top-posting (was Re: Xpra)

2025-04-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Could you please stop top-posting? Thank you! -- Please do not CC me for listmail. 👱🏻 Jonathan Dowland ✎j...@debian.org 🔗 https://jmtd.net

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-15 Thread gene heskett
On 5/15/24 10:50, Nicolas George wrote: Cindy Sue Causey (12024-05-15): PS Afterthought is that email signatures are another of that widely accepted netiquette set of standards. You can add the “Re: ” to that list. It is the sequence of four octets 0x52, 0x65, 0x3a, 0x20, and nothing else. T

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-15 Thread James H. H. Lampert
them. . . . Actually, it isn't necessarily the user's fault. Thanks to the "business standard," (and think about the initials) of top-posting over the complete, unpared quote of the entire thread, there are an awful lot of email readers (and especially webmail interfaces) th

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-15 Thread Henning Follmann
Since my request started this offtopic subthread I hope I can put it to rest. Yes I requested to not toppost. I asked politely, and I added pertinent response on topic. I do not claim to be right or wrong about this. I prefer interleaved style for reason. Everyone on this list heard all arguments

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-15 Thread Nicolas George
Cindy Sue Causey (12024-05-15): > PS Afterthought is that email signatures are another of that widely > accepted netiquette set of standards. You can add the “Re: ” to that list. It is the sequence of four octets 0x52, 0x65, 0x3a, 0x20, and nothing else. The MUAs who write “RE: ” are wrong. The

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-15 Thread gene heskett
On 5/15/24 10:06, Nicolas George wrote: Cindy Sue Causey (12024-05-15): Best as I was able to discern from the Net [0], 72 characters is the magic number for line length because 4 extra characters are added to both ends when e.g. git processes submissions. Makes good common sense to me. Git is

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-15 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 09:46:08AM -0400, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > Best as I was able to discern from the Net [0], 72 characters is the > magic number for line length because 4 extra characters are added to > both ends when e.g. git processes submissions. Makes good common sense > to me. > > PS I

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-15 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
-Original Message- From: Greg Wooledge To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: Top Posting Date: 05/14/24 13:41:17 On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 05:01:31PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > how many times has this top post crap been dug up > don't y'all have any

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-15 Thread Nicolas George
Cindy Sue Causey (12024-05-15): > Best as I was able to discern from the Net [0], 72 characters is the > magic number for line length because 4 extra characters are added to > both ends when e.g. git processes submissions. Makes good common sense > to me. Git is an order of magnitude younger than

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-15 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
-Original Message- From: gene heskett To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: Top Posting Date: 05/14/24 10:54:50 On 5/14/24 10:09, Richard wrote: Just because something isn't an official ISO standard doesn't mean it's not standard behavior. And how it relates

Markup in mail messages (was: Re: OT: Top Posting)

2024-05-14 Thread Max Nikulin
On 15/05/2024 02:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 08:16:20PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: Messages in Markdown in the Windows world? I have never seen it. [...] The only sensible interpretation I can come up with for why these asterisks were added is that they're being placed a

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread Larry Martell
can. There are dozens of them. >>> >>> > Am Di., 14. Mai 2024 um 15:57 Uhr schrieb Loris Bennett >>> > mailto:loris.benn...@fu-berlin.de>>: >>> > >>> > Hi Richard, >>> > >>> > Richard mailto:rrosn...@gmail.com

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread fxkl47BF
On Tue, 14 May 2024, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 05:01:31PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: >> don't y'all have any thing better to do > > You must be new here. sorta i've only been using versions of linux since the early 90's :) downloaded it from an archie serve

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 05:01:31PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > don't y'all have any thing better to do You must be new here. Get used to reading with a "mark thread read" key in your MUA of choice, is my best advice. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS h

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread debian-user
Greg Wooledge wrote: > In this particular instance, we've got a person from the second > culture who seems to have no idea that other cultures exist, or that > a mailing list might not adhere to their own expectations. This > person is acting belligerantly, and will not listen to gentle > remind

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 08:16:20PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Messages in Markdown in the Windows world? I have never seen it. I can't be sure where they're coming from exactly, but every once in a while I see messages on debian-user, bug-bash or help-bash which have extra asterisk characters

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread Jeffrey Walton
>> choice of email agents cannot do that, its time to switch to an agent >> that can. There are dozens of them. >> >> > Am Di., 14. Mai 2024 um 15:57 Uhr schrieb Loris Bennett >> > mailto:loris.benn...@fu-berlin.de>>: >> > >> > Hi Rich

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread Karen Lewellen
the software in between cannot take, i.e. most of it. And the “(s)” tells us which culture is more efficient and why. The second culture are Windows users who grew up with Microsoft products in their school or workplace. In this culture, top-posting is the norm, and inline quoting is nigh impossib

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 05:01:31PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > how many times has this top post crap been dug up > don't y'all have any thing better to do > i know > how about some real debian issues > Hi, Have a quick look at the Debian-user FAQ posted each month and the Debian Cod

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread Nicolas George
t. And the “(s)” tells us which culture is more efficient and why. > The second culture are Windows users who grew up with Microsoft products > in their school or workplace. In this culture, top-posting is the norm, > and inline quoting is nigh impossible. Messages are often sent in ei

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 5/14/24 10:41 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: We have a clash of two cultures here. More than just *nix vs. M$. In business communications by email, the norm is to quote the *entire* thread, every time, without paring anything down, purely for the sake of CYA. As such, top-posting is the only

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
ad and composed on a terminal, or a terminal emulator. Characters are displayed in a fixed-width font. ASCII art is possible, albeit frowned upon as juvenile. The second culture are Windows users who grew up with Microsoft products in their school or workplace. In this culture, top-posting is the

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread fxkl47BF
how many times has this top post crap been dug up don't y'all have any thing better to do i know how about some real debian issues

Re: OT: Top Posting (was: Dovecot correct ownership for logs)

2024-05-14 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 04:08:19PM +0200, Richard wrote: > Just because something isn't an official ISO standard doesn't mean it's not > standard behavior. And how it relates to this mailing list? It's called a > setting. Most people prefer inline quoting around here (I know I do). That's because

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread Richard
u-berlin.de>>: > > > > Hi Richard, > > > > Richard mailto:rrosn...@gmail.com>> writes: > > > > > "Top posting" (writing the answer above the text that's being > replied > > > to) is literally industry s

Re: OT: Top Posting

2024-05-14 Thread gene heskett
Richard mailto:rrosn...@gmail.com>> writes: > "Top posting" (writing the answer above the text that's being replied > to) is literally industry standard behavior. Can you provide a link to the standard you are referring to? Assuming such a standard exi

Re: OT: Top Posting (was: Dovecot correct ownership for logs)

2024-05-14 Thread Richard
Just because something isn't an official ISO standard doesn't mean it's not standard behavior. And how it relates to this mailing list? It's called a setting. Am Di., 14. Mai 2024 um 15:57 Uhr schrieb Loris Bennett < loris.benn...@fu-berlin.de>: > Hi Richard, &g

OT: Top Posting (was: Dovecot correct ownership for logs)

2024-05-14 Thread Loris Bennett
Hi Richard, Richard writes: > "Top posting" (writing the answer above the text that's being replied > to) is literally industry standard behavior. Can you provide a link to the standard you are referring to? Assuming such a standard exists, how would it apply to this

Re: OT: Forwarding and top posting (was: Re: OT: Pedantic, yet wrong)

2023-06-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 04:24:47PM -0700, Manphiz wrote: > Personally I don't have a strong preference either way, but would like > to hear more opinions on this. The complaint about a top-posted forwarded message just because it had a contextual hint at the top, seemed excessive to me. I

OT: Forwarding and top posting (was: Re: OT: Pedantic, yet wrong)

2023-06-22 Thread Manphiz
David Christensen writes: > On 6/22/23 03:28, Ottavio Caruso wrote: >> Am 21/06/2023 um 15:46 schrieb to...@tuxteam.de: > >>> ... top posting ... > >> ... When the message is forwarded ("Weitergeleitet", ... you have no >> other choice than to

Re: Top-posting (was Re: how to test disk for bad sector)

2020-08-30 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 09:14:16 -0700 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > If someone can't be bothered to take the time to write a readable > message, I can't be bothered to take the time to decipher it. On the other tentacle, this sort of thing is usually the province of newbies. I think it would help to refer

Re: Top-posting

2020-08-30 Thread Felix Miata
Charlie Gibbs composed on 2020-08-30 09:14 (UTC-0700): > On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 16:30:01 +0200 Charles Curley wrote: >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 14:02:48 + Andy Smith wrote: >>> Between your top posting and the HTML mails, I find it very >>> difficult to read your

Top-posting (was Re: how to test disk for bad sector)

2020-08-30 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 16:30:01 +0200 Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 14:02:48 + > Andy Smith wrote: > >> Between your top posting and the HTML mails, I find it very >> difficult to read your emails so I mostly haven't bothered. > > Hear, hear.

Re: (OT) Top Posting (was Re: Gimp Babl too old)

2018-09-17 Thread Ben Finney
Kenneth Parker writes: > I have a special issue: Using Gmail on a Phone or Tablet (I have > both). Both of those devices lack a proper keyboard. That makes them unsuitable for composing anything but very short messages, and wholly unsuitable for editing text. > Seriously, how do others of you

Re: (OT) Top Posting (was Re: Gimp Babl too old)

2018-09-14 Thread Anders Andersson
a computer. Using an inferior tool is no excuse to inconvenience others. My pet peeve here is when people try to use the Stack Exchange app or whatever, and excuse the lousy formatting on "I'm on the phone", but thanks for pointing out another one: gmail top posting! It's bad

(OT) Top Posting (was Re: Gimp Babl too old)

2018-09-13 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:07 PM Ric Moore wrote: > > > > Same reason some people top post. They just ignore the conventions. > I have a special issue: Using Gmail on a Phone or Tablet (I have both). I have yet to find a Straightforward way to Snip lots of lines, using the Android App. Als

Re: [OT] top-posting (was: unlisted mirrors & non-gui installation)

2015-10-14 Thread Reco
14:40:08 -0500 > > Adrian O'Dell wrote: > > > > > That is not what appears in Debian 8, netinst. Here is the one that > > > appears: > > > You preach by example ? ;-3) Only if the situation calls for it. This one did :) And the best place for a friendly advice about top-posting is at the top. Reco

Re: Google & other web mail (was Re: top posting)

2013-11-21 Thread Chris Davies
David Guntner wrote: > GMail & Yahoo Mail both support encrypted POP3 & IMAP [...] I don't > have to look at their ads since I'm not using their web interface [...] How long do you think it's going to be before they start inserting ads into the message body then? (And/or offering a "premium" serv

Re: top posting

2013-11-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Kelly, On a related note, something is wrong with your MUA and quoting. Here's a section of the quoting from your last message, with an additional layer of quoting applied, and trimmed to 20 characters (to avoid further wrapping issues): > > > I'm just curious > > so upset about top p > > > mind

Re: top posting

2013-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/d-community-offtopic/2013-November/000303.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1385024914.686.78.camel@archli

Re: top posting

2013-11-21 Thread Joe
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:08:41 +1100 David wrote: > On 21 November 2013 10:31, Brad Alexander wrote: > > > > I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. > > When you're curious about anything, use a search engine, like I used >

Google & other web mail (was Re: top posting)

2013-11-20 Thread David Guntner
Brad Alexander grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > Actually, I can see the point of posting inline, however, leave it to > google and other mail apps to go and ruin it. In the gmail web interface, > when you reply to an email or even a thread, you get the text entry box, > with the message you are r

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Brad Alexander
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:59 PM, David Guntner wrote: > Brad Alexander grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. To my > > mind, as threads get longer, those keeping up with the thread would not > > want to sc

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Doug
On 11/20/2013 06:31 PM, Brad Alexander wrote: > I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. To > my mind, as threads get longer, those keeping up with the thread would > not want to scroll through messages that they have already read. I know > that I d

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > > The usual objection to top posting is that it destroys the logical > flow of the conversation (and no doubt someone will post a > conversation in reverse order to illustrate the point). ​ >> On Wed, Nov 20, 201

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread David
On 21 November 2013 10:31, Brad Alexander wrote: > > I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. When you're curious about anything, use a search engine, like I used to find this for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style Especially if t

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Ash Narayanan
Kelly, according to the rules of posting on this mailing list, you should've posted that empty comment at the bottom ;) On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Kelly Clowers wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > >> The usual objection to top posting is

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread David Guntner
Brad Alexander grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. To my > mind, as threads get longer, those keeping up with the thread would not > want to scroll through messages that they have already read. I know that I > d

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > The usual objection to top posting is that it destroys the logical > flow of the conversation (and no doubt someone will post a > conversation in reverse order to illustrate the point). But I agree > with you, and for years r

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Patrick Wiseman
The usual objection to top posting is that it destroys the logical flow of the conversation (and no doubt someone will post a conversation in reverse order to illustrate the point). But I agree with you, and for years read my email in reverse chronological order precisely so that I could save time

top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Brad Alexander
I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. To my mind, as threads get longer, those keeping up with the thread would not want to scroll through messages that they have already read. I know that I don't. If they are commenting inline, that is fine, but I

Re: [Fwd: [D-community-offtopic] Outrageous sexism - dump questions - carbon copy - ignoring hidden ids - HTML - top posting - brainstorming - etc.]

2012-11-22 Thread Mike McClain
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:14:19PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > All off-topic is caused by people who feel offended by harmless jokes, > breaking threads, asking the wrong questions, carbon copy, brainstorming > etc., not by the people who make harmless jokes, are breaking threads, > asking the

[Fwd: [D-community-offtopic] Outrageous sexism - dump questions - carbon copy - ignoring hidden ids - HTML - top posting - brainstorming - etc.]

2012-11-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
] Outrageous sexism - dump questions - carbon copy - ignoring hidden ids - HTML - top posting - brainstorming - etc. Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:06:26 +0100 Is there anything people are else allowed on Debian user mailing list, besides dissing people for harmless jokes, breaking threads, asking the wrong

Re: mutt tip (was ... Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting)

2009-03-29 Thread Christofer C. Bell
2009/3/28 Chris Jones > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 05:48:10AM EDT, Chris Bannister wrote: > > I was asking one of the top-posting advocates to elaborate on "archaic > mail readers" .. written in the 1980s .. I believe he wrote.. > > I would assume he is not using one h

Re: mutt tip (was ... Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting)

2009-03-28 Thread Chris Jones
an see what mailer he is using if you put in your .muttrc: I was asking one of the top-posting advocates to elaborate on "archaic mail readers" .. written in the 1980s .. I believe he wrote.. I would assume he is not using one himself .. but then who knows.. > - > # W

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-28 Thread Chris Jones
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 05:48:26AM EDT, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 06:11:38PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote: > > Now then.. I have two bottom posters .. and one top poster.. > > OK. > > > What do I do? > > Snip out the irrelevant bits. Do you use vim as your editor? If so you >

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-28 Thread Chris Bannister
as shrugged off as being too confusing. :o > > So in that situation I was happier[2] seeing a silly top posting > > message. > > > [2] Only because I didn't have to press a dozen or so times. > > As you use mutt, 'S' should skip to the end of each section

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-27 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 06:11:38PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote: > Now then.. I have two bottom posters .. and one top poster.. OK. > What do I do? Snip out the irrelevant bits. Do you use vim as your editor? If so you can put a number before the 'dd' command: 40dd will delete 40 lines. -- Chris.

mutt tip (was ... Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting)

2009-03-27 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 06:08:35PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote: > What mailer are you referring to? I use mutt and it threads messages > reliably, flagging malformed mails that it adds to a thread when it You can see what mailer he is using if you put in your .muttrc: - # What headers are displa

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-27 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:43:28AM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Chris Bannister wrote: > >> Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. > > Then, of course, it follows that not posting at all is ideal. I *should* have said: With

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-27 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:04:54PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Chris Bannister wrote: > > Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. > > No. You obviously should middle post as I have done here: find the median > line and insert your comments i

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-24 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Christofer C. Bell wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Barclay, Daniel <mailto:dan...@fgm.com>> wrote: > > Christofer C. Bell wrote: > > > Mail 1: Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > > Mail 2: A: Top-posting. > > M

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-24 Thread Andrei Popescu
f as being too confusing. :o > > So in that situation I was happier[2] seeing a silly top posting > > message. > > > [2] Only because I didn't have to press a dozen or so times. > > As you use mutt, 'S' should skip to the end of each section of quoted &

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-24 Thread Bob Cox
seeing a silly top posting > message. > [2] Only because I didn't have to press a dozen or so times. As you use mutt, 'S' should skip to the end of each section of quoted text, or, if you know there is no interleaved quoting, just press the 'End' key to go righ

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-24 07:06, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:40:14AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-03-22 11:45, Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. The only person who can say that with a straight face is one who has spent

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-24 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:40:14AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-03-22 11:45, Chris Bannister wrote: >> Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. > > The only person who can say that with a straight face is one who has > spent too much time usin

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Chris Jones
h alike elbows on/off the table, > > > burp/not burp after a meal, etc, > > > > Hmmm. Manners or No Manners; it's an easy choice. > > > > >>> Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. > > >> > > >> Th

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Chris Jones
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:16:12PM EDT, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In <143f0f6c0903230837k4d6bc8a5r55fe985e82993...@mail.gmail.com>, Christofer > C. Bell wrote: [..] > Thank goodness my threaded mail reader never shows 4 messages at once. > (Alright, alright, it *can* but it doesn't do so

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Alex Samad
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:37:21AM -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Barclay, Daniel wrote: > > > Christofer C. Bell wrote: > > > > Mail 1: Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > > > Mail 2: A: Top-posting. > >

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Chris Jones
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:57:09AM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:51:31PM EDT, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > > [..] > > > >> I need to see the relevant context quoted (properly trimmed as the > >> discussion progresses, of course), especially if a th

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <143f0f6c0903230837k4d6bc8a5r55fe985e82993...@mail.gmail.com>, Christofer C. Bell wrote: >What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > >> What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? >Top-posting. > >>> What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? >> Top-

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Barclay, Daniel wrote: > Christofer C. Bell wrote: > > Mail 1: Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > > Mail 2: A: Top-posting. > > Mail 3: Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > Mail 4: A: Because it messes up the ord

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Chris Jones wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:51:31PM EDT, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > [..] > >> I need to see the relevant context quoted (properly trimmed as the >> discussion progresses, of course), especially if a thread has run for >> a while. > > Most "business" mail runs something like t

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Christofer C. Bell wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ron Johnson <mailto:ron.l.john...@cox.net>> wrote: > > On 2009-03-22 11:45, Chris Bannister wrote: ... > > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why i

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Sunday 22 March 2009 23:07:29 Dave Patterson wrote: >* Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [2009-03-22 20:34:50 -0500]: >> That's hyperbole, at the very least. The original Pentium was released on >> March 22, 1993. 3 1/2" disks had been available for a while. While the >> first GB disk wouldn't be seen u

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Jesus Arocho
rs; it's an easy choice. > > >>> Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. > >> > >> The only person who can say that with a straight face is one who has > >> spent too much time using Windows. > > -- > Ron Johnson, Jr.

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Dave Patterson
* Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [2009-03-22 20:34:50 -0500]: > That's hyperbole, at the very least. The original Pentium was released on > March 22, 1993. 3 1/2" disks had been available for a while. While the > first GB disk wouldn't be seen until 1995, 100MB drives were available. Not in '87.

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Mar 22, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-03-22 19:52, Dave Patterson wrote: * Ron Johnson [2009-03-22 16:06:06 -0500]: Except that Our arguments are Right, and Theirs are Eeeevil. Here we go. I can imagine the hearings now: "Are you now, or have you ever been, a top poster

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Dave Patterson
* Ron Johnson [2009-03-22 21:20:30 -0500]: > You must have missed the Editor Wars... > > "Why do we have to hide from the police, Daddy?" > "Because we use vi, son. They use emacs." > > "Escape Meta Alt Control Shift" > > "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping" > > "EMACS Makes Any Computer S

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-22 19:52, Dave Patterson wrote: * Ron Johnson [2009-03-22 16:06:06 -0500]: Except that Our arguments are Right, and Theirs are Eeeevil. Here we go. I can imagine the hearings now: "Are you now, or have you ever been, a top poster?" You must have missed the Editor Wars... "W

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Alex Samad
eal, etc, true > > > > > > > Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. > > > > The only person who can say that with a straight face is one who has > > spent too much time using Windows. > > > > > -- > To UNSU

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Alex Samad
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 07:56:35AM +1000, Adrian Levi wrote: > 2009/3/23 Christofer C. Bell : > [snip] > > I bottom-post out of force of habit, however, it's archaic and generally > > unnecessary. > > -- > > Chris > > Now imagine you are CC'd in on the conversation with no warning at > Mail 4,

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Chris Jones
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:51:31PM EDT, Florian Kulzer wrote: [..] > I need to see the relevant context quoted (properly trimmed as the > discussion progresses, of course), especially if a thread has run for > a while. Most "business" mail runs something like this: -> hey, Dee.. got my fax?

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <20090323010320.gb7...@gecko.davescrunch.org>, Dave Patterson wrote: >* Christofer C. Bell [2009-03-22 16:24:52 -0500]: >> I remember the days before 1994 and the Great AOL Floodgates opening... > >A 286 accelerator card in an 8086 IBM with a 20 Mg hard drive and 5 1/4 >floppy drive. 56k mode

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Dave Patterson
* Christofer C. Bell [2009-03-22 16:24:52 -0500]: > I remember the days before 1994 and the Great AOL Floodgates opening... A 286 accelerator card in an 8086 IBM with a 20 Mg hard drive and 5 1/4 floppy drive. 56k modem. Hotrod machine for the day. I don't miss it. -- Dave signature.asc

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Dave Patterson
* Ron Johnson [2009-03-22 16:06:06 -0500]: > > Except that Our arguments are Right, and Theirs are Eeeevil. > Here we go. I can imagine the hearings now: "Are you now, or have you ever been, a top poster?" -- Dave signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Adrian Levi
2009/3/23 Christofer C. Bell : > This isn't true.  Come enter the 21st Century, it started nearly a decade > ago. ;-)  Top posting works well in a modern threaded mail reader (all of > which, incidentally, support HTML email).  Because *you* are a curmudgeon > doesn't mean e

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: > Or... only technically-astute people should be allowed on the Internet. > That way, it doesn't degenerate into the Intarweb of tubes and spam. > I remember the days before 1994 and the Great AOL Floodgates opening... -- Chris

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-22 14:32, Wendell Cochran wrote: In non-tech lists, top-posting suggests that the writer is (a) unaware that Westerners read from top down, or (b) unable to edit plain text. Or both. Debian-users ought not wish to appear so inconsiderate & incompetent. Or... only technic

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-22 14:28, Celejar wrote: On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:27:13 -0400 Jesus Arocho wrote: Hee, Hee; are you trying to humiliate people into using bottom posting by associating them with use of Windows? The debate of top/bottom posting is much alike elbows on/off the table, burp/not burp af

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread MList
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:04:54PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Chris Bannister wrote: > > Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. > > No. You obviously should middle post as I have done here: find the median ROTF > line and insert your comments i

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Wendell Cochran
In non-tech lists, top-posting suggests that the writer is (a) unaware that Westerners read from top down, or (b) unable to edit plain text. Or both. Debian-users ought not wish to appear so inconsiderate & incompetent. Wendell Cochran West Seattle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:27:13 -0400 Jesus Arocho wrote: > Hee, Hee; are you trying to humiliate people into using bottom posting by > associating them with use of Windows? > > The debate of top/bottom posting is much alike elbows on/off the table, > burp/not burp after a meal, etc, It is not;

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-22 11:52, Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-03-22 11:45, Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. The only person who can say that with a straight face is one who has spent too

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:52:54 -0500 "Christofer C. Bell" wrote: ... > This isn't true. Come enter the 21st Century, it started nearly a decade > ago. ;-) Top posting works well in a modern threaded mail reader (all of > which, incidentally, support HTML email). Becaus

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread John Hasler
Chris Bannister wrote: > Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. No. You obviously should middle post as I have done here: find the median line and insert your comments is the center of it, splitting a word if necessary. Bob Holtzman writes: > Then, of cour

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:52:54 -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 2009-03-22 11:45, Chris Bannister wrote: > >> > >> Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. > > > >

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 22 March 2009 17:18:44 Ron Johnson wrote: > > The debate of top/bottom posting is much alike elbows on/off the table, > > burp/not burp after a meal, etc, > > Hmmm.  Manners or No Manners; it's an easy choice. No - the poster has a valid point. Both the cases he cites are cases where c

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Chris Jones
people normally read > Mail 3: Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > Mail 2: A: Top-posting. > Mail 1: Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > Your example looks like this in a threaded mail reader: > doesn't mean everyone else has to be. ;-) > which, incidentally

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. Then, of course, it follows that not posting at all is ideal. -- Bob Holtzman Light a man's fire and he will be warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the

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