Re: Lost password need help!

2024-11-22 Thread Max Nikulin
ut is instead a LUKS passphrase, then a very different piece of advice applies: DO NOT REBOOT THE SYSTEM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. I have realized that every Debian manual has a note on resetting root password, but the topic is more extensive. E.g. there may be grub password besides LUKS. init=/b

Re: Lost password need help!

2024-11-22 Thread Michael Paoli
On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 9:27 AM The David wrote: > We have been using the debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae for our company. We are moving > to another state and we forgot the password. Is there anyway to recover this > without losing data? Thank you. Yikes! That kernel goes back to Debian 7 -

Re: ot: firefox password manager

2024-11-22 Thread Bret Busby
On 23/11/24 02:16, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: i'm using the latest release of firefox, 132.0.2 it's very annoying i use the password manager and have a password previously firefox would ask for my password when i start it now it ask for my password every time i encounter a site lo

Re: Lost password need help!

2024-11-22 Thread Dan Ritter
e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/22/24 11:56, The David wrote: > > We have been using the debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae for our company. We are > > moving to another state and we forgot the password. Is there anyway to > > recover this without losing data? Thank you. > > Boot

Re: Lost password need help!

2024-11-22 Thread Andy Smith
lso inadvisable. The next stable release of Debian (coming next year) will not have 32-bit kernel or installer so you're going to need to switch in the near future anyway to keep up to date. > We are moving to another state and we forgot the password. Is there > anyway to recover this without lo

Re: Lost password need help!

2024-11-22 Thread Frank Guthausen
On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 16:56:23 + The David wrote: > We have been using the debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae for our company. We are > moving to another state and we forgot the password. Is there anyway > to recover this without losing data? Thank you. You can boot the machine with a live syst

ot: firefox password manager

2024-11-22 Thread fxkl47BF
i'm using the latest release of firefox, 132.0.2 it's very annoying i use the password manager and have a password previously firefox would ask for my password when i start it now it ask for my password every time i encounter a site login screen is there a way stop this without di

Re: Lost password need help!

2024-11-22 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 22 Nov 2024 12:40 -0500, from e...@gmx.us: >> We have been using the debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae for our company. We >> are moving to another state and we forgot the password. Is there >> anyway to recover this without losing data? Thank you. > > Boot off rescue m

Re: Lost password need help!

2024-11-22 Thread tomas
On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 04:56:23PM +, The David wrote: > We have been using the debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae for our company. We are moving > to another state and we forgot the password. Is there anyway to recover this > without losing data? Thank you. Which password? If it is some

Re: Lost password need help!

2024-11-22 Thread eben
On 11/22/24 11:56, The David wrote: > We have been using the debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae for our company. We are moving > to another state and we forgot the password. Is there anyway to recover this > without losing data? Thank you. Boot off rescue media, mount the victim's / parti

Lost password need help!

2024-11-22 Thread The David
We have been using the debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae for our company. We are moving to another state and we forgot the password. Is there anyway to recover this without losing data? Thank you. Sincerely, David Have a good day!

Re: If one sets 'Defaults rootpw' in sudoers but no root password is it disaster?

2024-10-16 Thread Chris Green
Chris Green wrote: > Dan Ritter wrote: > > Chris Green wrote: > > > I'd like to force a different password from my own password when I do > > > 'sudo -i' to get root privilege. However I'm a bit frightened about > > > what might h

Re: If one sets 'Defaults rootpw' in sudoers but no root password is it disaster?

2024-10-16 Thread Chris Green
Dan Ritter wrote: > Chris Green wrote: > > I'd like to force a different password from my own password when I do > > 'sudo -i' to get root privilege. However I'm a bit frightened about > > what might happen if I set 'Defaults rootpw' in the su

Re: If one sets 'Defaults rootpw' in sudoers but no root password is it disaster?

2024-10-15 Thread Dan Ritter
Chris Green wrote: > I'd like to force a different password from my own password when I do > 'sudo -i' to get root privilege. However I'm a bit frightened about > what might happen if I set 'Defaults rootpw' in the sudoers file but > forget to actually c

Re: If one sets 'Defaults rootpw' in sudoers but no root password is it disaster?

2024-10-15 Thread Roland Müller
I am to tired to test this now - but I guess as prerequisite you should then give the root user a password.  A long time ago I was "providing" root with a password in some Debian or Ubuntu system using 'passwd'. sudo should not cope with an undefined root password, a

If one sets 'Defaults rootpw' in sudoers but no root password is it disaster?

2024-10-15 Thread Chris Green
I'd like to force a different password from my own password when I do 'sudo -i' to get root privilege. However I'm a bit frightened about what might happen if I set 'Defaults rootpw' in the sudoers file but forget to actually create a root password. (This is on sy

Re: password manager

2024-10-10 Thread Eric S Fraga
Response below/inline for email Paul M. Foster wrote: > (original email sent 8 Oct 2024 at 20:50) > > Let me provide a dissenting view. I use "pass". +1 it allows for a hierarchical representation of the different entries and bonus marks because there is an excellent Emacs mode. -- Eric S Frag

Re: password manager

2024-10-10 Thread Ryan Nowakowski
On October 8, 2024 7:50:29 PM CDT, "Paul M. Foster" wrote: >On 10/8/24 19:11, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: >> what are y'alls recommendations for a password manager >> i've always used firefox's builtin manager >> but it's gotten to whe

Re: password manager

2024-10-09 Thread Max Nikulin
On 09/10/2024 06:11, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: what are y'alls recommendations for a password manager Have you had a look into mailing list archives? E.g. <https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20231109110553.10261...@yosemite.mars.lan> Password managers. Thu, 9 Nov 2023 11:05:53 -0500

Re: password manager

2024-10-09 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Oct 09, 2024 at 17:39:53 -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote: > Wow. Thanks for explaining that. Fortunately, I only have Debian and plan > to change things as little as possible in the future, so I think that if I > leave things as they are, they'll keep working for a while. I do have > ~/.xsessio

Re: password manager

2024-10-09 Thread eben
On 10/9/24 17:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2024 at 15:55:35 -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote: That worked. Maybe ~/.xinitrc is an old location? I'll probably leave it there unless there's a good reason to move it. [algorithm from heck] If reading this leads you to scream "WHY in the HE

Re: password manager

2024-10-09 Thread Florent Rougon
Hi, Le 09/10/2024, Greg Wooledge a écrit: > If reading this leads you to scream "WHY in the HELL is it this > COMPLICATED?!", know that you are not alone. Unfortunately, this is > only a small part of the picture. The full picture is even worse. Yup, I'm pretty sure there was also ~/.dmrc at

Re: password manager

2024-10-09 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Oct 09, 2024 at 15:55:35 -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote: > That worked. Maybe ~/.xinitrc is an old location? I'll probably leave it > there unless there's a good reason to move it. .xinitrc is the dotfile used by startx across multiple Unix/Linux implementations. Debian's startx will use that

Re: password manager

2024-10-09 Thread eben
On 10/9/24 10:05, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 10/8/24 22:11, Ash Joubert wrote: To set environment variables for applications started by XFCE, add lines before the last line in ~/.config/xfce4/xinitrc That file doesn't exist, but this one might work: eben@cerberus:~$ stat ~/.xinitrc ... I put

Re: password manager

2024-10-09 Thread emneo
://bitwarden.com/ [2] https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden On 09/10/2024 01:11, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: what are y'alls recommendations for a password manager i've always used firefox's builtin manager but it's gotten to where it only works about half the time it

Re: password manager

2024-10-09 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
KeepPass here as well, and (not my choice) a proprietary locker at work. Can't help responding to someone with a Life glider in their sig :-) On Tue, Oct 8, 2024, 9:30 PM Dan Purgert wrote: > On Oct 08, 2024, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > > what are y'alls recommendat

Re: password manager

2024-10-09 Thread eben
On 10/8/24 22:11, Ash Joubert wrote: On 2024-10-09 13:38, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 10/8/24 20:13, Ash Joubert wrote: On 2024-10-09 13:00, e...@gmx.us wrote: I use (and like) keepassx.  The only thing I don't like is right now the type is really small.  It used to be readable. keepassxc is a Qt5

Re: qt5ct and environment variables (was: Re: password manager)

2024-10-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Oct 09, 2024 at 09:52:13 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 09/10/2024 07:38, e...@gmx.us wrote: > > > > Huh.  If I run it from a terminal emulator it looks fine, but if XFCE > > launches it the text is tiny.  Looks like QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME isn't being > > set.  Which means something is runni

qt5ct and environment variables (was: Re: password manager)

2024-10-08 Thread Max Nikulin
On 09/10/2024 07:38, e...@gmx.us wrote: Huh.  If I run it from a terminal emulator it looks fine, but if XFCE launches it the text is tiny.  Looks like QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME isn't being set.  Which means something is running a not-login shell, something between startx and xfwm.  It's defined in ~

Re: password manager

2024-10-08 Thread Ash Joubert
On 2024-10-09 13:38, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 10/8/24 20:13, Ash Joubert wrote: On 2024-10-09 13:00, e...@gmx.us wrote: I use (and like) keepassx.  The only thing I don't like is right now the type is really small.  It used to be readable. keepassxc is a Qt5 application and honours Qt font settin

Re: password manager

2024-10-08 Thread Paul M. Foster
On 10/8/24 19:11, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: what are y'alls recommendations for a password manager i've always used firefox's builtin manager but it's gotten to where it only works about half the time it's a pita looking up and typing long cryptic passwords and i&

Re: password manager

2024-10-08 Thread eben
On 10/8/24 20:13, Ash Joubert wrote: On 2024-10-09 13:00, e...@gmx.us wrote: I use (and like) keepassx. The only thing I don't like is right now the type is really small. It used to be readable. keepassxc is a Qt5 application and honours Qt font settings. Under XFCE, I use qt5ct and set the

Re: password manager

2024-10-08 Thread Peter Hillier-Brook
On 09/10/2024 00:11, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: what are y'alls recommendations for a password manager i've always used firefox's builtin manager but it's gotten to where it only works about half the time it's a pita looking up and typing long cryptic passwords and

Re: password manager

2024-10-08 Thread Ash Joubert
On 2024-10-09 13:00, e...@gmx.us wrote: I use (and like) keepassx.  The only thing I don't like is right now the type is really small.  It used to be readable. keepassxc is a Qt5 application and honours Qt font settings. Under XFCE, I use qt5ct and set the environment variable QT_QPA_PLATFORMT

Re: password manager

2024-10-08 Thread Ash Joubert
On 2024-10-09 12:11, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: what are y'alls recommendations for a password manager i've always used firefox's builtin manager but it's gotten to where it only works about half the time it's a pita looking up and typing long cryptic passwords

Re: password manager

2024-10-08 Thread eben
On 10/8/24 19:11, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: what are y'alls recommendations for a password manager i've always used firefox's builtin manager but it's gotten to where it only works about half the time it's a pita looking up and typing long cryptic passwords and i

Re: password manager

2024-10-08 Thread KISER JD
On Wed, Oct 9, 2024, at 00:11, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > what are y'alls recommendations for a password manager > i've always used firefox's builtin manager > but it's gotten to where it only works about half the time > it's a pita looking up and typing

Re: password manager

2024-10-08 Thread Dan Purgert
On Oct 08, 2024, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > what are y'alls recommendations for a password manager keepassxc here. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860 signature.asc Description: PGP signature

password manager

2024-10-08 Thread fxkl47BF
what are y'alls recommendations for a password manager i've always used firefox's builtin manager but it's gotten to where it only works about half the time it's a pita looking up and typing long cryptic passwords and i'm lazy

Re: Alpine 6.26 - can't stop it wanting to save the password.

2024-05-28 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 27 May 2024, Curt wrote: On 2024-05-26, Tim Woodall wrote: Anyone got any ideas how to disable this? If you have ~/.alpine.passfile apparently it will keep asking, but maybe you don't, in which case I'm stumped. Thanks, no that file doesn't exist. I'm a bit stumped too - and ano

Re: Alpine 6.26 - can't stop it wanting to save the password.

2024-05-27 Thread Curt
On 2024-05-26, Tim Woodall wrote: > > Anyone got any ideas how to disable this? > > If you have ~/.alpine.passfile apparently it will keep asking, but maybe you don't, in which case I'm stumped.

Alpine 6.26 - can't stop it wanting to save the password.

2024-05-26 Thread Tim Woodall
I start alpine with the following alias alias pine='alpine -p \{imap202.home.woodall.me.uk/norsh/tls/user=tim\}remote_pinerc' and after entering my password I get: Preserve password on DISK for next login? [y]: I don't want to do this. My googling suggested that I coul

Create a password for Careline Support

2024-05-23 Thread TNG eWallet Careline
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Re: Debian, Postfix, Dovecot, MySQL, and argon2 password hashing scheme?

2024-04-24 Thread Marco Moock
Am 25.04.2024 schrieb David Mehler : > Since changing systems to Debian 12.5 I can't send, though checking > the password with a manual login to Dovecot works fine. Sending mails is SMTP and therefore postfix on your machine. It can use PAM for auth. Do you use PAM?

Debian, Postfix, Dovecot, MySQL, and argon2 password hashing scheme?

2024-04-24 Thread David Mehler
Hello, I have a quick question. Can Debian, and/or it's Postfix/Dovecot/MySQL/MariaDB packages support the argon2 password hashing scheme? I had a previously-working e-mail setup on a *BSD system, utilizing the argon2ID scheme with Dovecot, Postfix, and MySQL. Since changing syste

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-23 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 22 Mar 2024 20:01 -0400, from ler...@gmail.com (Lee): > The IPv4 address space is only 32 bits long. Scanning 2^32 = about > 4,000,000,000 addresses for an open port is easily doable. > The IPv6 address space is a bit harder... Let's just say that 7/8th > of the IPv6 address space is reserved[

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-23 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 22 Mar 2024 17:26 +0500, from avbe...@gmail.com (Alexander V. Makartsev): >     This is because of how IPv4 network address translation (NAT) works, to > allow multiple LAN hosts to connect to Internet with single IP address > assigned by Internet Service Provider (ISP). A NAT router might also

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-22 Thread Lee
On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 9:02 AM Jan Krapivin wrote: > > The thing that bothers me are words: "any computer (and a fortiori any > server) connected to the Internet is regularly targeted by automated > connection attempts" Change it to "any computer (and a fortiori any server) >>using IPv4 and di

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-22 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 22.03.2024 14:57, Jan Krapivin wrote: чт, 21 мар. 2024 г. в 22:34, Alexander V. Makartsev : This conclusion seems less than optimal to me. By condemning yourself to type 12+ character password every time you 'sudo' would really hurt accessibility and usability of you

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-22 Thread Joe
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 12:57:20 +0300 Jan Krapivin wrote: > чт, 21 мар. 2024 г. в 22:34, Alexander V. Makartsev > : > > > This conclusion seems less than optimal to me. > > By condemning yourself to type 12+ character password every time you > > 'sudo' would re

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-22 Thread Jan Krapivin
чт, 21 мар. 2024 г. в 22:34, Alexander V. Makartsev : > This conclusion seems less than optimal to me. > By condemning yourself to type 12+ character password every time you > 'sudo' would really hurt accessibility and usability of your home computer > and for no good r

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-21 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 20.03.2024 20:28, Jan Krapivin wrote: I must mention that "32 characters" is only my guess. In the Handbook it is said: "The root user's password should be long (12 characters or more) and impossible to guess." Also, i must again say that in my case we speak

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-21 Thread Curt
> > You don't need a threat model to understand why writing a password on a > paper is generally a bad practice. > > But since you invest this much energy on defending a bad practice, I'll > let you keep the trend alone. > I have written down key passwords which

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Lee
On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 3:50 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > De : Lee > À : Pierre-Elliott Bécue > Cc : Debian Users ML > Date : 20 mars 2024 20:40:52 > Objet : Re: Root password strength > > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 1:47 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > >

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 2:34 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > Jeffrey Walton wrote on 20/03/2024 at 19:16:16+0100: > > [...] > >> Noone asks someone to remember more than two or three passwords. The > >> rest belongs to a password manager. > > > >

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
De : Lee À : Pierre-Elliott Bécue Cc : Debian Users ML Date : 20 mars 2024 20:40:52 Objet : Re: Root password strength > On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 1:47 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: >> >> Brad Rogers wrote on 20/03/2024 at 18:39:30+0100: >>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 1

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Lee
On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 1:47 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > Brad Rogers wrote on 20/03/2024 at 18:39:30+0100: > > On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 17:09:31 +0100 > > Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > > > Hello Pierre-Elliott, > > > >>Most of the tim

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
John Hasler wrote on 20/03/2024 at 19:35:42+0100: > Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: >> My home sees plenty different people coming in. Some I trust, some I >> trust less. Also videocalls is a nice way to get a paper password >> recorded (and yes it happens). > > I keep m

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread John Hasler
tomas writes: > Actually, I use between pwgen -n 8 (user pw) and pwgen -n 16 (LUKS > encryption). -n is the default for pwgen. Note that this slightly reduces the size of the search space. Unfortunately many sites require it. > I memorize the most important of them. I memorize the ones I use m

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
a rather bad cybersecurity approach. > > I use password generators and vaults for all my passwords. Nothing > wrong with my cyber-security. When you state that something like "writing down" a password is reasonable in one's home as if this actual home were a heaven of safety,

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread John Hasler
Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: > My home sees plenty different people coming in. Some I trust, some I > trust less. Also videocalls is a nice way to get a paper password > recorded (and yes it happens). I keep my passwords in a small book the size of a passport and I secure it the same way

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
03/2024 at 16:58:01+0100: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: >> >> >> >> A phrase you will easily remember but that would be hardcore to >> >> >> >> guess >> >> >> >> t

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 18:46:04 +0100 Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: Hello Pierre-Elliott, >You have a rather bad cybersecurity approach. I use password generators and vaults for all my passwords. Nothing wrong with my cyber-security. Also note that I put 'written down' in single qu

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote on 20/03/2024 at 19:04:10+0100: > On 20 Mar 2024 18:46 +0100, from p...@debian.org (Pierre-Elliott Bécue): >>>> Most of the time, writing down a password is a very bad idea. >>> >>> Not in your own home.

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
writes: > >> >> >> A phrase you will easily remember but that would be hardcore to guess > >> >> >> through social engineering is perfect. > >> >> > > >> >> > Better is a random string that you write down. When people try

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 20 Mar 2024 17:07 +0100, from p...@debian.org (Pierre-Elliott Bécue): > Let's stop to overcomplexify, the best course of action for passwords > you need to remember are passphrases, and to this matter, Randall nailed > the matter properly. If you're referring to https://xkcd.com/936/ I believe

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 20 Mar 2024 18:46 +0100, from p...@debian.org (Pierre-Elliott Bécue): >>> Most of the time, writing down a password is a very bad idea. >> >> Not in your own home. And in any event, it depends where one keeps that >> 'written down' password. >>

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 11:02:41AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Use one of the password generating programs such as pwgen to produce a > 12 character random password. Write it down. Actually, I use between pwgen -n 8 (user pw) and pwgen -n 16 (LUKS encryption). I memorize the most import

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Brad Rogers wrote on 20/03/2024 at 18:39:30+0100: > On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 17:09:31 +0100 > Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > Hello Pierre-Elliott, > >>Most of the time, writing down a password is a very bad idea. > > Not in your own home. And in any event, it depends wher

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
eering is perfect. >> >> > >> >> > Better is a random string that you write down. When people try to >> >> > generate phrases that meet those requirements they usually fail. >> >> >> >> Writing down a password is a ba

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 17:09:31 +0100 Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: Hello Pierre-Elliott, >Most of the time, writing down a password is a very bad idea. Not in your own home. And in any event, it depends where one keeps that 'written down' password. And if it *does* become an

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
hen people try to > >> > generate phrases that meet those requirements they usually fail. > >> > >> Writing down a password is a bad idea. > > > > I don't think that's true anymore. The threat being mitigated is the > > network attacker.

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
John Hasler wrote on 20/03/2024 at 17:21:20+0100: > Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: >> Writing down a password is a bad idea. > > Why? Because anyone falling on the paper with the password can do a lot of harm. Because you can't control what this paper will become with certaint

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
member but that would be hardcore to guess >> >> through social engineering is perfect. >> > >> > Better is a random string that you write down. When people try to >> > generate phrases that meet those requirements they usually fail. >> >> Writing down a pas

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Max Nikulin
On 20/03/2024 23:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote: The network attacker cannot (yet) reach through a monitor and read a sticky note. It may be visible during a video call performed from a smartphone.

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread John Hasler
Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: > Writing down a password is a bad idea. Why? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
rfect. > > > > Better is a random string that you write down. When people try to > > generate phrases that meet those requirements they usually fail. > > Writing down a password is a bad idea. I don't think that's true anymore. The threat being mitigated is the

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
John Hasler wrote on 20/03/2024 at 17:02:41+0100: > Use one of the password generating programs such as pwgen to produce a > 12 character random password. Write it down. Most of the time, writing down a password is a very bad idea. -- PEB signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
nerate phrases that meet those requirements they usually fail. Writing down a password is a bad idea. Managing passwords through a password-store (eg pass, keepassxc, whatever tool you prever) is a great idea, but you first need to unlock your disk that hopefully you encrypted and then your sessio

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread John Hasler
Use one of the password generating programs such as pwgen to produce a 12 character random password. Write it down. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 20 Mar 2024 10:58 -0500, from j...@sugarbit.com (John Hasler): >> A phrase you will easily remember but that would be hardcore to guess >> through social engineering is perfect. > > Better is a random string that you write down. When people try to > generate phrases that meet those requirement

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread John Hasler
Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: > A phrase you will easily remember but that would be hardcore to guess > through social engineering is perfect. Better is a random string that you write down. When people try to generate phrases that meet those requirements they usually fail. -- John Hasler j...@su

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
take about 3.6*10^38 > _years_ to go through. A widely agreed-upon figure for the age of the > universe is around 1.4*10^10 years. Therefore such a password would > take, very roughly, 10^28 times the age of the universe to brute > force. > > Of course, with only 32 characters actua

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Jan Krapivin
I must mention that "32 characters" is only my guess. In the Handbook it is said: "The root user's password should be long (12 characters or more) and impossible to guess." Also, i must again say that in my case we speak just about a humble home desktop, without a &q

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
ters), 32 characters is equivalent to about 203 bits. (82^32 ~ 2^203 or, expressed differently, log_2(82^32) ~ 203.) At a rate of 2^50 guesses per second, that will take about 3.6*10^38 _years_ to go through. A widely agreed-upon figure for the age of the universe is around 1.4*10^10 years. Therefor

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Jan Krapivin wrote on 19/03/2024 at 15:42:55+0100: > I read Debian Administrator's handbook now. And there are such words: > > The root user's password should be long (12 characters or more) and > impossible to guess. Indeed, any computer (and a fortiori any serve

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread tomas
. It is wise to avoid gratuitous rotation schemes. I will be the last ne to advocate any gratuitous rotation scheme (key or password or anything). My point is giving users enough wits and power (and competent help) to make good decisions and to implement them. If my laptop gets stolen, I'll de

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 7:03 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: > > On 20 Mar 2024 15:46 +0800, from jeremy.ard...@gmail.com (jeremy ardley): > > Regarding certificates, I issue VPN certificates to be installed on each > > remote device. I don't use public key. > > What exactly is

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Dan Ritter
jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 20/3/24 19:03, Michael Kjörling wrote: > > On 20 Mar 2024 15:46 +0800, fromjeremy.ard...@gmail.com (jeremy ardley): > > > [users are locked out from uploading their public key using ssh-copy-id] > > So the private keys aren't private, thereby invalidating a lot of > >

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 20 Mar 2024 12:17 +0100, from to...@tuxteam.de: >>> For ssh use I issue secret keys to each user and maintain matching public >>> keys in LDAP servers [...] > >> So the private keys aren't private, thereby invalidating a lot of >> assumptions inherent in public key cryptography. > > We are usi

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 20 Mar 2024 19:21 +0800, from jeremy.ard...@gmail.com (jeremy ardley): >>> Regarding certificates, I issue VPN certificates to be installed on each >>> remote device. I don't use public key. >> >> What exactly is this "certificate" that you speak of? In typical >> usage, it means a public key p

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread jeremy ardley
On 20/3/24 19:03, Michael Kjörling wrote: On 20 Mar 2024 15:46 +0800, fromjeremy.ard...@gmail.com (jeremy ardley): Regarding certificates, I issue VPN certificates to be installed on each remote device. I don't use public key. What exactly is this "certificate" that you speak of? In typical

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 11:03:16AM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 20 Mar 2024 15:46 +0800, from jeremy.ard...@gmail.com (jeremy ardley): > > Regarding certificates, I issue VPN certificates to be installed on each > > remote device. I don't use public key. > > What exactly is this "certificat

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 20 Mar 2024 15:46 +0800, from jeremy.ard...@gmail.com (jeremy ardley): > Regarding certificates, I issue VPN certificates to be installed on each > remote device. I don't use public key. What exactly is this "certificate" that you speak of? In typical usage, it means a public key plus some surr

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread jeremy ardley
On 20/3/24 13:32, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: How will a "VPN" with a "certificate" (whatever that means in this > context) be more secure than a SSH (assuming key pair authentication, > not password)? > > They are doing the same dance (key exchange, ke

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-20 Thread tomas
pported in sshd via pam. > > > > How will a "VPN" with a "certificate" (whatever that means in this context) > > be more secure than a SSH (assuming key pair authentication, not password)? > > This may be more theoretical, but... IPSec uses > Encr

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-19 Thread Jeffrey Walton
context) > be more secure than a SSH (assuming key pair authentication, not password)? This may be more theoretical, but... IPSec uses Encrypt-then-Authenticate (EtA), which is provably secure under random models. In fact, I believe IPSec is IND-CCA2 secure (Ciphertext Indistinguishability), which is

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-19 Thread tomas
s root. A > further enhancement of security is to use 2-factor authentication - which is > supported in sshd via pam. How will a "VPN" with a "certificate" (whatever that means in this context) be more secure than a SSH (assuming key pair authentication, not password)? They are

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-19 Thread debian-user
Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: > For most values of "you", most attackers don't care about _your_ > account, or _your_ system; they care about _any_ account, or _any_ > system. Actually targeted attacks do happen, but very rarely compared > to what might be thought of as attacker

Re: Root password strength

2024-03-19 Thread jeremy ardley
On 19/3/24 23:02, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 05:42:55PM +0300, Jan Krapivin wrote: The root user's password should be long (12 characters or more) and impossible to guess. Indeed, any computer (and a fortiori any server) connected to the Internet is regularly target

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