On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Gudmundur Erlingsson wrote:
> Ok, It seems like the cool-factor of LISP is as high as you can get, but what
> are it's practical merits? If one intends to hack Emacs, then LISP is of
> course essential, but does it go beyond that? (I'm thinking practical, it of
> course would b
>
> Ok, It seems like the cool-factor of LISP is as high as you can get, but what
> are it's practical merits? If one intends to hack Emacs, then LISP is of
> course essential, but does it go beyond that? (I'm thinking practical, it of
> course would be quite interesting to learn from a CS standpo
On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 10:30:52PM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
>
> Anyway it's a moot issue now. See this story:
>
> http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/01/parrot.htm
>
> I'm writing a cross-platform ActiveX control with it as we speak!
Yeah, that's a very nice April fools day joke... :)
Anyway it's a moot issue now. See this story:
http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/01/parrot.htm
I'm writing a cross-platform ActiveX control with it as we speak!
--
Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 07:16:18PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> > my @files = sort
> > map { $dir . "/$_" }
> > grep { !/^\./ }
> > readdir DIR;
> >
> > I find this far more readable, but that's me.
>
> consider having all the indends the
"Michael P. Soulier" wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 05:57:50PM -0700, Robert Cymbala wrote:
> >
> > Can't just split lines in Python? Splitting lines where it's logical
> > to do so is possible. Here's a sample, created with CPython mode in
> > Emacs. The entire script is at:
> > http://www
On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 05:57:50PM -0700, Robert Cymbala wrote:
>
> Can't just split lines in Python? Splitting lines where it's logical
> to do so is possible. Here's a sample, created with CPython mode in
> Emacs. The entire script is at:
> http://www.lafn.org/~cymbala/photospy.html
>
> 131
Michael P. Soulier wrote:
>Oh, I didn't say this one tied your hands, except for the fact
>that I find it more difficult to make my code readable, because I
>can't just split lines wherever it's logical to do so.
Can't just split lines in Python? Splitting lines where it's logical
to do so i
On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 06:33:36PM -0800, Robert Cymbala wrote:
>
> Why Python?
> Cardinal Biggles had Eric, the infidel, in the comfy chair for over
> four hours before wringing this confession from him...
> by Eric S. Raymond
>
> http://www2.linuxjournal.com/cgi-bin/frames.pl/lj-issues/issue
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 02:45:26PM +0200, Carel Fellinger wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 12:21:46AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
>
> I know people don't like it, that's okee with me, but I don't see how this
> tie's your hands.
Oh, I didn't say this one tied your hands, except for the f
Why Python?
Cardinal Biggles had Eric, the infidel, in the comfy chair for over
four hours before wringing this confession from him...
by Eric S. Raymond
http://www2.linuxjournal.com/cgi-bin/frames.pl/lj-issues/issue73/3882.html
Ilya Martynov wrote:
>
> JR> All you have to understand about forth, is that no word means what you
> JR> think it means, because someone (or some process) redefined it when you
> JR> weren't looking :)
> JR> On the other hand, it means that you can write a program under just
> JR> about any lang
On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 04:28:37PM +0400, Ilya Martynov wrote:
> JR> All you have to understand about forth, is that no word means what you
> JR> think it means, because someone (or some process) redefined it when you
> JR> weren't looking :)
> JR> On the other hand, it means that you can write a
JR> All you have to understand about forth, is that no word means what you
JR> think it means, because someone (or some process) redefined it when you
JR> weren't looking :)
JR> On the other hand, it means that you can write a program under just
JR> about any language that will run in a forth envi
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:06:25PM +, Gudmundur Erlingsson wrote:
| > But remember, to be a truely self-absorbed, prescious, self-ritcheous
| > unix god-wannabe, you can't go past LISP :)
| >
|
| Ok, It seems like the cool-factor of LISP is as high as you can get, but what
| are it's practica
> But remember, to be a truely self-absorbed, prescious, self-ritcheous
> unix god-wannabe, you can't go past LISP :)
>
Ok, It seems like the cool-factor of LISP is as high as you can get, but what
are it's practical merits? If one intends to hack Emacs, then LISP is of
course essential, but does
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 07:54:24AM -0500, Shawn Garbett wrote:
>
> Coding discipline will develop maintainable code in just about any
> language, including Forth (although it noted special merit on the
> writting unmaintainable code site).
>
> Shawn Garbett
All you have to understand about fo
Ooopsss!
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 10:23:20AM -0300, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
>
> Yes! I got a lot of answers! And I would like to all of you people for that.
>
again:
Yes! I got a lot of answers! And I like to thanks all of you people for
that.
Marcelo
--
Marcelo Chiapparini
DFT-IF/UERJ
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 08:32:34PM +1000, Damon Muller wrote:
> Hi Marcelo,
>
> Quoth Marcelo Chiapparini,
> > I know this is a stupid question, but I am very new to Linux and I know
> > nothing about script programming. What is the difference between perl and
> > pyton? Why the nedd to create
D-Man wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 01:43:37PM -0500, Shawn Garbett wrote:
| Maintenance issues aside, if you want an "empirical" study comparing
| perl to python, as well as C/C++ and Java, check the following link:
| http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/cgi-bin/psview?document=/ira/2000/5
| It's
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 12:21:46AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
...
> Thou shalt indent, so we'll make it a language feature and assume you
> won't do it yourself.
I know people don't like it, that's okee with me, but I don't see how this
tie's your hands.
> Thou shalt use lexical va
Hi Marcelo,
Quoth Marcelo Chiapparini,
> I know this is a stupid question, but I am very new to Linux and I know
> nothing about script programming. What is the difference between perl and
> pyton? Why the nedd to create these two diferent programming languages?
Well, you've already got lots o
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:17:50PM +0200, Carel Fellinger wrote:
>
> I don't think Python assumes the coder is a moron, nor does Eiffel,
> nor do you judging from your fine pigs-fly-just-fine quote .
> But I wonder what things you have in mind when you state that Python
> tie's your hands compared
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:36:40PM -0500, D-Man wrote:
>
> I agree, except for including Python in the school-marm category of
> languages. About the only thing you can't do in python (besides stomp
> over random sections of memory without first making a C extension to
> do it for you) is indent
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 02:37:18PM -0500, Michael Soulier wrote:
>
> In the long run, if you have a good group of coders, then languages that
> assume the coder is a moron (Python, Java, Eiffel...) do nothing but tie one's
> hands, IMHO. Hence the attraction of C, Perl, that let you do anythin
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 02:37:18PM -0500, Michael Soulier wrote:
| On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 06:32:29PM +0200, Alexis Roda wrote:
| >
| > > Python is very OO while perl follows the more procedural traditions of
| > > it's ancestors , sed awk sh and C.
| >
| > Perl allows one to write both procedura
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 01:43:37PM -0500, Shawn Garbett wrote:
| Maintenance issues aside, if you want an "empirical" study comparing
| perl to python, as well as C/C++ and Java, check the following link:
| http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/cgi-bin/psview?document=/ira/2000/5
| It's the only article
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:14:35PM +0400, Ilya Martynov wrote:
|
| D> | You can write obfuscated programs with any language, even with python.
| D> | The programmer should use the language (any language, not just perl or
| D> | python) resources judiciously to improve readability and
| D> | mainta
"Why I Promote Python"
http://www.prescod.net/python/why.html
by Paul Prescod, ISOGEN Consulting Engineer
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 06:32:29PM +0200, Alexis Roda wrote:
>
> > Python is very OO while perl follows the more procedural traditions of
> > it's ancestors , sed awk sh and C.
>
> Perl allows one to write both procedural and OO programs. Perl OO model
> is very simple, flexible and powerful.
Maintenance issues aside, if you want an "empirical" study comparing perl to
python, as well as C/C++ and Java, check the following link:
http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/cgi-bin/psview?document=/ira/2000/5
It's the only article I've seen like it.
If you're serious about making unmaintainable co
D> | You can write obfuscated programs with any language, even with python.
D> | The programmer should use the language (any language, not just perl or
D> | python) resources judiciously to improve readability and
D> | maintainability.
D> This is true, though I've found obfuscated python to be ra
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 06:32:29PM +0200, Alexis Roda wrote:
| D-Man wrote:
| >
| > Perl uses lots of operators and allows one to write code that is
| > _very_ compact, to the point of unreadability and unmaintainability
| > (IMO).
|
| You can write obfuscated programs with any language, even with
when there is a spark one might get
-Original Message-
From: Alexis Roda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 29 maart 2001 18:32
To: debian
Subject: Re: pyton & perl
D-Man wrote:
>
> Perl uses lots of operators and allows one to write code that is
> _very_ co
D-Man wrote:
>
> Perl uses lots of operators and allows one to write code that is
> _very_ compact, to the point of unreadability and unmaintainability
> (IMO).
You can write obfuscated programs with any language, even with python.
The programmer should use the language (any language, not just per
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:16:36AM -0300, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
| Hi,
| I know this is a stupid question, but I am very new to Linux and I know
| nothing about script programming. What is the difference between perl and
| pyton? Why the nedd to create these two diferent programming languages
On Thursday 29 March 2001 07:46, Ilya Martynov wrote:
> P.P.S. And nether trust someone who just says that one of this
> languages sucks.
Sound wisdom, Jeremiah.
--
Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.sirinet.net/~budr
All things in moderation. And not too much moderation either.
On Thursday 29 March 2001 07:16, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> I know this is a stupid question, but I am very new to Linux and I
> know nothing about script programming. What is the difference between
> perl and pyton? Why the nedd to create these two diferent programming
> languages?
Oh boy, you
MC> Hi,
MC> I know this is a stupid question, but I am very new to Linux and I know
MC> nothing about script programming. What is the difference between perl and
MC> pyton? Why the nedd to create these two diferent programming languages?
Perl is more ancient language then Python. It was created
Hi,
I know this is a stupid question, but I am very new to Linux and I know
nothing about script programming. What is the difference between perl and
pyton? Why the nedd to create these two diferent programming languages?
Thanks in advance
Marcelo
--
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DFT-IF/UERJ
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