware installation running over the dos fat partition. Do not, repeat DO NOT u

Re: UMSDOS partition and debian

1996-12-06 Thread Dale Scheetz
Take a look at dilinux ftp.sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/dilinux It's a very good example of what you want. On Fri, 6 Dec 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello all... > > I have gathered that it is possible to run the debian installation > in a dos fat partitio

UMSDOS partition and debian

1996-12-06 Thread David_Oswald
Hello all... I have gathered that it is possible to run the debian installation in a dos fat partition. I am hoping that this configuration would resemble the slakware installation running over the dos fat partition. I've not seen any documentation about

Re: Can Debian install from a UMSDOS filesystem?

1996-11-08 Thread Rick Macdonald
it matters if you use UMSDOS or > any other mountable filesystem. You just need to know how to mount > it. If necessary, you might need to execute the insmod command to > load the appropriate filesystem support. Since UMSDOS support is a kernel configuration option, I figured it would

Re: Can Debian install from a UMSDOS filesystem?

1996-11-06 Thread Martin Stromberg
> > > I couldn't find in the FAQ whether or not one can place all the > deb files on a UMSDOS drive and install from scratch with > the boot floopy sets. > > Anybody know one way or another? > > ...RickM... > Yes. I did exactly that last week. And if you

Re: Can Debian install from a UMSDOS filesystem?

1996-11-06 Thread Scott Barker
Rick Macdonald said: > I couldn't find in the FAQ whether or not one can place all the > deb files on a UMSDOS drive and install from scratch with > the boot floopy sets. Dunno about that, but I *do* know that you should *not* use UMSDOS on a SCSI device. There is a bug still floa

Re: Can Debian install from a UMSDOS filesystem?

1996-11-06 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
I imagine that you can do this. During beta testing of 1.1, I copied the entire binary hierarchy to a DOS partiton. I mounted this partition and then ran dselect pointed at the appropriate binary directory. I don't think it matters if you use UMSDOS or any other mountable filesystem. You

Can Debian install from a UMSDOS filesystem?

1996-11-06 Thread Rick Macdonald
I couldn't find in the FAQ whether or not one can place all the deb files on a UMSDOS drive and install from scratch with the boot floopy sets. Anybody know one way or another? ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTE