Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread Tom Cook
On 0, Seneca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:11:23PM -0500, dman wrote: > > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:32:06PM -0400, Seneca wrote: > > | On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:21:11PM -0500, dman wrote: > > | > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:25:11PM -0400, Seneca wrote: > > | > | On Wed,

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:11:23PM -0500, dman wrote: > Actually, for compilation use jikes. It's written in C++ and is way > sleeker than javac (faster, lighter weight, better error messages). Although, I say from experience, an utter pig to compile. :) gcc takes over 100Mb of memory here to com

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread Seneca
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:11:23PM -0500, dman wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:32:06PM -0400, Seneca wrote: > | On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:21:11PM -0500, dman wrote: > | > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:25:11PM -0400, Seneca wrote: > | > | On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 03:25:47PM -0500, Ron wrote: > | >

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread dman
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:32:06PM -0400, Seneca wrote: | On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:21:11PM -0500, dman wrote: | > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:25:11PM -0400, Seneca wrote: | > | On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 03:25:47PM -0500, Ron wrote: | > ... | > | > P.S. - Confirmation messages are not a "feature"! |

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread Seneca
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:21:11PM -0500, dman wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:25:11PM -0400, Seneca wrote: > | On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 03:25:47PM -0500, Ron wrote: > ... > | > P.S. - Confirmation messages are not a "feature"! > | > | They are when they meet the teacher's specifications: writ

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread dman
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:25:11PM -0400, Seneca wrote: | On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 03:25:47PM -0500, Ron wrote: ... | > P.S. - Confirmation messages are not a "feature"! | | They are when they meet the teacher's specifications: written in java, | use AWT, are a class, and use buttons, frames, and

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread Seneca
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 03:25:47PM -0500, Ron wrote: > On Wed, 2002-05-08 at 14:33, Seneca wrote: > > On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 09:11:50PM -0500, dman wrote: > > > On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 09:55:17PM -0400, Seneca wrote: > > > | On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 06:03:39PM -0500, dman wrote: > > > | > On Wed, M

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread Seneca
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 03:14:04PM -0500, dman wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 03:33:47PM -0400, Seneca wrote: > | On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 09:11:50PM -0500, dman wrote: > > | > What services is that system running? It sounds like you're trying to > | > push the machine way too far. How powerful

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread Ron
On Wed, 2002-05-08 at 14:33, Seneca wrote: > On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 09:11:50PM -0500, dman wrote: > > On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 09:55:17PM -0400, Seneca wrote: > > | On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 06:03:39PM -0500, dman wrote: > > | > On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:15:36PM -0400, Seneca Cunningham wrote: [snip

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread dman
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 03:33:47PM -0400, Seneca wrote: | On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 09:11:50PM -0500, dman wrote: | > What services is that system running? It sounds like you're trying to | > push the machine way too far. How powerful is it (CPU, RAM)? | | This system is my most powerful one. It'

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread Seneca
ng I was wondering about would generally be considered a > | > | maximum "safe" load average. > | > > | > I often run between .5 and 1 on my two machines (one desktop one > | > laptop). One is my mail server, web server, desktop, and both are > | > music

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Tue, 7 May 2002 21:56:57 -0400 "Seneca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would if I could afford it, I can't even afford to buy lunch, much > less a pair of 16M DIMMs (and that would max out this laptop's memory). > The only memory laying around is physically incompatible with my laptop. Where a

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 21:32, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > At 2002-05-08T01:56:57Z, Seneca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > More RAM perhaps to bring down the swapping load? > > > I would if I could afford it, I can't even afford to buy lunch, much less > > a pair of 16M DIMMs (and that would max

Re: safe load average

2002-05-08 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2002-05-08T01:56:57Z, Seneca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > More RAM perhaps to bring down the swapping load? > I would if I could afford it, I can't even afford to buy lunch, much less > a pair of 16M DIMMs (and that would max out this laptop's memory). The > only memory laying around is p

Re: safe load average

2002-05-07 Thread dman
On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 09:55:17PM -0400, Seneca wrote: | On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 06:03:39PM -0500, dman wrote: | > On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:15:36PM -0400, Seneca Cunningham wrote: | > | > | So, something I was wondering about would generally be considered a | > | maximum "s

Re: safe load average

2002-05-07 Thread Seneca
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 11:52:22AM +1000, John Griffiths wrote: > > > >Any suggestions on how to cool this thing down (other than removing the > >builtin keyboard and putting bags of ice on the heatsink (I can't afford > >the ice or the external keyboard)). Other than a new computer or > >upgraded

Re: safe load average

2002-05-07 Thread John Griffiths
> >Any suggestions on how to cool this thing down (other than removing the >builtin keyboard and putting bags of ice on the heatsink (I can't afford >the ice or the external keyboard)). Other than a new computer or >upgraded hardware, I can't afford it. > More RAM perhaps to bring down the swappin

Re: safe load average

2002-05-07 Thread Seneca
On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 06:03:39PM -0500, dman wrote: > On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:15:36PM -0400, Seneca Cunningham wrote: > > | So, something I was wondering about would generally be considered a > | maximum "safe" load average. > > I often run between .5 and 1 on

Re: safe load average

2002-05-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 09:18:01AM -1000, Joseph Dane wrote: > > "Colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Colin> The load average refers to the average number of processes > Colin> that are runnable or in uninterruptible sleep. The latter > Colin> usually indicates I/O. > >

Re: safe load average

2002-05-07 Thread Joseph Dane
> "Colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Colin> The load average refers to the average number of processes Colin> that are runnable or in uninterruptible sleep. The latter Colin> usually indicates I/O. I did not know that. still, processes in uninterruptible sleep are certain

Re: safe load average

2002-05-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 08:17:11AM -1000, Joseph Dane wrote: > > "Kirk" == Kirk Strauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Kirk> "Safe"? I think you should be more interested in CPU states > Kirk> than load average. For example, consider running 50 webserver > Kirk> processes, all of which

Re: safe load average

2002-05-07 Thread Joseph Dane
it state. Your load Kirk> average may be near 50, but your CPU may be sitting mostly Kirk> idle. As another example, pretend you're running an RC5 or no. "load average" refers to the average length of the run queue. processes blocked on I/O are not on that queue. to the OP

Re: safe load average

2002-05-06 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2002-05-02T02:15:36Z, Seneca Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So, something I was wondering about would generally be considered a > maximum "safe" load average. I have had some problems with some hardware > that look almost as if this machine wants to become a

Re: safe load average

2002-05-06 Thread dman
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:15:36PM -0400, Seneca Cunningham wrote: | So, something I was wondering about would generally be considered a | maximum "safe" load average. I often run between .5 and 1 on my two machines (one desktop one laptop). One is my mail server, web server, desktop

Re: safe load average

2002-05-01 Thread Jeffrey Baker
to > come up. The maximum operating temperature listed in my manual is 35C > (internal or external, I'm not sure which, but I'm hoping external), > while the cards feel like they're at least 45. > > So, something I was wondering about would generally be considered a &g

safe load average

2002-05-01 Thread Seneca Cunningham
the cards feel like they're at least 45. So, something I was wondering about would generally be considered a maximum "safe" load average. I have had some problems with some hardware that look almost as if this machine wants to become a toaster (hopefully the hardware wasn't d