On 20/11/14 at 12:51am, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> >On 19/11/14 at 07:53pm, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>Peter Nieman wrote:
> >>>On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >
On 20/11/14 at 12:49am, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> >On 19/11/14 at 04:21pm, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >>>On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
> o
Raffaele Morelli wrote:
On 19/11/14 at 07:53pm, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Peter Nieman wrote:
On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
of al
Raffaele Morelli wrote:
On 19/11/14 at 04:21pm, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
of alternatives.
If you insist then please use the d-community-offt
On 19/11/14 at 07:53pm, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Peter Nieman wrote:
> >On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >>>On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
> of alterna
On 19/11/14 at 04:21pm, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
> >>of alternatives.
> >If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1],
Scott Ferguson wrote:
Thanks for responding.
On 20/11/14 11:47, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 20/11/14 08:14, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Brian wrote:
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, A
On Wed, 11/19/14, Scott Ferguson
wrote:
Subject: Re: the developers have spoken
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 7:25 PM
[cut]
You must be thinking of someone else.
Indeed, after re-reading, I am (Golinux). My apologies for that
Thanks for responding.
On 20/11/14 11:47, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 20/11/14 08:14, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Brian wrote:
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100,
On 20/11/14 01:04, Brian wrote:
You could create a free software progam which falsely shouts 'fire' over
the public broadcasting system in a crowded theatre. From your point of
view that would seem to be the best of all possible worlds.
None of the people who were told to fuck off shouted fire
On 20/11/14 10:15, Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
of alternatives.
>>> If you insist then plea
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 20/11/14 10:16, Brian wrote:
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 16:14:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Brian wrote:
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
No, not nece
Peter Nieman wrote:
On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
of alternatives.
If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 20/11/14 08:14, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Brian wrote:
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
The vast majority on debian-user see this list as being for th
On Thu 20 Nov 2014 at 00:15:04 +0100, Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >>On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>>Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
> >>>of alternatives.
> >>If
On Thu 20 Nov 2014 at 10:03:25 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:
> On 20/11/14 09:41, GypsyRoseLee wrote:
>
> > You will surely be aware that our company has the
> > rights to Fortune Telling throughout most countriea in the world.
>
> (sigh) Yes - obtained by humbuggery and magic tricks.
Stock i
On 20/11/14 10:16, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 16:14:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
>> Brian wrote:
>>> On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>>
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>> No, not ne
On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
of alternatives.
If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1], which
was set up
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 16:14:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> >On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >
> >>Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >>>On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> No, not necessarily. For many, it means that Debia
On 20/11/14 09:41, GypsyRoseLee wrote:
> On Thu 20 Nov 2014 at 06:57:03 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
>> On 20/11/14 04:01, golinux wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11/19/14, songbird wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: the developers have spoken
>>> To: debian-user@li
On Thu 20 Nov 2014 at 06:57:03 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 20/11/14 04:01, golinux wrote:
> > On Wed, 11/19/14, songbird wrote:
> >
> > Subject: the developers have spoken
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 8
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 23:12:49 +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 07:11:17PM +, Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 20:55:02 +0300, Reco wrote:
> >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:44:01AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500
>
>Don't forget, I am also a user. If I felt the project no longer
>represented
>my interests, I would leave. I would not waste my time or the
>project's
>by continuing to complain about what might have been.
That sure makes sense. But there might be people who a) are very
emotional about Debian a
On 19/11/14 22:08, Scott Ferguson wrote:
[curious] Other than a possible exercise in self-validation - if, as
you've previously stated, *you have ceased using Debian* - why do you
continue posting to Debian user?
Although not his advocate, he could, as myself, be changing all his
boxes to FreeB
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2014 16:49:13 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2014 14:11:18 songbird wrote:
kudoes, much love, go jessie!
:-)) +1
Lisi
This was intended for the list, not to go off-list. Sorry again,
Songbird. I need to press
On 20/11/14 08:14, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
>> On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>
>>> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>>
>> The vast majority on debian-user see this list as being for the suppo
Please do not CC me, I'm subscribed to the list.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 09:53:49PM +0100, tor...@riseup.net wrote:
> I could swear that the Social Contract states:
> We will not hide problems
> and
> Our priority are our users.
of course it does. But posting here about other OSes is not priori
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
of alternatives.
If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1], which
was set up for these situations.
How about, no.
Chris Bannister wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:43:22PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
The main thing that keeps me on Linux is Xen. Xen Dom0 on FreeBSD would
have me there in an instant.
https://wiki.netbsd.org/tutorials/how_to_set_up_a_xen_dom0/
Well yeah - but NetBSD doesn't have a stabl
Brian wrote:
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
No, not necessarily. For many, it means that Debian Linux is dying
and will soon be dead -- or rather, no longer relevant. I jus
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state of
> alternatives.
After 6 years of using Debian, which was pretty much the only OS i ever
used, Gentoo is a good systemd-free alternative for me. Slightly less
comfortable, but a helpful community makes it
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>> No, not necessarily. For maony, it means that Debian Linux is dying
>> and will soon be dead -- or rather, no longer relevant. I just hope
>> that the alternative in FreeBSD works out.
>I encourage you to find out sooner, rather than later, b
Sorry for top posting
On 19/11/2014 10:34 pm, "yoklar" wrote:
>
> I know I know Debian provides now systemd.
>
> On 19/11/2014 10:01 pm, "Brian" wrote:
>>
>> On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 21:54:12 +0200, yoklar wrote:
>>
>> > On 19/11/2014 9:45 pm, "Jonathan Dowland" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Nov 19,
I know I know Debian provides now systemd.
On 19/11/2014 10:01 pm, "Brian" wrote:
> On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 21:54:12 +0200, yoklar wrote:
>
> > On 19/11/2014 9:45 pm, "Jonathan Dowland" wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > > > Please DO report back
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 07:11:17PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 20:55:02 +0300, Reco wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:44:01AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500
> > > songbird wrote:
> > >
> > > > let us thank each one of t
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 21:54:12 +0200, yoklar wrote:
> On 19/11/2014 9:45 pm, "Jonathan Dowland" wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > > Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
> > > of alternatives.
> >
> > If you insist the
On Mi, 19 nov 14, 14:06:16, Haines Brown wrote:
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00014.html
> >
> > The winners are:
> > Option 4 "General Resolution is not required"
>
> I ponder the implications of this vote. I suppose it means that the
> current trajectory of
On 20/11/14 04:01, golinux wrote:
> On Wed, 11/19/14, songbird wrote:
>
> Subject: the developers have spoken
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 8:11 AM
>
>the vote is in.
>
> [cut]
>
> ---
On 19/11/2014 9:45 pm, "Jonathan Dowland" wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
> > of alternatives.
>
> If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1], which
> was set up f
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 14:06:16 -0500, Haines Brown wrote:
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00014.html
> >
> > The winners are:
> > Option 4 "General Resolution is not required"
>
> I ponder the implications of this vote. I suppose it means that the
> current tra
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
> of alternatives.
If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1], which
was set up for these situations.
Thanks
[1] http://lists.alioth.debian.o
On Thu 20 Nov 2014 at 05:56:41 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>
> On 20/11/2014 5:45 AM, Brian wrote:
> > The vast majority on debian-user see this list as being for the support
> > of users who *use* Debian and not a talking shop about it. Encouragement
> > to pervert its purpose is little short
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:43:22PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> The main thing that keeps me on Linux is Xen. Xen Dom0 on FreeBSD would
> have me there in an instant.
https://wiki.netbsd.org/tutorials/how_to_set_up_a_xen_dom0/
--
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 20:55:02 +0300, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:44:01AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500
> > songbird wrote:
> >
> > > let us thank each one of them for their efforts
> > > to continue making Debian what it is:
> >
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00014.html
>
> The winners are:
> Option 4 "General Resolution is not required"
I ponder the implications of this vote. I suppose it means that the
current trajectory of Debian's development is held to be
satisfactory. Given this, n
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On 20/11/2014 5:45 AM, Brian wrote:
> The vast majority on debian-user see this list as being for the support
> of users who *use* Debian and not a talking shop about it. Encouragement
> to pervert its purpose is little short of bad manners, no matte
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 13:05:20 -0500, Doug wrote:
> On 11/19/2014 09:11 AM, songbird wrote:
> > the vote is in.
> >
> > let us thank each one of them for their efforts
> >to continue making Debian what it is:
> >
> > a fractious and wonderful expression of free source
> >code, the ability to
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >>No, not necessarily. For many, it means that Debian Linux is dying
> >>and will soon be dead -- or rather, no longer relevant. I just hop
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> songbird wrote:
>> kudoes, much love, go jessie!
>
>:-)) +1
:)
> Lisi
>
> This was intended for the list, not to go off-list. Sorry again, Songbird.
> I
> need to press L for the Debian list, not click on reply. And I don't
> remember to do it. I'll plead old age,
On 19 Nov 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >>No, not necessarily. For many, it means that Debian Linux is dying
> >>and will soon be dead -- or rather, no longer relevant. I just hope
> >>that the alternat
On 11/19/2014 09:11 AM, songbird wrote:
the vote is in.
let us thank each one of them for their efforts
to continue making Debian what it is:
a fractious and wonderful expression of free source
code, the ability to distribute such in a relatively
sane and safe manner.
kudoes, much
Hi.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:44:01AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500
> songbird wrote:
>
> > let us thank each one of them for their efforts
> > to continue making Debian what it is:
>
> Really ? I thought they were making Debian something quite different
On 19/11/14 15:44, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500
songbird wrote:
let us thank each one of them for their efforts
to continue making Debian what it is:
Really ? I thought they were making Debian something quite different from what
it is...
However you lo
golinux wrote:
On Wed, 11/19/14, songbird wrote:
Subject: the developers have spoken
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 8:11 AM
the vote is in.
[cut]
My beloved Debian, RIP. Very sad that the ride will be
Andrew McGlashan wrote:
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On 20/11/2014 4:01 AM, golinux wrote:
My beloved Debian, RIP. Very sad that the ride will be over when when
Squeeze and Wheezy (and possibly Jessie - jury is still out) get to EOL
. . .
golinux
(soon to be linuxrip)
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
No, not necessarily. For many, it means that Debian Linux is dying
and will soon be dead -- or rather, no longer relevant. I just hope
that the alternative in FreeBSD works out.
I encourage you to find o
Andrew McGlashan wrote:
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On 20/11/2014 1:11 AM, songbird wrote:
the vote is in.
let us thank each one of them for their efforts to continue making
Debian what it is:
a fractious and wonderful expression of free source code, the
ability to distrib
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On 20/11/2014 4:01 AM, golinux wrote:
> My beloved Debian, RIP. Very sad that the ride will be over when when
> Squeeze and Wheezy (and possibly Jessie - jury is still out) get to EOL
> . . .
>
> golinux
>
> (soon to be linuxrip)
1
I am great
On Wed, 11/19/14, songbird wrote:
Subject: the developers have spoken
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 8:11 AM
the vote is in.
[cut]
My beloved Debian, RIP. Very sad that the ride will be over when when
On 2014-11-19, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>>
> How old?
>
Not to ask milady's age now, in the upper echelons in which we navigate
here, old fellow, n'est-ce pas?
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On 19/11/14 at 05:03pm, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2014 16:49:13 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 19 November 2014 14:11:18 songbird wrote:
> > >> kudoes, much love, go jessie!
> > >>
> > > :-)) +1
> > >
> > > Lisi
> > >
> > > This was intended for
On Wednesday 19 November 2014 16:49:13 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 19 November 2014 14:11:18 songbird wrote:
> >> kudoes, much love, go jessie!
> >>
> > :-)) +1
> >
> > Lisi
> >
> > This was intended for the list, not to go off-list. Sorry again,
> > Songbird. I
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2014 14:11:18 songbird wrote:
kudoes, much love, go jessie!
:-)) +1
Lisi
This was intended for the list, not to go off-list. Sorry again, Songbird. I
need to press L for the Debian list, not click on reply. And I don't
remember to do it. I'l
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> No, not necessarily. For many, it means that Debian Linux is dying
> and will soon be dead -- or rather, no longer relevant. I just hope
> that the alternative in FreeBSD works out.
I encourage you to find out sooner, rather tha
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On 20/11/2014 1:11 AM, songbird wrote:
> the vote is in.
>
> let us thank each one of them for their efforts to continue making
> Debian what it is:
>
> a fractious and wonderful expression of free source code, the
> ability to distribute such in a
On Wednesday 19 November 2014 14:11:18 songbird wrote:
> kudoes, much love, go jessie!
:-)) +1
Lisi
This was intended for the list, not to go off-list. Sorry again, Songbird. I
need to press L for the Debian list, not click on reply. And I don't
remember to do it. I'll plead old age, ;-)
Le mercredi, 19 novembre 2014, 15.47:43 Raffaele Morelli a écrit :
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00014.html
>
> The winners are:
> Option 4 "General Resolution is not required"
For which the complete text [0] is:
> The Debian project asks its members to be cons
On 19/11/14 at 03:41pm, Dan wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:11 PM, songbird wrote:
> > the vote is in.
> >
> > let us thank each one of them for their efforts
> > to continue making Debian what it is:
> >
> > a fractious and wonderful expression of free source
> > code, the ability to dis
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500
songbird wrote:
> let us thank each one of them for their efforts
> to continue making Debian what it is:
Really ? I thought they were making Debian something quite different from what
it is...
Cheers,
Ron.
--
It is better to sleep on
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00171.html
On 19 November 2014 14:41, Dan wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:11 PM, songbird wrote:
> > the vote is in.
> >
> > let us thank each one of them for their efforts
> > to continue making Debian what it is:
> >
> > a fractious a
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:11 PM, songbird wrote:
> the vote is in.
>
> let us thank each one of them for their efforts
> to continue making Debian what it is:
>
> a fractious and wonderful expression of free source
> code, the ability to distribute such in a relatively
> sane and safe manner
the vote is in.
let us thank each one of them for their efforts
to continue making Debian what it is:
a fractious and wonderful expression of free source
code, the ability to distribute such in a relatively
sane and safe manner.
kudoes, much love, go jessie!
songbird
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