Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 11:19:33AM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > This has the unfortunate effect that reply-to is just completely > useless. It was made useless when the original list munged it. But > two wrongs do not make a right. Three do. :-) I thought that was two wrongs don't make a right,

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-11-01 Thread Bob Proulx
Karsten M. Self wrote: > Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > > In that situation, mutt's > > set ignore_list_reply_to = yes # fix broken mailing list software > > option is what you need! > > [...] > All the more reason why reply-to munging is harmful in > the first place. > > But in a balance of

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-11-01 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:20:30AM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 08:36:16AM -0600, Ron Jr wrote: > | On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 07:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > | > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:14:15AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > | > > On Tue, Oct 28,

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-11-01 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:04:25PM -0500, Emma Jane Hogbin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:17:52AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > My .muttrc highlights my own posts (bright cyan) in index view, and > > notes posts in response to or mentioning my name (easier for me than >

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-31 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Bijan Soleymani ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031029 07:26]: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 07:44:52PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:12:28PM -0500, David Gaudine wrote: > > > With this mail program (the default Mac mail program, which I've not > > > used much), when I click "reply"

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-30 Thread Steve Lamb
David Gaudine wrote: > I wouldn't use "reply to all", I'd just CC the one person. But indeed, for > those who have to choose between "reply" and "Reply to all" and don't want > to adjust things manually, that problem is there. How would you do that, though? The most common example of CCing th

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread moseley
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:17:52AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: > My .muttrc highlights my own posts (bright cyan) in index view, and > notes posts in response to or mentioning my name (easier for me than > some folk) (cyan). So my posts and any replies/references stand out. Drifting off the of

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:09:56PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > my_hdr Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You should be able to do this in a hook too to turn this on and off in > particular lists automatically. WARNING! Untested! > > folder-hook . "

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bob Proulx
Paul Johnson wrote: > Karsten M. Self wrote: > > You can accomplish this by setting the "Reply-To" header of your own > > posts. Though some lists will strip and/or rewrite this (considered > > harmful, GIYF). > > For the people wanting to experiment, care to give a muttrc example? my_hdr Repl

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Emma Jane Hogbin
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:59:06PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > > Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > My .muttrc highlights my own posts (bright cyan) in index view, and > > > notes posts in response to or mentioning my name (easier for me than > > > some folk) (cyan). So my posts

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bob Proulx
Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > Karsten M. Self wrote: > > My .muttrc highlights my own posts (bright cyan) in index view, and > > notes posts in response to or mentioning my name (easier for me than > > some folk) (cyan). So my posts and any replies/references stand out. > > O, tell me how! Since

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:17:52AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: > You can accomplish this by setting the "Reply-To" header of your own > posts. Though some lists will strip and/or rewrite this (considered > harmful, GIYF). For the people wanting to

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 05:15:32PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: | Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: | >File a bug report. | | Why? I don't see it as a bug. Richard said he does ... | >Mutt handles this situation correctly, as follows : | >list-reply replies only to the list (because Mail-Follow

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Emma Jane Hogbin
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:17:52AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: > My .muttrc highlights my own posts (bright cyan) in index view, and > notes posts in response to or mentioning my name (easier for me than > some folk) (cyan). So my posts and any replies/references stand out. O, tell me how!

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread David Gaudine
Steve Lamb wrote: > Also there are other problems with the CC approach. Take, for example, a > conversation between 20 people on the same topic (much like this one) all > whacking reply-to-all. Ok, fine, why have the mailing list software at all? > By the time that 20th person hits reply-to-a

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:18:58AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I like getting CCs. I receive hundreds of mailing list mail a day and > might not be able to check up on all of them every day, but I make > sure to check my main inbox, that way I can see if anybody replied to

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: File a bug report. Why? I don't see it as a bug. Mutt handles this situation correctly, as follows : list-reply replies only to the list (because Mail-Followup-To doesn't request a Cc) reply asks if t

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Steve Lamb
David Gaudine wrote: > I'm surprised that so many people don't like CCs. When I send a message, I > want to know if somebody replies. Without a CC (or the above) I won't get > the reply until the next time I check the list, and then only if read every > message on the list or remember which subje

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Johann Koenig
On Wednesday October 29 at 12:36pm Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:10:57 +0800 > "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sylpheed has 'reply to > all > > sender > > mailing list' > > > > op

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread David Palmer.
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:36:06 + Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:10:57 +0800 > "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sylpheed has 'reply to > all > > sender > > mailing list' > > > > op

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread David Palmer.
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:18:27 + Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:37:25 -0500 > Derrick 'dman' Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If sylpheed can't handle that, then that is a bug and ought to be > > fixed. > > Well ... my track record on persuading them

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 at 18:26 GMT, David Gaudine penned: > On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: > > There's an idea. I'll try it. Although personally I'd still rather > receive the message in my debian-user folder and a CC in my inbox. I > suppose I can use a rule

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Richard Kimber
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:37:25 -0500 Derrick 'dman' Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If sylpheed can't handle that, then that is a bug and ought to be > fixed. Well ... my track record on persuading them what is a bug is not good, and a common response is to be told to go and write the code myse

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:26:11PM -0500, David Gaudine wrote: > There's an idea. I'll try it. Although personally I'd still rather > receive the message in my debian-user folder and a CC in my inbox. I > suppose I can use a rule to duplicate the message if it's to > debian-user with me as a refe

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:00:25PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:38:45AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: > > Shouldn't you be hitting the L key in mutt, for 'reply-to-list' instead > > of g for 'reply-to-all'... > > Especially considering that the code of conduct for the list:

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Marc Wilson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:00:25PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > To use L I have to define the mailing lists I am subscribed to, this > causes mutt to do weird things (I don't remember exactly what, but it > might have shown debian-user as the sender of all messages from > debian-user, instead of

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread David Gaudine
On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: > Yup, the way I do this with KMail is to add a filter that checks if my > domain is in the References-header and puts it in a special folder if > it is. There's an idea. I'll try it. Although personally I'd still rather receiv

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Lou Losee
> To use L I have to define the mailing lists I am subscribed to, this > causes mutt to do weird things (I don't remember exactly what, but it > might have shown debian-user as the sender of all messages from > debian-user, instead of the actual senders). Not for me - the From: header is correct

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:00:25PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > To use L I have to define the mailing lists I am subscribed to, this > causes mutt to do weird things (I don't remember exactly what, but it > might have shown debian-user as the sender

mutt list handling (was Re: netiquette: CCing on lists)

2003-10-29 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:00:25PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: | On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:38:45AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: | > Shouldn't you be hitting the L key in mutt, for 'reply-to-list' instead | > of g for 'reply-to-all'... Yes, he should. | To use L I have to define the mailing lists I

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:36:06PM +, Richard Kimber wrote: | On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:10:57 +0800 "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | | > Sylpheed has 'reply to > all | > sender | > mailing list' | > | > option that works for me. |

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 07:51:09AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > Bijan Soleymani wrote: > >I like getting CCs. I receive hundreds of mailing list mail a day and > >might not be able to check up on all of them every day, but I make sure > >to check my main inbox, that way I can see if anybody replied t

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Richard Kimber
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:10:57 +0800 "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sylpheed has 'reply to > all > sender > mailing list' > > option that works for me. But setting Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] as you seem to have done, pr

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:38:45AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:12:49AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > I hit the g key in mutt. It usually does do CCs. I'm told that there is > > a header that people can set to request no CCs. I think you mentionned > > something along th

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: On Wednesday 29 October 2003 16:18, Bijan Soleymani wrote: I like getting CCs. I receive hundreds of mailing list mail a day and might not be able to check up on all of them every day, but I make sure to check my main inbox, that way I can see if anybody replied to anything

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Lou Losee
* Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-10-29 11:32]: > Bijan Soleymani wrote: > >I hit the g key in mutt. It usually does do CCs. I'm told that there is > >a header that people can set to request no CCs. I think you mentionned > >something along those lines. I am pretty sure mutt respects that. I >

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 08:36:16AM -0600, Ron Jr wrote: | On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 07:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:14:15AM +, Colin Watson wrote: | > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:03:05PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote: | [snip] | > | > Is CC'ing at epidemic levels on de

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Bijan Soleymani wrote: I like getting CCs. I receive hundreds of mailing list mail a day and might not be able to check up on all of them every day, but I make sure to check my main inbox, that way I can see if anybody replied to anything I said. But how does this translate into being good to s

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Bijan Soleymani wrote: I hit the g key in mutt. It usually does do CCs. I'm told that there is a header that people can set to request no CCs. I think you mentionned something along those lines. I am pretty sure mutt respects that. I think most of the CCs you are receiving are from borken mail-clie

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread ScruLoose
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:12:49AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 03:36:47PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > > > > > Upon reading this, I have to agree with you -- having a supposedly > > private message sent to the list could range from mildly annoying to > > outrageous

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Kjetil Kjernsmo
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 16:18, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > I like getting CCs. I receive hundreds of mailing list mail a day and > might not be able to check up on all of them every day, but I make > sure to check my main inbox, that way I can see if anybody replied to > anything I said. Yup, th

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 07:44:52PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:12:28PM -0500, David Gaudine wrote: > > With this mail program (the default Mac mail program, which I've not > > used much), when I click "reply" it's your address that gets used. > > I manually changed it in

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:39:19AM +0800, David Palmer. wrote: > Just my perception of it:- > It's unnecessary. If someone is already subscribed to a list, obviously > they are going to receive the post. To cc as well, to the same > recipient, is not only pointless, it can be invasive. > > If this

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 03:36:47PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 22:18 GMT, Kjetil Kjernsmo penned: > > > > I can't agree. For a review of the opposing viewpoints, see > > http://marc.merlins.org/perso/listreplyto.html I've been in both > > camps, but I have now settled

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 05:57:42AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:14:15AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:03:05PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote: > > > Most of the people who have this problem, I believe, have the > > > technical ability to setup

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Ron Jr
On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 07:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:14:15AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:03:05PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote: [snip] > > Is CC'ing at epidemic levels on debian-user? I don't find it bad, since the debian- mailing lists are

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread moseley
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:14:15AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:03:05PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote: > > Most of the people who have this problem, I believe, have the > > technical ability to setup such a filter, and for reasons that I don't > > understand choose not to do

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:57:26 -0800, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Roberto Sanchez wrote: > > You have a point. However, I usually make an exception in the case > > of newbies becuase they may not receive list messages (because of > > Yahoo! or Hotmail sp

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:03:05PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote: > Monique Y. Herman said on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 11:34:25AM -0700: > > I put a comment in my sig requesting that I not receive CCs, and I > > swear that the number of CCs I received actually increased! > > > > What can I do that will c

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 06:32:44PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > I forget who already mentioned it this time around, but it is > automatic. Some mail clients aren't current/advanced/sophisticated > enough to have a specific "reply-to-list" fun

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 05:12:42PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > mutt is _very_ powerful; at this point I use enough of its advanced > features and have enough keystrokes ingrained in my fingers that I > can't really handle mail (certainly not

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:37:49PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: > And another thing: all those spamassassin headers are resent to the list. > Seems a waste of bandwidth... Murphy is running spamassassin, IIRC. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:12:28PM -0500, David Gaudine wrote: > With this mail program (the default Mac mail program, which I've not > used much), when I click "reply" it's your address that gets used. > I manually changed it in my earlier followup (s

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread David Palmer.
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:28:12 -0600 Ron Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 17:10, David Palmer. wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:37:49 +0100 > > Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:30, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > > > [...] > > > > Hrm

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Ron Jr
On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 17:10, David Palmer. wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:37:49 +0100 > Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:30, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > > [...] > > > Hrm.. Does debian-user not set the reply-to to the list, or is this my > > [...] [snip

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Roberto Sanchez wrote: You have a point. However, I usually make an exception in the case of newbies becuase they may not receive list messages (because of Yahoo! or Hotmail spam filtering for such accounts). I know I had this problem when I first subscribed to the list. But otherwise, I tend to

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Steve Lamb wrote: Mark Ferlatte wrote: Most of the people who have this problem, I believe, have the technical ability to setup such a filter, and for reasons that I don't understand choose not to do so and instead depend upon the charity of the mailing list posters to cater to their reply whim

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Bill Moseley wrote: Matter of opinion, as I appreciate the CC. Well, here's the deal. If you didn't get the CC does it make extra work for you? You still get the message on the list, right? The person getting the CC has to either set up filtering or manually delete it. It is the same kin

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Bill Moseley
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 04:51:14PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > > You don't have to, the onus is on them to ask, explicitly, in the body > of the message that they want a CC. If they don't ask and you don't send > that is their problem. But sending a CC unasked you're causing unasked >

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Mark Ferlatte
Monique Y. Herman said on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 05:00:29PM -0700: > Something about slrn not handling quoted-printable multi-part messages > properly, I believe. I don't know the meaning of what I just said, but > that's what I've been told. I guess I could write a vim script to clean > it up on r

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
- Original Message - From: "Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 13:30 Subject: Re: netiquette: CCing on lists > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 19:12 GMT, David Gaudine penned: > > > > On Tuesday, O

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Monique Y. Herman wrote: For those of you who CC people when responding to the mailing list, why do you do this? Is there some benefit to doing so of which I'm unaware? None. They just like breaking the CoC for these mailing lists. item #9.

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Mark Ferlatte wrote: Most of the people who have this problem, I believe, have the technical ability to setup such a filter, and for reasons that I don't understand choose not to do so and instead depend upon the charity of the mailing list posters to cater to their reply whims. This, to me, seems

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Bill Moseley wrote: I cc, but luckily my mailer mutt understands what you want. That's good because I can't keep track of what the hundreds (thousands?) of people on this list wish, and not all of them have smart mailers to set the Mail-Followup-To header. You don't have to, the onus is on the

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 23:38 GMT, Mark Ferlatte penned: > >=20 Whoa. Where did all of those `=3D' chars come from? Dunno. I see them on some of the messages I receive. And then again just now in the text you quoted. Something about slrn not handling quoted-printable multi-part messages proper

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 23:19 GMT, Bill Moseley penned: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 11:34:25AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: >> I'm going to attempt to make this a polite question, rather than a >> rant or flame ... >> >> For those of you who CC people when responding to the mailing list, >> why do

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 23:10 GMT, David Palmer. penned: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:37:49 +0100 Richard Lyons > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:30, Monique Y. Herman wrote: [...] >> > Hrm.. Does debian-user not set the reply-to to the list, or is >> > this my >> [...] A

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 03:36:47PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: | But then I have to ask -- do some clients automagically CC the poster, | or are people going to the trouble of CCing manually? I forget who already mentioned it this time around, but it is automatic. Some mail clients aren't cu

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Mark Ferlatte
Monique Y. Herman said on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 03:41:56PM -0700: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 22:03 GMT, Mark Ferlatte penned: > [snip] > > > > Most of the people who have this problem, I believe, have the > > technical abi= lity to setup such a filter, and for reasons that I > > don't understand choo

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Bill Moseley
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 11:34:25AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > I'm going to attempt to make this a polite question, rather than a rant > or flame ... > > For those of you who CC people when responding to the mailing list, why > do you do this? Is there some benefit to doing so of which I'm

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread David Palmer.
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:37:49 +0100 Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:30, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > [...] > > Hrm.. Does debian-user not set the reply-to to the list, or is this my > [...] > Apparently not. I wonder why not. It would surely be a good idea

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 22:03 GMT, Mark Ferlatte penned: [snip] > > Most of the people who have this problem, I believe, have the > technical abi= lity to setup such a filter, and for reasons that I > don't understand choose not = to do so and instead depend upon the > charity of the mailing list p

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 22:18 GMT, Kjetil Kjernsmo penned: > > I can't agree. For a review of the opposing viewpoints, see > http://marc.merlins.org/perso/listreplyto.html I've been in both > camps, but I have now settled for the "harmful" camp. I've been to > too many mailing lists with reply-tos

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Kjetil Kjernsmo
On Tuesday 28 October 2003 22:37, Richard Lyons wrote: > Apparently not.  I wonder why not.  It would surely be a good idea  - > for those using simpler mail clients.  I use kmail and filter lists > direct to their own folders, where I set the reply-to-list address to > try to prevent myself making

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:37:49PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: | On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:30, Monique Y. Herman wrote: | [...] | > Hrm.. Does debian-user not set the reply-to to the list, or is this my | [...] | Apparently not. Correct. | I wonder why not. These, probably amongst other rea

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Erik Steffl
Richard Lyons wrote: On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:30, Monique Y. Herman wrote: [...] Hrm.. Does debian-user not set the reply-to to the list, or is this my [...] Apparently not. I wonder why not. It would surely be a good idea - for those using simpler mail clients. I use kmail and filter li

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Mark Ferlatte
Monique Y. Herman said on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 11:34:25AM -0700: > I'm going to attempt to make this a polite question, rather than a rant > or flame ... Huzzah! Polite questions are gold. > For those of you who CC people when responding to the mailing list, why > do you do this? Is there some

RE: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Joyce, Matthew
> > I'm going to attempt to make this a polite question, rather > than a rant or flame ... > > For those of you who CC people when responding to the mailing > list, why do you do this? Is there some benefit to doing so > of which I'm unaware? > > I believe I have the Mail-Followup-To header

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread p
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 11:34:25AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > I'm going to attempt to make this a polite question, rather than a rant > or flame ... > > For those of you who CC people when responding to the mailing list, why > do you do this? Is there some benefit to doing so of which I'm

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Clive Menzies
On (28/10/03 22:37), Richard Lyons wrote: > On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:30, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > [...] > > Hrm.. Does debian-user not set the reply-to to the list, or is this my > [...] > Apparently not. I wonder why not. It would surely be a good idea - for > those using simpler mail

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Richard Lyons
On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:30, Monique Y. Herman wrote: [...] > Hrm.. Does debian-user not set the reply-to to the list, or is this my [...] Apparently not. I wonder why not. It would surely be a good idea - for those using simpler mail clients. I use kmail and filter lists direct to thei

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 19:12 GMT, David Gaudine penned: > > On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 01:34 PM, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > > > I believe I have the Mail-Followup-To header set on my outgoing > > messages, which should be a clue for some readers. (I was told that > > gmane would translate M

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread David Gaudine
On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 01:34 PM, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > I believe I have the Mail-Followup-To header set on my outgoing > messages, which should be a clue for some readers. (I was told that > gmane would translate Mail-Copies-To to Mail-Followup-To automagically.) With this mail pr

netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Monique Y. Herman
I'm going to attempt to make this a polite question, rather than a rant or flame ... For those of you who CC people when responding to the mailing list, why do you do this? Is there some benefit to doing so of which I'm unaware? I believe I have the Mail-Followup-To header set on my outgoing mes