Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-12 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 13/02/14 07:07, Dan Purgert wrote: > On 12/02/2014 13:30, Paul E Condon wrote: >> On 20140212_200320, Lars Noodén wrote: >>> On 02/12/2014 07:34 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: ... Question: Suppose I encounter this situation of the 'known host' having moved to a different IP address (or

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-12 Thread Dan Purgert
On 12/02/2014 13:30, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20140212_200320, Lars Noodén wrote: On 02/12/2014 07:34 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: ... Question: Suppose I encounter this situation of the 'known host' having moved to a different IP address (or a different URL?), is there a way to discover whether the

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-12 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20140212_200320, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 02/12/2014 07:34 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: > > ... > > Question: Suppose I encounter this situation of the 'known host' having > > moved to a different IP address (or a different URL?), is there a way > > to discover whether the change is due to a proper f

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-12 Thread Brian
On Wed 12 Feb 2014 at 10:34:33 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > Question: Suppose I encounter this situation of the 'known host' having > moved to a different IP address (or a different URL?), is there a way > to discover whether the change is due to a proper functioning DynDNS, > or to a somewhat un

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-12 Thread Lars Noodén
On 02/12/2014 07:34 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: > ... > Question: Suppose I encounter this situation of the 'known host' having > moved to a different IP address (or a different URL?), is there a way > to discover whether the change is due to a proper functioning DynDNS, > or to a somewhat unstealthy

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-12 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20140212_152909, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 02/12/2014 02:59 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 15:22:26 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: > > > >> ssh-keygen -r checks the SSHFP record in DNS. Use grep or something to > >> check known_hosts. For me, ssh-keygen -R does not remove all the > >> dy

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-12 Thread Lars Noodén
On 02/12/2014 02:59 PM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 15:22:26 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: > >> ssh-keygen -r checks the SSHFP record in DNS. Use grep or something to >> check known_hosts. For me, ssh-keygen -R does not remove all the >> dynamically generated host keys, however. I've not y

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-12 Thread Brian
On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 15:22:26 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: > ssh-keygen -r checks the SSHFP record in DNS. Use grep or something to > check known_hosts. For me, ssh-keygen -R does not remove all the > dynamically generated host keys, however. I've not yet identified what > confounds ssh-keygen.

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers [OT?]

2014-02-12 Thread Brian
On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 06:52:10 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > I'm puzzled about the apparent 'security theater' on this topic. > Known host checking is done, I think, to defend against 'man in the > middle', so when the known host key changes because of some event down > in the bowels of dynamic dn

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:56:41PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 2/11/14, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 10:10:37 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> I'm wondering: > >> 1) how to easily clean known_hosts > > > > ssh-keygen with the -R option. > > $ HOST=raptor > $ ssh-keygen -r $HOST

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers [OT?]

2014-02-11 Thread Lars Noodén
On 02/11/2014 03:52 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: > ... Known host checking is done, I think, to defend against 'man in > the middle', so when the known host key changes because of some event > down in the bowels of dynamic dns, does one have any possibility of > determining that it is truly *not* a ma

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers [OT?]

2014-02-11 Thread Jochen Spieker
Paul E Condon: > > I'm puzzled about the apparent 'security theater' on this topic. > Known host checking is done, I think, to defend against 'man in the > middle', Exactly. > so when the known host key changes because of some event down > in the bowels of dynamic dns, does one have any possibili

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers [OT?]

2014-02-11 Thread Paul E Condon
I'm puzzled about the apparent 'security theater' on this topic. Known host checking is done, I think, to defend against 'man in the middle', so when the known host key changes because of some event down in the bowels of dynamic dns, does one have any possibility of determining that it is truly *no

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-11 Thread Lars Noodén
On 02/11/2014 02:56 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 2/11/14, Brian wrote: >> On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 10:10:37 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >>> I'm wondering: >>> 1) how to easily clean known_hosts >> >> ssh-keygen with the -R option. > > Sounds great! (also, the CheckHostIP = no option looks very

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/11/14, Brian wrote: > On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 10:10:37 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> I'm wondering: >> 1) how to easily clean known_hosts > > ssh-keygen with the -R option. Sounds great! (also, the CheckHostIP = no option looks very useful in this regard, thanks Karl) However - it seems to

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-11 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 09:53:32AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > With a dyndns type server, each time a new ip address happens, ssh > login adds a new entry to .known_hosts > > Is there a recommended way to handle this? Turn off CheckHostIP ? For the uninitiated, in your ~/.ssh/config file

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-11 Thread Brian
On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 10:10:37 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > I'm wondering: > > 1) how to easily clean known_hosts ssh-keygen with the -R option. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org A

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-10 Thread Lars Noodén
On 02/11/2014 01:10 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On Feb 10, 2014 2:53 PM, "Zenaan Harkness" wrote: >>> With a dyndns type server, each time a new ip address happens, ssh >>> login adds a new entry to .known_hosts >>> >>> Is there a recommended way to handle this? > > On 2/11/14, Schlacta, Christ

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
> On Feb 10, 2014 2:53 PM, "Zenaan Harkness" wrote: >> With a dyndns type server, each time a new ip address happens, ssh >> login adds a new entry to .known_hosts >> >> Is there a recommended way to handle this? On 2/11/14, Schlacta, Christ wrote: > Configure static dhcp leases for your server

ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

2014-02-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
With a dyndns type server, each time a new ip address happens, ssh login adds a new entry to .known_hosts Is there a recommended way to handle this? TIA Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.d