Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/15/22 11:45 AM, Maude Summerside wrote: > > On 2022-09-14 23:23, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/14/2022 11:01 PM, Maude Summerside wrote: > >> > >> On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > >>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > I'll be brutally honest:

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Dan Ritter
Maude Summerside wrote: > > > On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" > >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers > >> to spen

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 23:23, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/14/2022 11:01 PM, Maude Summerside wrote: >> >> On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" unwilligness

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Jude DaShiell
Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Wed, 14 Sep 2022, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Stefan wrote: > In article you > write: > >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" ob

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 11:01 PM, Maude Summerside wrote: > > On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" > >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volun

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers >> to spend their time on issues. > > Especiall

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/22 6:16 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Stefan wrote: > In article you > write: > >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, > >> possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to > >> apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > > > >I think t

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers to spend their time on issues. Especially when it's an ongoing pattern of discourse.

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 17:06, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 14.09.22 um 18:39 schrieb Maude Summerside: >> This is where intellectual shortcut starts... >> Free/OSS doesn't mean GPL. >> There's plenty of Free/OSS software that the copyright owner retains >> right to commercial licensing. Just look at librar

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
Stefan wrote: In article you write: >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, >> possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to >> apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > >I think there's a confusion here: these volunteers will also have >"

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 14.09.22 um 18:39 schrieb Maude Summerside: This is where intellectual shortcut starts... Free/OSS doesn't mean GPL. There's plenty of Free/OSS software that the copyright owner retains right to commercial licensing. Just look at libraries, some of them will be in such a licensing term that if

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 08:31, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> For example, most web >>> browsers are based on chromium, a free oss project that comes in large part >>> from >>> Google, but some of the most-used browsers in the world based on chromium >>> are proprietary, such as chrome and edge. >> I am no

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
People of debian-user :) This thread does seem to be degenerating slightly into accusations and name-calling, justified or not. Without prejudice to anyone: please may I remind you that debian-user and all Debian lists and IRC channels are subject to the Debian Code of Conduct. It would be very m

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 9:06 AM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2022-09-14 at 08:51, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > > On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >> > >> [...] > >> > >>> Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it b

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 7:11 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > > > > I am fairly sure I was a victim of > > the breach of Yahoo that affected hundreds of millions of its users. > I am sorry for you. I do not know this case, so I cannot tell whether > OSS or CSS c

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-14 at 08:51, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is >>> Linus Torvalds [...] >> >> I don't k

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > [...] > > > Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is > > Linus Torvalds [...] > > I don't know what your aim is. > > I have the impression that it's j

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 7:08 AM, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > > > Please STOP! > > > > > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not > > > like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your > > > translations than by

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 7:11 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > On 9/13/2022 4:14 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > > I think Megha is emphasizing, and possibly over-emphasizing, the fact > > that the persons > > who actually commit the code in free software projects can

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 6:47 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > If free/oss projects like Debian want to provide software with those > > positive characteristics to their users, those projects must have in > > place some level of oversight over what the persons who actually write > > the software actually do, or d

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:38 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > The users. They stop using software or any product that does not work > > well or is more trouble than it is worth. Then the entity, whether > > a free/oss or proprietary provider ends up shutting down > > the enterprise. > > But, being Free Software,

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread debian-user
> On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > > Please STOP! > > > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not > > like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your > > translations than by writing to this mailing-list I agree with the sentiments of annoy

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is > Linus Torvalds [...] I don't know what your aim is. I have the impression that it's just arguing for arguing's sake [1]. My time is too short to t

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: On 9/13/2022 4:14 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: I think Megha is emphasizing, and possibly over-emphasizing, the fact that the persons who actually commit the code in free software projects can operate with little or no oversight when they are just vo

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Larry Martell
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 3:48 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > If free/oss projects like Debian want to provide software with those > > positive characteristics to their users, those projects must have in > > place some level of oversight over what the persons who actually write > > the software actu

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:31 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, > > possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to > > apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > > I think there's a confusion here: these volunteers will a

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:14 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 12.09.22 um 19:47 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > "Open Source Software is accessible to all means it can be used and > > misused. > > And, that’s where it turns unconstructive for us. With OSS, we can expect > > harm, > > virus transfer, identity bu

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 12.09.22 um 19:47 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: "Open Source Software is accessible to all means it can be used and misused. And, that’s where it turns unconstructive for us. With OSS, we can expect harm, virus transfer, identity burglary, and many other malicious practices to hurt the process

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > Please STOP! > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not like this. > you will better contribute with your code or with your translations than by > writing to this mailing-list The problem is, with all due respect, that I do h

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread err404
Please STOP! you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your translations than by writing to this mailing-list I want you kicked from this list.

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 2:33 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 02:14:38PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >So do you, obviously. Someone said something that raised that question in my > >mind, > >but you deleted that part from this message, which proves you are the one > >who has > >an ax

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 02:14:38PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: So do you, obviously. Someone said something that raised that question in my mind, but you deleted that part from this message, which proves you are the one who has an ax to grind by not answering the question that has been raise

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 2:02 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:42:12PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >Software projects today, IIUC, are communities. The "volunteers" should do > >what the community > >wants, not necessarily what you or I want. Do you think the free/oss > >software co

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:42:12PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: Software projects today, IIUC, are communities. The "volunteers" should do what the community wants, not necessarily what you or I want. Do you think the free/oss software community wants volunteers who ignore bugs or refuse to f

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Tim Woodall
On Tue, 13 Sep 2022, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: I agree with that. But the price-performance ratio could be even better if the "volunteers" in free/oss software projects were not free to ignore bugs reported to them. Pretty much everything worked for this grub bug other than some unfortunate se

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 12:36 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > [...] > > > I agree with that. But the price-performance ratio could be even better if > > the "volunteers" > > in free/oss software projects were not free to ignore bugs reported

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:25:40PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > I agree with that. But the price-performance ratio could be even better if > the "volunteers" > in free/oss software projects were not free to ignore bugs reported to them. Hm. I doubt that. Perhaps they will do more what

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 11:53 AM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > >> > >> > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with en

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 11:44 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > > > > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > SLAs for free" If the requirement that maintai

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > > > SLAs for free" > > If the require

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-13 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 12:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > > SLAs for free" If the requirement that maintainers and developers of free/oss software must actually fix the

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread tomas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > SLAs for free" Had I a printer, I'd print out this, frame it and hang it on the wall. This makes the point very nicely :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Descriptio

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/22 3:32 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >Well, I suppose so, but I am pleased that a grub maintainer is now on the > >case. Still, > >there is another Debian bug that affects me that continues to be ignored, so > >I admit > >I

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: Well, I suppose so, but I am pleased that a grub maintainer is now on the case. Still, there is another Debian bug that affects me that continues to be ignored, so I admit I have an attitude about that. I accept that what is of g

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-12 at 14:50, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 1:58 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2022-09-12 at 13:47, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> I wish to merely point out that what is often said about the >>> advantages and disadvantages of free, open-source software that >>> is maintained

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/2022 1:58 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2022-09-12 at 13:47, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > > On 9/12/2022 12:14 PM, David Wright wrote: > > > >> On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > >>> The grub maintainers do not have the time or interest to fix it. > >>> Perha

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread tomas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > [...] A disadvantage is that often the priorities of the developers who > release > free, open source software are not always the same as the priorities of any > particular > user [...] This might have been different bac

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-12 at 13:47, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 12:14 PM, David Wright wrote: > >> On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> The grub maintainers do not have the time or interest to fix it. >>> Perhaps the Xen users could try to convince the Xen maintaine

Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/2022 12:14 PM, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/12/2022 12:55 AM, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > I would imagine a fix could follow quite quickly as it only requires > > > rebuilding with a filename added to a list of files not

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 12:55 AM, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 01:15:47 (+0200), Tom Lew wrote: > > > This is my first post, bear with me.. > > > > > > Package "grub-xen-host"

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/2022 12:55 AM, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 01:15:47 (+0200), Tom Lew wrote: > > This is my first post, bear with me.. > > > > Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV > > domains on my Xen server, after &quo

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-11 Thread David Wright
On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 01:15:47 (+0200), Tom Lew wrote: > This is my first post, bear with me.. > > Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV > domains on my Xen server, after "apt upgrade" from 11.4. > > I found https://bugs.debian

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-11 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, Tom Lew wrote: This is my first post, bear with me.. Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV domains on my Xen server, after "apt upgrade" from 11.4. I found https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017944 e

Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-11 Thread Tom Lew
This is my first post, bear with me.. Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV domains on my Xen server, after "apt upgrade" from 11.4. I found https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017944 exactly mirroring my situation, and I won

[OFFTOPIC] Fun with pv and broken drive (was: `pv` rates)

2021-08-04 Thread Stefan Monnier
Stefan Monnier [2021-08-02 15:09:38] wrote: > E.g. the average has moved up to ~80kB/s since my last message). For your entertainment: I managed to bring the average rate up to about 1MB/s by running `lvs` in a loop at the same time (and that let me see occasionally a transfer rate around 10MB/s).

Re: `pv` rates

2021-08-04 Thread David Wright
the wall time, though I would say that having both I&e is less sensible than a&r when using the command for real. Perhaps I should have used -i myself … Cheers, David. $ pv -parIe <2021-01-20-inauguration-biden-harris-C-qYgs_yOXA.webm >/tmp/copy [86.8MiB/s] [86.8MiB

Re: `pv` rates

2021-08-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> If it weren't for the first sometimes changing to >> 44.xKiB/s it'd be hard to know which is which (IIUC the average is >> higher because occasionally the drive gives a more reasonable transfer >> rate than that measly 45kB/s). > > So now we're left wondering how you came by this situation. Perh

`pv` rates (was: burn iso to usb)

2021-08-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
gt;>> >> It's up to taste. >>> > >>> > Not at all. The only right answer is: >>> > >>> > pv -parIe /dev/sdX >>> >>> Actually I'm not sure how good it is to have both -a and -r, pv doesn't >>> rea

Re: `pv` rates (was: burn iso to usb)

2021-08-02 Thread David Wright
h/to/file.iso /dev/sdX > >>> >>> dd if=whatever.iso of=/dev/sdX > >>> >> It's up to taste. > >>> > > >>> > Not at all. The only right answer is: > >>> > > >>> > pv -parIe /dev/sdX > &

Re: Replace a failed block device with null PV in an LVM VG

2021-03-24 Thread Reco
such a way that read attempts from the missing PV will return zeros, > > > but the rest of the filesystem will work? > > > > Try this: > > > > vgchange --activationmode partial -ay > > lvs > > # immediately dump logical volume in question somewhere

Re: Replace a failed block device with null PV in an LVM VG

2021-03-24 Thread David Pottage
On 2021-03-24 12:37, Reco wrote: Hi. On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 10:26:49AM +, David Pottage wrote: Is there a way to assemble the VG and mount those ext4 filesystems in such a way that read attempts from the missing PV will return zeros, but the rest of the filesystem will work? Try this

Re: Replace a failed block device with null PV in an LVM VG

2021-03-24 Thread songbird
Dan Ritter wrote: ... > Next time: verify that you are backing up everything that you > need to backup. I know it's boring. it seems like it should be common sense for anyone worried about redundancy to the extent of having raid to also think about making sure there is more than one controller/d

Re: Replace a failed block device with null PV in an LVM VG

2021-03-24 Thread Dan Ritter
ut I can't mount the ext4 filesystems because the LVM cannot > assemble the VG because one of the physical volumes is missing. > > Is there a way to assemble the VG and mount those ext4 filesystems in such a > way that read attempts from the missing PV will return zeros, but the re

Re: Replace a failed block device with null PV in an LVM VG

2021-03-24 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 10:26:49AM +, David Pottage wrote: > Is there a way to assemble the VG and mount those ext4 filesystems in > such a way that read attempts from the missing PV will return zeros, > but the rest of the filesystem will work? Try this:

Replace a failed block device with null PV in an LVM VG

2021-03-24 Thread David Pottage
ssing. Is there a way to assemble the VG and mount those ext4 filesystems in such a way that read attempts from the missing PV will return zeros, but the rest of the filesystem will work? Perhaps by creating a virtual block device with the correct capacity and UUID, or by special LVM commands?

Re: How to relocate LVM pv to make room for grub install

2018-01-03 Thread Pascal Hambourg
. This is why I suggested alternatives. Overall, it went fairly well, and in particular, there were no boot issues or data corruption. The only issue is that the first partition on the boot drive was resized, but the PV it contains apparently was not, so now is larger than the partition. This is

Re: How to relocate LVM pv to make room for grub install

2018-01-03 Thread Tom Dial
en. > >> 5. run grub-install to install the new grub >> 6. reboot and finish the stretch upgrade. Overall, it went fairly well, and in particular, there were no boot issues or data corruption. The only issue is that the first partition on the boot drive was resized, but the PV it co

Re: How to relocate LVM pv to make room for grub install

2018-01-02 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 02/01/2018 à 00:56, Tom Dial a écrit : Which is the boot disk ? /dev/sda Then you didn't need to make room for GRUB on /dev/sdb. So maybe the right plan is This is one of the many possible plans. 0. make a grub-rescue CD just in case of need 1. restore the old (jessie) /boot/grub/*

Re: How to relocate LVM pv to make room for grub install

2018-01-01 Thread Tom Dial
;> /dev/sda3   244162560 366239743 122077184 58.2G 8e Linux LVM >> /dev/sda4   366239744 488397167 122157424 58.3G 8e Linux LVM > > Which is the boot disk ? /dev/sda > >> If I understand correctly, I should now be able to boot with a rescue >> disk or USB

Re: How to relocate LVM pv to make room for grub install

2018-01-01 Thread Pascal Hambourg
sdb2, sdb1, and sda1 similarly, leaving several megabytes free at the beginning of each disk. LVM tools cannot move partitions. pvmove does not move PV, it just moves LV data between PVs. You need Gparted to move partitions (and their contents). Of course you need to run Gparted from a system which

How to relocate LVM pv to make room for grub install

2017-12-31 Thread Tom Dial
s the system likely to boot successfully using the (hopefully unchanged) original grub installation, so that I could simply move the pv partitions, reboot normally, run grub-install, and then continue upgrading? 3. The problem occurred at the end of "apt upgrade." The necessary grub comman

System no longer boots (WAS:Re: How to remove a PV from an LVM VG?)

2012-05-07 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 5/7/12, Philippe Marzouk wrote: > On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 08:04:35PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: >> The old drive is /dev/sda and there are two PVs on the disk >> /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda4, both are in vg1 >> >> The new drive is /dev/sdc and it has only 1 LVM PV and th

Re: How to remove a PV from an LVM VG?

2012-05-07 Thread Philippe Marzouk
two PVs on the disk > /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda4, both are in vg1 > > The new drive is /dev/sdc and it has only 1 LVM PV and that is /dev/sdc4 > [...] > > Is this the correct method to preserve my data: > > pvmove /dev/sda3 /dev/sdc4 > > wait for it to finish >

How to remove a PV from an LVM VG?

2012-05-06 Thread Marc Shapiro
hat I don't lose my data. The old drive is /dev/sda and there are two PVs on the disk /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda4, both are in vg1 The new drive is /dev/sdc and it has only 1 LVM PV and that is /dev/sdc4 $ sudo pvdisplay --- Physical volume --- PV Name /dev/sda3

Re: creating a pv guest Ubuntu on a Ubuntu desktop is failing on pv-ops Dom0 kernel

2011-03-02 Thread Jonathan Matthews
Tapas - As someone else already pointed out, this isn't an ubuntu mailing list. You probably want to retry your request here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users. Jonathan -- Jonathan Matthews London, UK http://www.jpluscplusm.com/contact.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to de

Re: creating a pv guest Ubuntu on a Ubuntu desktop is failing on pv-ops Dom0 kernel

2011-03-02 Thread Slicky Johnson
This is not Ubuntu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110302110728.01f92a53@t61.debian-linux

creating a pv guest Ubuntu on a Ubuntu desktop is failing on pv-ops Dom0 kernel

2011-03-01 Thread Tapas Mishra
Hi, I just installed a pv-ops Dom0 2.6.32.27 Kernel on a 64 bit non VT machine. Following instructions here http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/Xen4.0 for 64 bit Ubuntu 10.04 apt-get install bcc bin86 gawk bridge-utils iproute libcurl3 libcurl4-openssl-dev bzip2 module-init-tools transfig tgif

Re: pv

2009-10-23 Thread Tilo Schwarz
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:33:25 +0200, Tilo Schwarz wrote: [...] Oops, very sorry, I hit the wrong button sitting in front of the computer when I should have been in bed instead ... Tilo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trou

Re: pv

2009-10-21 Thread Dirk Neumann
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:33:25 +0200 "Tilo Schwarz" wrote: > alle konstanten Felddeklarationen gegen die aktuell angegebenen Parameter > prüfen und ggf. meckern. -v Dirk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas

RE: pv

2009-10-21 Thread Kevin Ross
> From: Tilo Schwarz [mailto:t...@tilo-schwarz.de] > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:33 AM > > alle konstanten Felddeklarationen gegen die aktuell angegebenen > Parameter > prüfen und ggf. meckern. > > > -- > Viele Grüße, > > Tilo This is the English language list. The German list i

pv

2009-10-21 Thread Tilo Schwarz
alle konstanten Felddeklarationen gegen die aktuell angegebenen Parameter prüfen und ggf. meckern. -- Viele Grüße, Tilo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

can't find pv, vg, lv

2007-04-27 Thread Sigmund Scheinbar
Hello there! This week I installed Debian etch in a seprate partion of a harddisk. Until now this box is/was running an old SUSE version (kernel 2.4.21; lvm 2.00.07 [1]). The installation worked fine, however etch was not able to detect the existings LV's. I tried to run lvmdiskscan, pvscan, vgsc

Re: [LVM] Segment with extent 19632 in PV /dev/hda2 not found

2006-06-07 Thread Larry Beckley
r 7 left open > Incorrect metadata area header checksum > Segment with extent 19632 in PV /dev/hda2 not found > Couldn't read all logical volumes for volume group computer100. > Restore failed. > > > What does it mean? What can I do? > > > > Best regards! R

[LVM] Segment with extent 19632 in PV /dev/hda2 not found

2006-06-07 Thread Ralph Bergmann
19632 in PV /dev/hda2 not found Couldn't read all logical volumes for volume group computer100. Restore failed. What does it mean? What can I do? Best regards! Ralph -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: LVM PV in regular file, can i access it?

2005-09-18 Thread icmp
when i made dd if=/dev/md1 of=md1.img it completed with an hour (120GB). now 'dd if=md1.img of=/dev/md1' is still running after 2 hours On 9/19/05, icmp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi. I have raid-1 (mirror) which contains LVM . After my system crashed I made dd if=/dev/md1 of=md1.img since

Re: LVM PV in regular file, can i access it?

2005-09-18 Thread icmp
o and raid itself is running  (degraded and with 1 disk only but running). just filesystem on /dev/md1 is messed up. On 9/19/05, icmp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi. I have raid-1 (mirror) which contains LVM . After my system crashed I made dd if=/dev/md1 of=md1.img since my /dev/md1 is damaged

LVM PV in regular file, can i access it?

2005-09-18 Thread icmp
Hi. I have raid-1 (mirror) which contains LVM . After my system crashed I made dd if=/dev/md1 of=md1.img since my /dev/md1 is damaged for now, only backup i have is in that file. is there possible to mount lvm volumes from that file directly, without haveing to write it to physical disk? and i

CASIO PV-450X

2000-09-07 Thread kiko
Hallo we are looking for the MAc soft for CASIO PV-450X, can you help us? -- Saluti Kiko Berta :-) K-SOUND ai Campisc 5b 6528 Camorino - Switzerland ph ++41 (0)91 857 6505 fax ++41 (0)91 857 6590 mob ++41 (0)79 686 1002 http://www.k-sound.ch

PV Wave 7.0

1999-12-15 Thread Daniel Faller
Hi ! Has anyone managed to get PV-Wave 7.0 working with slink or potato ? After several problems during installation, I now get a segmentation violation when starting wave. Thanks in advance. Daniel -- Daniel Faller Fakultaet fur Physik Abt. Honerkamp Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet

Casio PV 450x

1999-12-02 Thread Peter Berlau
Hi, I became a casio pv 450 X handhelp (palmtop ?) organizer with a bulk of software for "wintendo", bit I use Linux is there any program which can correspondate with the casio ? If not, it there a standard-library for serial communication under Linux( I wrote my own in 1992 in c++ as