Greg Wooledge:
wooledg:~$ ip link
1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode
DEFAULT group default qlen 1
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: eth0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP
mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
link/ether a0:8c:fd:c3:89:e0 brd
Greg Wooledge:
Gene's copy/paste was crude, but his point was essentially valid:
No, it was not. I remind you of xyr point which was:
Gene Heskett:
So if you call it widely publicized it fails that definition AFAIAC.
That I pointed to 9 different copies, including copies on Debian's ow
Felix Miata:
The problem with software documentation wikis is the people in best
position to know what they should contain have no incentive to do the
update work. To write useful docs requires knowledge what should be in
them. That knowledge is mostly possessed by those writing and changing
On Monday 21 August 2017 09:06:27 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 06:35:09PM +0100, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
wrote:
> > Debian 7 has those very manual pages:
> >
> >
> > * https://manpages.debian.org/wheezy/upstart/inittab.5.en.html
>
> Gene's copy/paste was crude, but his point w
On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 06:35:09PM +0100, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> Debian 7 has those very manual pages:
>
>
> * https://manpages.debian.org/wheezy/upstart/inittab.5.en.html
Gene's copy/paste was crude, but his point was essentially valid:
the inittab(5) page on a *real* wheezy system
On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:59:46 -0500
David Wright wrote:
> On Sat 19 Aug 2017 at 10:53:01 (+0100), Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
> wrote:
> > Joe: [ in
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/08/msg00700.html ]
> > >Stretch? Systemd was default init for Jessie, the previous stable.
> > >Worse, a
On Sat 19 Aug 2017 at 10:53:01 (+0100), Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> Joe: [ in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/08/msg00700.html ]
>
> >Stretch? Systemd was default init for Jessie, the previous stable.
> >Worse, an upgrade of Wheezy to Jessie would actually change the
> >init syste
On Sat 19 Aug 2017 at 15:05:51 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
[Lots and lots of brutal snipping]
> ===
>
> > * https://manpages.debian.org/wheezy/systemd-sysv/runlevel.8.en.html
>
> Which is even older with a 1997 origin date.
>
> I won't waste the bandwidth
On Saturday 19 August 2017 13:35:09 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:
> > Furthermore: In this *particular* regard, the developer-provided
> > doco actually *is* clear. The upstart manual page for inittab has
> > been warning that the file is obsolete for over ten years
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:
Furthermore: In this *particular* regard, the developer-provided doco
actually *is* clear. The upstart manual page for inittab has been
warning that the file is obsolete for over ten years, and that manual
page is copied all over the WWW making it fairly easy to come
On Saturday 19 August 2017 05:32:25 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> Felix Miata:
> > What's needed is incentive for code creators to simultaneously
> > document, with ample examples that man pages usually omit, even if
> > it's only in formal, non-wikified docs that wikis can point to.
That wo
On Sat, 19 Aug 2017, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
The systemd people have not explicitly documented inittab, as the upstart
people did, although they have explicitly documented run levels as "obsolete"
in the systemd manual page for runlevel. This, too, has been copied around the
WWW, albe
Joe:
Stretch? Systemd was default init for Jessie, the previous stable.
Worse, an upgrade of Wheezy to Jessie would actually change the init
system used, thus breaking almost every Debian server in the world.
Nicolas George:
I must be lucky, none of the servers that I handle broke because
Felix Miata:
What's needed is incentive for code creators to simultaneously
document, with ample examples that man pages usually omit, even if
it's only in formal, non-wikified docs that wikis can point to.
Gene Heskett:
It should be an iron-clad rule that a developer submitting his itch
Pierre Frenkiel:
I discovered recently, after re-installing my system with the Debian
9.1 kde live dvd, that the /etc/inittab is no more present, although
all the documentation I found still mentions it,
Have a frequently given answer that tells you otherwise. (-:
* http://jdebp.eu./FGA/i
> Much less was I trying to criticize you,
Oh I didn't think you were :-)
> Just trying to raise awareness about (the few) shell variation idiosyncracies
> I know about, to help making people's lives easier.
Sounds good to me.
--
Cheers,
Clive
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On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 02:56:01PM +0100, Clive Standbridge wrote:
>
> > The "declare", OTOH, is pretty Bashist. But it can be replaced by
> > a simple "echo":
>
> True. It was just a convenient way of showing that the variable hadn't
> absorbed any
> The "declare", OTOH, is pretty Bashist. But it can be replaced by
> a simple "echo":
True. It was just a convenient way of showing that the variable hadn't
absorbed any white space.
Besides, I was just picking up the "Bash can't do it" gauntlet. I'd
often prefer awk in such a situation (like
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 11:58:06AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> oldIFS="$IFS"; IFS=': '; ip -o link | while read num interface other;
> do echo "$interface"; done; IFS="$oldIFS"
ip -o link | while IFS=' :' read -r _ i _; do echo "<$i>"; done
There's no need to set IFS globally and then
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On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 04:58:24AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 August 2017 03:28:43 Clive Standbridge wrote:
>
> > oldIFS="$IFS"; IFS=': '; ip -o link | while read num interface other;
> > do declare -p interface; done; IFS="$oldIFS"
On Wednesday 16 August 2017 03:28:43 Clive Standbridge wrote:
> oldIFS="$IFS"; IFS=': '; ip -o link | while read num interface other;
> do declare -p interface; done; IFS="$oldIFS"
Now thats an interesting bit of bashism, and deeper into it than I have
waded. But for this local network, I know w
> wooledg:~$ ip -o link | awk -F": " '{print $2}'
> lo
> eth0
>
> The only other scripting language I know that can do splitting with
> multi-character separators is perl.
>
> wooledg:~$ ip -o link | perl -ne '@x=split(/: /); print $x[1], "\n"'
> lo
> eth0
>
> Bash and Tcl can't do it, at least
On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 21:49:31 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 August 2017 15:28:32 David Wright wrote:
>
> > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 14:48:50 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:00:50 Brian wrote:
> > > > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:46:20 -0400, Gene Heskett wr
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 15:46:15 Brian wrote:
> On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 14:53:39 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:19:37 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:24:56 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 10:48:12 Nicolas George wrote:
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 15:28:32 David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 14:48:50 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:00:50 Brian wrote:
> > > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:46:20 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 13:07:38 David Wright wrote:
>
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 15:23:44 Brian wrote:
> On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 14:48:50 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:00:50 Brian wrote:
> > > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:46:20 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 13:07:38 David Wright wrote:
> > > > > O
On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 14:53:39 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:19:37 David Wright wrote:
>
> > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:24:56 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 10:48:12 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > > L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christi
On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 14:48:50 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:00:50 Brian wrote:
>
> > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:46:20 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 13:07:38 David Wright wrote:
> > > > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 11:23:41 (-0400), Gene Heskett wr
On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 14:48:50 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:00:50 Brian wrote:
>
> > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:46:20 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 13:07:38 David Wright wrote:
> > > > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 11:23:41 (-0400), Gene Heskett wro
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:19:37 David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:24:56 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 10:48:12 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > > > Around 30 years of familiarity across many *n
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:01:28 Nicolas George wrote:
> L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > Nicolas: The nearest ipv6 address to me is likely 150 miles north,
> > in Pittsburgh PA. Its all ipv4 here in WV AFAIK.
>
> You seem to be under the misapprehension that the polic
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:00:50 Brian wrote:
> On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:46:20 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 13:07:38 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 11:23:41 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 07:33:53 Nicolas George wrote:
On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:24:56 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 August 2017 10:48:12 Nicolas George wrote:
>
> > L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > > Around 30 years of familiarity across many *nix flavours.
> >
> > You said it: the only superiority of ifc
L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> Nicolas: The nearest ipv6 address to me is likely 150 miles north, in
> Pittsburgh PA. Its all ipv4 here in WV AFAIK.
You seem to be under the misapprehension that the policy of Debian
development revolves around your personal perceived ne
On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:46:20 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 August 2017 13:07:38 David Wright wrote:
>
> > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 11:23:41 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 07:33:53 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > > L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christi
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 13:07:38 David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 11:23:41 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 07:33:53 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > > > If it's no longer part of the base system, th
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 10:48:12 Nicolas George wrote:
> L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > Around 30 years of familiarity across many *nix flavours.
>
> You said it: the only superiority of ifconfig over iproute2 is
> tradition and familiarity of long-time users. O
On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 11:23:41 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 August 2017 07:33:53 Nicolas George wrote:
>
> > L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > > If it's no longer part of the base system, then perhaps the system
> > > is too base?
> >
> > Please ellab
On Mon 14 Aug 2017 at 13:10:44 (-0300), Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:21:24 -0300
> > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
> > > > up the courage to do the real thing. There was nothing funda
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Because ip is a pain in the ass to make it run, and still gives grossly
> incomplete information?
>
> In 2 years, I have yet to get a full network report out of ip such as
> ifconfig gives.
How about fixing ip? Like 'ip --config'? Or just 'i
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 07:33:53 Nicolas George wrote:
> L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > If it's no longer part of the base system, then perhaps the system
> > is too base?
>
> Please ellaborate. Why should ifconfig be part of the base system?
>
> Regards,
Becau
L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> Around 30 years of familiarity across many *nix flavours.
You said it: the only superiority of ifconfig over iproute2 is tradition
and familiarity of long-time users. On the other hand, ifconfig is
technically inferior on most if not a
On 15-08-17, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 15.08.17 15:03, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> > And what exactly do you miss in ifconfig and net-tools package, that you
> > can not do with ip, which is part of iproute2 package that comes as part
> > of base system?
>
> Around 30 years of familiarity across many
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 03:14:02PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
> Have you looked at "ip -s link"? It's not quite as easy to parse as "netstat
> -in", but all the information's there.
Actually, "ip -o link" is a step in the right direction:
wooledg:~$ ip -o link
1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue stat
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017, Felix Miata wrote:
> >> > Please ellaborate. Why should ifconfig be part of the base system?
Indeed. It shouldn't, and it doesn't anymore. Maybe net-tools should
be part of the *standard* system, but it certainly does not belong to
the *base* system anymore.
*base* is "what
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 09:29:37AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 03:03:35PM +0200, Dejan Jocic wrote:
And what exactly do you miss in ifconfig and net-tools package, that you
can not do with ip, which is part of iproute2 package that comes as part
of base system?
What ipr
Dejan Jocic composed on 2017-08-15 15:03 (UTC+0200):
> Erik Christiansen wrote:
>> Nicolas George wrote:
>> > Please ellaborate. Why should ifconfig be part of the base system?
>> With pleasure. It is the most basic and useful *nix networking tool,
>> traditional since well back in the last mil
On 15.08.17 09:29, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> wooledg:~$ netstat -in
> Kernel Interface table
> Iface MTURX-OK RX-ERR RX-DRP RX-OVRTX-OK TX-ERR TX-DRP TX-OVR Flg
> eth0 1500 8254258 0 0 0 7682795 0 0 0
> BMRU
> lo 65536 579959 0 0 0
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 03:03:35PM +0200, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> And what exactly do you miss in ifconfig and net-tools package, that you
> can not do with ip, which is part of iproute2 package that comes as part
> of base system?
What iproute2 and net-tools are BOTH missing is a sane, script-friend
On 15.08.17 15:03, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> And what exactly do you miss in ifconfig and net-tools package, that you
> can not do with ip, which is part of iproute2 package that comes as part
> of base system?
Around 30 years of familiarity across many *nix flavours. If the package
builders are more f
On 15-08-17, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 15.08.17 13:33, Nicolas George wrote:
> > L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > > If it's no longer part of the base system, then perhaps the system is
> > > too base?
> >
> > Please ellaborate. Why should ifconfig be part of th
On 15.08.17 13:33, Nicolas George wrote:
> L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > If it's no longer part of the base system, then perhaps the system is
> > too base?
>
> Please ellaborate. Why should ifconfig be part of the base system?
With pleasure. It is the most basi
L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> If it's no longer part of the base system, then perhaps the system is
> too base?
Please ellaborate. Why should ifconfig be part of the base system?
Regards,
--
Nicolas George
On 14.08.17 16:23, deloptes wrote:
> Erik Christiansen wrote:
>
> > Now, if that brings back ifconfig as well, I won't have to rummage about
> > finding which package that might be in.
> >
>
> $ dpkg -S /sbin/ifconfig
> net-tools: /sbin/ifconfig
>
> should be installed manually as it is no long
On Monday 14 August 2017 16:33:40 Felix Miata wrote:
> Brian composed on 2017-08-14 20:22 (UTC+0100):
> > So - what should be done about the wiki? Surely, that is the thrust
> > of the OP's question. Altering the wiki page is relatively
> > straightforward. A single user (or group of users) trying
2017/08/15 1:05 "Brian" :
>
> On Mon 14 Aug 2017 at 13:22:45 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
>
> > Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, Pierre Frenkiel a écrit :
> > > I just wanted to know why the Debian wiki is not updated, 2 months
after the Stretch release.
> >
> > Jessie also used systemd, so that
On Mon 14 Aug 2017 at 16:33:40 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Brian composed on 2017-08-14 20:22 (UTC+0100):
>
> > So - what should be done about the wiki? Surely, that is the thrust of
> > the OP's question. Altering the wiki page is relatively straightforward.
> > A single user (or group of users)
Brian composed on 2017-08-14 20:22 (UTC+0100):
> So - what should be done about the wiki? Surely, that is the thrust of
> the OP's question. Altering the wiki page is relatively straightforward.
> A single user (or group of users) trying to alter the init system policy
> is doomed to failure, no m
On Mon 14 Aug 2017 at 20:54:24 +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 14.08.17 11:43, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> > hi everybody,
> > I discovered recently, after re-installing my system with the Debian 9.1 kde
> > live dvd, that the /etc/inittab is no more present, although
> > all the documentation I
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Darac Marjal wrote:
If we go with that idea, that would suggest that Google web pages (which, for
argument's sake, we shall assume have a stable code base) would be dated from
some months ago, based on when someone "wrote" the page. The date at which the
google web results
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:21:24 -0300
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
> > > up the courage to do the real thing. There was nothing fundamentally
> > > wrong, but a separate /usr really is a show-stopper with systemd,
> > >
On Mon 14 Aug 2017 at 13:22:45 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, Pierre Frenkiel a écrit :
> > I just wanted to know why the Debian wiki is not updated, 2 months after
> > the Stretch release.
>
> Jessie also used systemd, so that is more two years than two months
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:21:24 -0300
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
> > up the courage to do the real thing. There was nothing fundamentally
> > wrong, but a separate /usr really is a show-stopper with systemd,
> > and it's nice to have a working firewall...
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 04:25:21PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Darac Marjal wrote:
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:52:09PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
updated or retired, being mostly frozen in closed forum topics, much of
them not even car
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Darac Marjal wrote:
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:52:09PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
updated or retired, being mostly frozen in closed forum topics, much of
them not even carrying a date.
I always thougth that it was a big error of Tim B
Erik Christiansen wrote:
> Now, if that brings back ifconfig as well, I won't have to rummage about
> finding which package that might be in.
>
$ dpkg -S /sbin/ifconfig
net-tools: /sbin/ifconfig
should be installed manually as it is no longer part of the base system
... and I thought I learned
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
> up the courage to do the real thing. There was nothing fundamentally
> wrong, but a separate /usr really is a show-stopper with systemd, and
> it's nice to have a working firewall...
The standard Debian initramfs is supposed to handle that, if it is not
doing that
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:52:09PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
updated or retired, being mostly frozen in closed forum topics, much of
them not even carrying a date.
I always thougth that it was a big error of Tim Berners-Lee not
oblige to date in a visible
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
updated or retired, being mostly frozen in closed forum topics, much of
them not even carrying a date.
I always thougth that it was a big error of Tim Berners-Lee not
oblige to date in a visible way all web pages.
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:04:19 +0200
Nicolas George wrote:
> Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, Joe a écrit :
> > Stretch? Systemd was default init for Jessie, the previous stable.
> > Worse, an upgrade of Wheezy to Jessie would actually change the init
> > system used, thus breaking almost every D
Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, Joe a écrit :
> Stretch? Systemd was default init for Jessie, the previous stable.
> Worse, an upgrade of Wheezy to Jessie would actually change the init
> system used, thus breaking almost every Debian server in the world.
I must be lucky, none of the servers th
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Joe wrote:
What the *nix world *really* needs is a worm to locate all old
documentation on the Net, and at the very least, mark it OBSOLETE in
very big letters.
I entirely agree, but if there is no available worm, it is a full-time job...
best regards,
--
Pierre Frenki
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 13:09:24 +0200 (CEST)
Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Erik Christiansen wrote:
>
> >
> > It's fine to add new stuff to *nix, but the user interface for
> > existing stuff has to remain, or it's not worth a biscuit. (c.f.
> > postfix, which provides a sendmail-s
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Nicolas George wrote:
Jessie also used systemd, so that is more two years than two months.
all the Jessie systems I know actually have /etc/iniitab and
/etc/init.d/rc...
The answer to that question is simple: it is a wiki, it has not been
updated because you did not
Le septidi 27 thermidor, an CCXXV, Pierre Frenkiel a écrit :
> thanks Erik for your explanations, but actually I see no good reason to
> revert to sysinit.
If you trust the Debian developers who made the choice to switch to
systemd over random advice on the mailing-list, you indeed have no
reason
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Erik Christiansen wrote:
Yup, but it hasn't missed you. We no longer run Linux, but rather, Systemdix.
In Debian, systemd is inexorably replacing swathes of traditional *nix
functionality which we have over several decades learnt to use and rely
on. With Systemdix, we not on
On 14.08.17 11:43, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> hi everybody,
> I discovered recently, after re-installing my system with the Debian 9.1 kde
> live dvd, that the /etc/inittab is no more present, although
> all the documentation I found still mentions it, For example, from the Debian
> wiki:
>
> The s
hi everybody,
I discovered recently, after re-installing my system with the Debian 9.1 kde
live dvd, that the /etc/inittab is no more present, although
all the documentation I found still mentions it, For example, from the Debian
wiki:
The system initialization process is handled by the init dae
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