Re: usr-merge, was Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 21:13:42 (-0500), Kenneth Parker wrote: > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 12:51 PM David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 02 Jan 2020 at 06:04:03 (-0500), Steve Litt wrote that usr-merge > > causes problems with systems that are initramfs-free (and /usr is a > > mounted filesystem). I don't t

Re: usr-merge, was Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 12:51 PM David Wright wrote: > On Wed 01 Jan 2020 at 18:48:00 (+0100), Sven Hartge wrote: > > David Wright wrote: > > > > > But this does follow the (snipped) comment 'the "/usr Merge" that > > > might hit a fan someday'. For those *not* preparing packages for > > > Debian

Re: usr-merge, was Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Thu 02 Jan 2020 at 19:49:45 (+0100), Sven Hartge wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 01 Jan 2020 at 18:48:00 (+0100), Sven Hartge wrote: > >> David Wright wrote: > > >>> But this does follow the (snipped) comment 'the "/usr Merge" that > >>> might hit a fan someday'. For those *not* prep

Re: usr-merge, was Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

David Wright wrote: > On Wed 01 Jan 2020 at 18:48:00 (+0100), Sven Hartge wrote: >> David Wright wrote: >>> But this does follow the (snipped) comment 'the "/usr Merge" that >>> might hit a fan someday'. For those *not* preparing packages for >>> Debian and/or other distributions, can anyone ex

Re: usr-merge, was Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Wed 01 Jan 2020 at 18:48:00 (+0100), Sven Hartge wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > But this does follow the (snipped) comment 'the "/usr Merge" that > > might hit a fan someday'. For those *not* preparing packages for > > Debian and/or other distributions, can anyone express a downside > > to

Re: usr-merge, was Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

David Wright wrote: > But this does follow the (snipped) comment 'the "/usr Merge" that > might hit a fan someday'. For those *not* preparing packages for > Debian and/or other distributions, can anyone express a downside > to usr-merge, ie for typical "user/consumers". For me the biggest downsi

Re: usr-merge, was Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Wed 01 Jan 2020 at 11:04:32 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 31 dec 19, 16:56:31, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 04:23:24PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 03:34:34PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > > > > [...] > >

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Ma, 31 dec 19, 12:22:59, ghe wrote: > Sven and Andrei, I told you lies. The script's not a daemon. I added > Sven's suggested lines to the .service file, re-enabled it, rebooted, > and it came up exactly as I wanted it to. > > Apparently what it does is build an iptables firewall, and quit. The

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Ma, 31 dec 19, 16:56:31, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 04:23:24PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 03:34:34PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > > [...] > > > >> The usr-merge is already here, if you install Debian Buster [...] >

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

ghe wrote: > Sven and Andrei, I told you lies. The script's not a daemon. I added > Sven's suggested lines to the .service file, re-enabled it, rebooted, > and it came up exactly as I wanted it to. Aha! Thought as much. While I myself have written daemons in bash, doing so is at least unusual.

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

ghe wrote: > On 12/31/19 6:09 AM, Sven Hartge wrote: >> Care to share your Shell-Script? > I'd have no problem with that -- it's been very useful to me over the > years, and I'd be glad for someone to use it. > However. It was written 20 years ago when I was just figuring out > Linux and the s

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

Sven and Andrei, I told you lies. The script's not a daemon. I added Sven's suggested lines to the .service file, re-enabled it, rebooted, and it came up exactly as I wanted it to. Apparently what it does is build an iptables firewall, and quit. Then when I ask for things, it comes up, crudely pa

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On 12/31/19 6:09 AM, Sven Hartge wrote: > Care to share your Shell-Script? I'd have no problem with that -- it's been very useful to me over the years, and I'd be glad for someone to use it. However. It was written 20 years ago when I was just figuring out Linux and the shell, and it's been 'up

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 04:23:24PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 03:34:34PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: [...] > >> The usr-merge is already here, if you install Debian Buster [...] > > or upgrading from a non-user-merge installation :-) > > Sure.

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

tony wrote: > On 31/12/2019 15:34, Sven Hartge wrote: >> Kenneth Parker wrote: >> >>> +1 for information, on where System Files are stored on Debian, as well as >>> for the reminder of the "/usr Merge" that might hit a fan someday. >> >> The usr-merge is already here, if you install Debian Bust

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 04:02:46PM +0100, tony wrote: > Well, a while ago, I upgrade my stretch to buster, but I see no evidence > of symlinks to /usr in my root fs. How come? https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#merged-usr https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerg

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On 31/12/2019 15:34, Sven Hartge wrote: > Kenneth Parker wrote: > >> +1 for information, on where System Files are stored on Debian, as well as >> for the reminder of the "/usr Merge" that might hit a fan someday. > > The usr-merge is already here, if you install Debian Buster. The > installer c

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 03:34:34PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: >> Kenneth Parker wrote: >>> +1 for information, on where System Files are stored on Debian, as >>> well as for the reminder of the "/usr Merge" that might hit a fan >>> someday. >> >> The usr-merge is alread

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 03:34:34PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > +1 for information, on where System Files are stored on Debian, as well as > > for the reminder of the "/usr Merge" that might hit a fan someday. > > The usr-merge is already here, if you install Debian Bu

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

Kenneth Parker wrote: > +1 for information, on where System Files are stored on Debian, as well as > for the reminder of the "/usr Merge" that might hit a fan someday. The usr-merge is already here, if you install Debian Buster. The installer creates a usr-merged filesystem and you, short of rem

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 8:42 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:30:05AM -0700, ghe wrote: > > As I said before, (grumble, grumble, systemd, grumble, grumble). It > seems to be pretty nicely done system code, but with an absolutely > abominable user interface. So far, I know of sys

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:30:05AM -0700, ghe wrote: > As I said before, (grumble, grumble, systemd, grumble, grumble). It seems to > be pretty nicely done system code, but with an absolutely abominable user > interface. So far, I know of systemd dirs in /lib, /etc, and /usr. That's no > way to

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 05:07:47PM -0700, ghe wrote: > root@test:~# systemctl status ipfilter > ● ipfilter.service - packetFilter >Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/ipfilter.service; enabled; > vendor preset: enabled) packages.debian.org says: You have searched for files named /usr/lib/

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

ghe wrote: > On 12/31/19 1:05 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >>> I guess I misunderstood the term 'daemon.' I thought it was just a >>> piece of software that, when run, stays run until it's through -- when >>> it's started at boot and has no exit, hangs around in the background >>> doing stuff. Un

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Tuesday 31 December 2019 05:37:54 Joe wrote: > On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 04:37:10 -0500 > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 31 December 2019 02:30:05 ghe wrote: > > > > On Dec 30, 2019, at 05:47 PM, Sven Hartge > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Please show the output of > > > > > > > >systemctl

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 04:37:10 -0500 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 31 December 2019 02:30:05 ghe wrote: > > > > On Dec 30, 2019, at 05:47 PM, Sven Hartge > > > wrote: > > > > > > Please show the output of > > > > > >systemctl cat YOUR_SERVICE_UNIT > > > > > > This will show all additions a

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On 2019-12-31 09:21, ghe wrote: But what I'm really looking for is a comprehensive book on systemd like the 40 pounder 'Learning Python' or other O'Reilly, etc, books that've saved my life in the past few years. (I'm more comfortable with dead trees than I am with screens.) When Microsoft was

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Tuesday 31 December 2019 02:30:05 ghe wrote: > > On Dec 30, 2019, at 05:47 PM, Sven Hartge > > wrote: > > > > Please show the output of > > > >systemctl cat YOUR_SERVICE_UNIT > > > > This will show all additions and overrides to the unit. > > root@test:~# systemctl cat ipfilter > # /usr/li

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On 12/31/19 1:05 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> I guess I misunderstood the term 'daemon.' I thought it was just a >> piece of software that, when run, stays run until it's through -- when >> it's started at boot and has no exit, hangs around in the background >> doing stuff. Unless somebody tell

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 02:08:17PM +0900, 황병희 wrote: > > I actually do enjoy off-topic tangents, and [...] > > Me too, happy new year tomás ^^^ Happy new year to yo, too (and to all others here). May your dreams come true, whether you like systemd or not :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Descripti

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Ma, 31 dec 19, 00:30:05, ghe wrote: > > I guess I misunderstood the term 'daemon.' I thought it was just a > piece of software that, when run, stays run until it's through -- when > it's started at boot and has no exit, hangs around in the background > doing stuff. Unless somebody tells it t

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

> On Dec 30, 2019, at 05:47 PM, Sven Hartge wrote: > > Please show the output of > >systemctl cat YOUR_SERVICE_UNIT > > This will show all additions and overrides to the unit. root@test:~# systemctl cat ipfilter # /usr/lib/systemd/system/ipfilter.service [Unit] Description=packetFilter

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

> I actually do enjoy off-topic tangents, and [...] Me too, happy new year tomás ^^^ Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea -- ^고맙습니다 _地平天成_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

ghe wrote: > On 12/30/19 3:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> Please show us the full output of >> >> systemctl status YOUR_SERVICE_UNIT > root@test:~# systemctl status ipfilter > ● ipfilter.service - packetFilter >Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/ipfilter.service; enabled; > vendor

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On 12/30/19 3:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Please show us the full output of > > systemctl status YOUR_SERVICE_UNIT root@test:~# systemctl status ipfilter ● ipfilter.service - packetFilter Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/ipfilter.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Acti

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

Omg another systemd thread jeez On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 6:12 PM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 30 dec 19, 15:12:54, ghe wrote: > > On 12/30/19 1:08 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > Did you forget to "enable" it? > > > > Nope. It works by hand, and after boot, systemctl status claims it's > > run

Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 15:12:54, ghe wrote: > On 12/30/19 1:08 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > Did you forget to "enable" it? > > Nope. It works by hand, and after boot, systemctl status claims it's > running. But is isn't. Please show us the full output of systemctl status YOUR_SERVICE_UNIT

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 10:01:55, Gene Heskett wrote: > But it sure would be nice if the manpages were a little more obvious. > :) Options seem to be well explained but commonly used examples that > one can play with to learn how it works are thin. A good tut that > passed as a manpage would likely re

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On 12/30/19 1:08 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Did you forget to "enable" it? Nope. It works by hand, and after boot, systemctl status claims it's running. But is isn't. > See also . Already saw it :-) I'm missing something that is going to be patently ob

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 11:34:43PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 30 dec 19, 10:23:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a lost > > > cause because [...] > > >

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 10:13:50, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, December 30, 2019 08:48:20 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a lost > > > cause because they don't have a m

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Monday 30 December 2019 15:16:34 Jude DaShiell wrote: > On Mon, 30 Dec 2019, ghe wrote: > > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 14:49:36 > > From: ghe > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Subject: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq) > > Resent-Date: Mon

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 13:14:55, Charles Curley wrote: > On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:49:36 -0700 > ghe wrote: > > > A systemd-user list would be a good idea too. > > I'll second that. -1 from me. There's nothing so special about systemd that would require a dedicated list. Kind regards, Andrei -- http

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 10:23:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a lost > > cause because [...] > > Please, don't misrepresent me. I *never* "chased anyone off" from > asking r

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:49:36 -0700 ghe wrote: > A systemd-user list would be a good idea too. I'll second that. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Monday 30 December 2019 14:49:36 ghe wrote: > Goodness. My asking for a little help with systemd seems to have > started the closest thing to a flame war I remember seeing on a Debian > mailing list. > > I apologize for that, but I learned a lot. SSH works now, but I can't > get my own *.servic

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019, ghe wrote: > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 14:49:36 > From: ghe > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq) > Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 20:06:09 + (UTC) > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org > >

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 11:12 AM Eduardo M KALINOWSKI < edua...@kalinowski.com.br> wrote: > On seg, 30 dez 2019, rhkramer wrote: > > It would not be that hard to create a new mailing list for raspbian > users, > > maybe over on groups.io (can even be done for free). > > There are already support c

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:49:36PM -0700, ghe wrote: > SSH works now, but I can't > get my own *.service file to work at boot (does manually, though), but I > now have several things to look for. Did you forget to "enable" it? See also .

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

Goodness. My asking for a little help with systemd seems to have started the closest thing to a flame war I remember seeing on a Debian mailing list. I apologize for that, but I learned a lot. SSH works now, but I can't get my own *.service file to work at boot (does manually, though), but I now h

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Monday 30 December 2019 12:40:14 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, December 30, 2019 10:40:42 AM Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > > There are already support channels for raspbian: > > https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/ . True, it's a forum, not a > > mailing list, but it's probably better t

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 10:23:27 +0100 wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 29 December 2019 17:19:06 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > Unforch Tomas, we are not likely to see any progress toward acceptance of > > systemd [...] > > I'm not ask

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Monday, December 30, 2019 10:40:42 AM Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > There are already support channels for raspbian: > https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/ . True, it's a forum, not a > mailing list, but it's probably better to use that than to split > support in two places. Disclaimer: I don't

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On seg, 30 dez 2019, rhkramer wrote: It would not be that hard to create a new mailing list for raspbian users, maybe over on groups.io (can even be done for free). There are already support channels for raspbian: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/ . True, it's a forum, not a mailing list,

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Monday 30 December 2019 10:13:50 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, December 30, 2019 08:48:20 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a > > > lost cause because they don't

New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Monday, December 30, 2019 08:48:20 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a lost > > cause because they don't have a mailing list, but a forum generally > > populated by uppity fol

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Monday 30 December 2019 04:23:27 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 29 December 2019 17:19:06 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > Unforch Tomas, we are not likely to see any progress toward > > acceptance of systemd [...] >

Re: systemdq

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a lost > cause because they don't have a mailing list, but a forum generally > populated by uppity folks, [...] That does not mean you can post Raspbian problems HERE.

Re: systemdq

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 02:57:40PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > Debian (not rasbian) seems to put sshd into place at installation time. > > charles@hawk:~$ locate sshd.service > /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service > /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/sshd.service > charles@hawk:~$ > > The

Re: systemdq

Hi. On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:33:28AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > dpkg would not even warn if one would install packages from one on the > other (they are both "armhf"), but the result is hard to predict. For Raspberry Pi the result was predictable. If a package was providing a binar

On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 29 December 2019 17:19:06 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > Unforch Tomas, we are not likely to see any progress toward acceptance of > systemd [...] I'm not asking for "acceptance of systemd" or something (FWIW I still run

Re: systemdq

On Du, 29 dec 19, 18:57:12, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 29 December 2019 17:19:06 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 05:11:18PM -0500, chris wrote: > > > There's nothing wrong with not being a fan of systemd. > > > > Absolutely not. Myself, I'm not a fan either. > > > > > It

Re: systemdq

On Du, 29 dec 19, 15:01:21, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Andrei POPESCU (2019-12-29 14:21:30) > > > > Raspbian (note the 'B') was created because Debian's armhf port requires > > an ARMv7 processor, whereas the original Raspberry Pi (Raspberry Pi 1 > > model B) is ARMv6. > > Raspbian ports

Re: systemdq

On Du, 29 dec 19, 11:23:33, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 29 December 2019 08:21:30 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > Debian also has an armhf port[1]. > > Not at all obvious from the available downloads selections. I can only guess you are expecting to find ready-made images. Considering the vari

Re: systemdq [Solved]

On Du, 29 dec 19, 14:57:19, ghe wrote: > > Amazing. I'm a self-taught *nix geek, but I've never seen a release > without SSH. Not since I figured out what SSH is, anyway. Makes me > question the sanity of the otherwise quite rational 'Pi folks. Depending on what you mean by "release" Debian doesn

Re: systemdq [Solved]

On Du, 29 dec 19, 20:21:48, Reco wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 09:40:29AM -0700, ghe wrote: > > Somebody just forgot to enable SSH while preparing the Raspian Buster > > release, it looks like. > > Nope. It was deliberate - [1] (note the "ssh" part). > > > > And I didn't know enough about sys

Re: systemdq [Solved]

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 02:57:19PM -0700, ghe wrote: > On 12/29/19 10:21 AM, Reco wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 09:40:29AM -0700, ghe wrote: > >> Somebody just forgot to enable SSH while preparing the Raspian Buster > >> release, it looks like. > > > > Nope. It was deliberate - [1] (note t

Re: systemdq [Solved]

On Sun 29 Dec 2019 at 14:57:19 (-0700), ghe wrote: > On 12/29/19 10:21 AM, Reco wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 09:40:29AM -0700, ghe wrote: > >> Somebody just forgot to enable SSH while preparing the Raspian Buster > >> release, it looks like. > > > > Nope. It was deliberate - [1] (note the "s

Re: systemdq

On Sunday 29 December 2019 17:19:06 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 05:11:18PM -0500, chris wrote: > > There's nothing wrong with not being a fan of systemd. > > Absolutely not. Myself, I'm not a fan either. > > > It's good to let people know there's a active community that isn't

Re: systemdq

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 05:11:18PM -0500, chris wrote: > There's nothing wrong with not being a fan of systemd. Absolutely not. Myself, I'm not a fan either. > It's good to let people know there's a active community that isn't > overly impressed [...] But what I definitely don't like either is t

Re: systemdq

There's nothing wrong with not being a fan of systemd. It's good to let people know there's a active community that isn't overly impressed and the link also shows that recent poll shows its quite popular position that there should be alternatives supported. Thankfully it's still possible to have a

Re: systemdq [Solved]

On 12/29/19 10:21 AM, Reco wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 09:40:29AM -0700, ghe wrote: >> Somebody just forgot to enable SSH while preparing the Raspian Buster >> release, it looks like. > > Nope. It was deliberate - [1] (note the "ssh" part). Amazing. I'm a self-taught *nix geek, but I've nev

Re: systemdq [Solved]

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 09:40:29AM -0700, ghe wrote: > Somebody just forgot to enable SSH while preparing the Raspian Buster > release, it looks like. Nope. It was deliberate - [1] (note the "ssh" part). > And I didn't know enough about systemd to > realize that was what the error message was tr

Re: systemdq [Solved]

On 2019-12-29, ghe wrote: > On 12/29/19 7:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> The correct solution to your problem would have been: >> >> systemctl enable ssh > > Exactly. > Right. Thanks for clearing that up! -- "J'ai pour me guérir du jugement des autres toute la distance qui me sépare de

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On 12/29/19 7:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > The correct solution to your problem would have been: > > systemctl enable ssh Exactly. The ssh.service files are identical on Debian Buster (this box) and on Raspian Buster (the RPi4 over there). As is the list of ssh* files -- was before I crea

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On Sunday 29 December 2019 08:21:30 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 28 dec 19, 12:06:25, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 28 December 2019 11:08:20 ghe wrote: > > > On 12/27/19 5:02 PM, Nektarios Katakis wrote: > > > > Have you tried removing openssh-server package and reinstalling > > > > it? >

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On Sb, 28 dec 19, 15:07:27, ghe wrote: > Trivial in retrospect. > > There were several ssh* files in /lib/systemd/service. None named sshd*. > I copied the one named ssh.service to sshd.service, enabled it, > rebooted, and there is was. For the archives, the Debian package only ships the unit 'ss

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Quoting Andrei POPESCU (2019-12-29 14:21:30) > On Sb, 28 dec 19, 12:06:25, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 28 December 2019 11:08:20 ghe wrote: > > > > > On 12/27/19 5:02 PM, Nektarios Katakis wrote: > > > > Have you tried removing openssh-server package and reinstalling it? > > > > > > Anothe

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On Sb, 28 dec 19, 12:06:25, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 28 December 2019 11:08:20 ghe wrote: > > > On 12/27/19 5:02 PM, Nektarios Katakis wrote: > > > Have you tried removing openssh-server package and reinstalling it? > > > > Another hopefully good suggestion. Thanks, and I'll try it. > > >

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On Sb, 28 dec 19, 15:07:27, ghe wrote: > Trivial in retrospect. > > There were several ssh* files in /lib/systemd/service. None named sshd*. > I copied the one named ssh.service to sshd.service, enabled it, > rebooted, and there is was. > > An interesting question is why things are different in R

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 08:38:25PM -0500, chris wrote: > dont worry the resistance to systemd is still strong not everyone drinks > the kool aid What I don't understand is why you have to put this under such antagonistic terms. Cheers -- tomás signature.asc Description: Digital signature

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dont worry the resistance to systemd is still strong not everyone drinks the kool aid https://linux.slashdot.org/story/19/12/08/2131220/debian-begins-voting-on-supporting-non-systemd-init-options https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002#textb On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 6:40 PM ghe wrote: > SSH

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On 12/28/19 2:57 PM, Charles Curley wrote: > Oddly enough, the sshd package does not provide sshd.service as a file > at all, but may create it as part of the installation process. It does > provide ssh.service. I haven't looked at the Debian unit files, but SSH and SSHD both seem to be in the R

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Trivial in retrospect. There were several ssh* files in /lib/systemd/service. None named sshd*. I copied the one named ssh.service to sshd.service, enabled it, rebooted, and there is was. An interesting question is why things are different in Raspian Stretch on a 3+. For the time being, I'll just

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ghe writes: >>Have you tried commands of this sort? # systemctl enable sshd.service # systemctl start sshd.service # systemctl status sshd.service >From asking it to start at boot: Failed to save action : Systemd service ssh cannot be created unless a command is given Trying the suggested co

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On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 14:15:36 -0700 ghe wrote: > >>Have you tried commands of this sort? > > # systemctl enable sshd.service > # systemctl start sshd.service > # systemctl status sshd.service > > >From asking it to start at boot: > > Failed to save action : Systemd service ssh cannot be cre

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>>Have you tried commands of this sort? # systemctl enable sshd.service # systemctl start sshd.service # systemctl status sshd.service >From asking it to start at boot: Failed to save action : Systemd service ssh cannot be created unless a command is given Trying the suggested commands: Fai

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On Saturday 28 December 2019 12:47:16 Curt wrote: > On 2019-12-28, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 28 December 2019 11:08:20 ghe wrote: > >> On 12/27/19 5:02 PM, Nektarios Katakis wrote: > >> > Have you tried removing openssh-server package and reinstalling > >> > it? > >> > >> Another hopefu

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On 2019-12-28, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 28 December 2019 11:08:20 ghe wrote: > >> On 12/27/19 5:02 PM, Nektarios Katakis wrote: >> > Have you tried removing openssh-server package and reinstalling it? >> >> Another hopefully good suggestion. Thanks, and I'll try it. >> >> > If you re usin

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On Saturday 28 December 2019 11:08:20 ghe wrote: > On 12/27/19 5:02 PM, Nektarios Katakis wrote: > > Have you tried removing openssh-server package and reinstalling it? > > Another hopefully good suggestion. Thanks, and I'll try it. > > > If you re using any version of Debian > > Raspian Buster.

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On 12/27/19 5:02 PM, Nektarios Katakis wrote: > Have you tried removing openssh-server package and reinstalling it? Another hopefully good suggestion. Thanks, and I'll try it. > If you re using any version of Debian Raspian Buster. -- Glenn English

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On 12/27/19 4:50 PM, Linux-Fan wrote: > Have you tried commands of this sort? Not yet, but I will in a few minutes. My problem was that the error message was more of the "Oops" type rather than suggesting what I might do about it. > # systemctl enable sshd.service > # systemctl start sshd.servic

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On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 16:24:30 -0700 ghe wrote: > SSH isn't starting at boot on my server. When I try to set it to do > that, systemd says it can't do that 'without a command.' > > What kind of command makes it happy? Where does it need to be? > > (I've futzed with the ssh file in /etc/default, e

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ghe writes: SSH isn't starting at boot on my server. When I try to set it to do that, systemd says it can't do that 'without a command.' What kind of command makes it happy? Where does it need to be? (I've futzed with the ssh file in /etc/default, even entered a command: (qwerty="42" -- it was

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SSH isn't starting at boot on my server. When I try to set it to do that, systemd says it can't do that 'without a command.' What kind of command makes it happy? Where does it need to be? (I've futzed with the ssh file in /etc/default, even entered a command: (qwerty="42" -- it wasn't impressed).