Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi, On Thu Nov 21, 2024 at 6:30 AM GMT, David Wright wrote: > But can I ask you why you stopped using f=f when you changed address. It wasn't a change of address, but a change of MUA or MUA config. I certainly had it enabled at some point with mutt, and I changed the way I used mutt (from mostly

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread gene heskett
On 11/21/24 19:01, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 18:32:38 -0500, gene heskett wrote: The =20 tells me its been converted to html style encoding some where. No, =20 is "quoted printable" encoding. It's extremely common for email; it can be used whenever the source content is HTM

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread David Wright
On Wed 20 Nov 2024 at 11:35:28 (-0500), eben@… wrote: > On 11/20/24 10:49, David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 19 Nov 2024 at 19:41:25 (-0500), eben@… wrote: > > > On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > > > Your sig separator arrives here as "--". If it leaves you as "-- ", > > > > which it seems

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 18:32:38 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > The =20 tells me its been converted to html style encoding some where. No, =20 is "quoted printable" encoding. It's extremely common for email; it can be used whenever the source content is HTML or plain text or a calendar invitation o

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread gene heskett
On 11/21/24 10:00, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/20/24 15:31, gene heskett wrote: On 11/20/24 15:16, gene heskett wrote: On 11/20/24 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: Just for kicks: This line has no traili

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread David Wright
On Thu 21 Nov 2024 at 10:11:56 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > On 20/11/2024 22:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, eben wrote: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > This line has one

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread David Wright
On Thu 21 Nov 2024 at 14:38:02 (-0500), eben wrote: > On 11/21/24 11:46, eben wrote: > > On 11/21/24 11:07, eben wrote: > >> On 11/20/24 10:13, eben wrote: > >> > >>> Just for kicks: > >>> This line has no trailing spaces. > >>> This line has one trailing space. > >>> This line has two trailing spa

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread eben
On 11/21/24 11:46, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/21/24 11:07, e...@gmx.us wrote: >> On 11/20/24 10:13, e...@gmx.us wrote: >> >>> Just for kicks: >>> This line has no trailing spaces. >>> This line has one trailing space. >>> This line has two trailing spaces. >> >> OK, I changed "mail.html_compose" fr

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 11:46:01 -0500 e...@gmx.us wrote: Hello e...@gmx.us, >This is a long line that is more than seventy-two characters that >should end with a space. It is wrapped on my end. > >This is a long line that is more than seventy-two characters that >should end with two spaces. It is al

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread eben
On 11/21/24 11:07, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/20/24 10:13, e...@gmx.us wrote: > >> Just for kicks: >> This line has no trailing spaces. >> This line has one trailing space. >> This line has two trailing spaces. > > OK, I changed "mail.html_compose" from true to false.  Now to see if it > makes a di

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 11:07:07 -0500 e...@gmx.us wrote: Hello e...@gmx.us, >This line has no trailing spaces. >This line has one trailing space. >This line has two trailing spaces. No trailing spaces anywhere. Sorry. :-( -- Regards _ "Valid sig separator is {dash}{dash}{space}"

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread eben
On 11/21/24 11:07, e...@gmx.us wrote: OK, I changed "mail.html_compose" from true to false.  Now to see if it makes a difference: This line has no trailing spaces. This line has one trailing space. This line has two trailing spaces. Narrator: It did not.

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread eben
On 11/20/24 10:13, e...@gmx.us wrote: Just for kicks: This line has no trailing spaces. This line has one trailing space. This line has two trailing spaces. OK, I changed "mail.html_compose" from true to false. Now to see if it makes a difference: This line has no trailing spaces. This line

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread tomas
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:00:11AM -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/20/24 15:31, gene heskett wrote: > > On 11/20/24 15:16, gene heskett wrote: > > > On 11/20/24 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: > > > > On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread Max Nikulin
On 21/11/2024 10:11, Max Nikulin wrote: Eben, you may try to inspect sources of your messages ([Ctrl+U]) from sent and draft folders. Interesting, signature separator is lost by gmane, see w3m -m 'nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.linux.debian.user/622024' however it is present in USENET group and w

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread eben
On 11/20/24 15:31, gene heskett wrote: On 11/20/24 15:16, gene heskett wrote: On 11/20/24 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: Just for kicks: This line has no trailing spaces. This line has one trailing s

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread John Crawley
On 21/11/2024 15:10, gene heskett wrote: That doesn't affect the dozens of miss-configured email agents here that violate those SOP's for text emails. My mail filter for debian-user seems to be working OK, everything sent to the right place. Maybe it's because I have fewer filters than you (3

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread gene heskett
On 11/20/24 23:46, John Crawley wrote: On 21/11/2024 05:31, gene heskett wrote: Which is what I am sending from latest t-bird in what I think is plain text, as below, and it works, my too long comment is not greyed out in the incoming echo from the listserver. You should see it incoming but no

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread David Wright
On Tue 19 Nov 2024 at 15:32:47 (+), Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Tue Nov 19, 2024 at 3:02 PM GMT, eben wrote: > > That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k > > attachment. This message also has a space. Is that not what you see? > > I'm afraid not. Looking at your

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread gene heskett
On 11/21/24 01:10, gene heskett wrote: On 11/20/24 23:46, John Crawley wrote: On 21/11/2024 05:31, gene heskett wrote: Which is what I am sending from latest t-bird in what I think is plain text, as below, and it works, my too long comment is not greyed out in the incoming echo from the listse

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread John Crawley
On 21/11/2024 05:31, gene heskett wrote: Which is what I am sending from latest t-bird in what I think is plain text, as below, and it works, my too long comment is not greyed out in the incoming echo from the listserver. You should see it incoming but not in a reply you make that quotes my ms

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-11-20 at 12:08, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/20/24 11:37, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2024-11-20 at 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: >>> Does anyone using Thunderbird _not_ get trailing spaces stripped, >>> or is it just me? >> >> I don't (see signature below), but it may be worth noting that I

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread Max Nikulin
On 20/11/2024 22:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, eben wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed This line has one trailing space. [...] This line has two leading and two trailing spaces.

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread David Wright
On Wed 20 Nov 2024 at 11:35:28 (-0500), eben@… wrote: > > So, naturally you use an editor to compose your posts. > > Not sure why you would assume that, but let's run with it. How would I > configure Tbird do do such a thing? I see no relevant settings for "editor" > or "path" but maybe they're

Re: mail sig separator

2024-11-20 Thread Felix Miata
eben composed on 2024-11-20 12:08 (UTC-0500): > BTW I received your separator as "--=20". But that's once saved as eml. > Onscreen it looks fine, and the signature is greyed out. Anyone know how to > get a pure text version, if such a thing exists? Where is your .sig coming from? If it's in a p

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread gene heskett
On 11/20/24 15:16, gene heskett wrote: On 11/20/24 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: Just for kicks: This line has no trailing spaces. This line has one trailing space. This line has two trailing spaces.

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread gene heskett
On 11/20/24 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: Just for kicks: This line has no trailing spaces. This line has one trailing space. This line has two trailing spaces. In the message I received, none of th

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:08:02 -0500 e...@gmx.us wrote: > Anyone know how to > get a pure text version, if such a thing exists? Possibly storing one's emails in maildir format. Each email is its own raw text file. Suitable grepping or use of mairix or the like should then locate particular messages

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 12:08:02PM -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/20/24 11:37, The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2024-11-20 at 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: > > > > > On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > > If I had to guess, I would guess that Thunderbird is composing > > > > HTML email, and

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread eben
On 11/20/24 11:37, The Wanderer wrote: On 2024-11-20 at 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: If I had to guess, I would guess that Thunderbird is composing HTML email, and then translating it to plain text, with trailing spaces being lost during that translation.

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread eben
On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: Just for kicks: This line has no trailing spaces. This line has one trailing space. This line has two trailing spaces. In the message I received, none of these lines have any trailing spaces. D

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 09:49:58AM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 19 Nov 2024 at 19:41:25 (-0500), eben@… wrote: > > On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:02:59 -0500 eben@… wrote: > > > > > > > That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread eben
On 11/20/24 10:49, David Wright wrote: On Tue 19 Nov 2024 at 19:41:25 (-0500), eben@… wrote: On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: Your sig separator arrives here as "--". If it leaves you as "-- ", which it seems to be based on your attached image, I'm not sure what's happening. I guess u

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-11-20 at 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> If I had to guess, I would guess that Thunderbird is composing >> HTML email, and then translating it to plain text, with trailing >> spaces being lost during that translation. Including the trailing >> space

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread David Wright
On Tue 19 Nov 2024 at 19:41:25 (-0500), eben@… wrote: > On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:02:59 -0500 eben@… wrote: > > > > > That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k > > > attachment. This message also has a space. Is that not what you

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: > Just for kicks: > This line has no trailing spaces. > This line has one trailing space. > This line has two trailing spaces. In the message I received, none of these lines have any trailing spaces. If I had to guess, I would guess that

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread eben
On 11/20/24 00:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 07:41:25PM -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:02:59 -0500 e...@gmx.us wrote: Hello e...@gmx.us, That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k attachme

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-19 Thread Eric S Fraga
Response below/inline for email e...@gmx.us wrote: > (original email sent 19 Nov 2024 at 10:02) > > That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k > attachment. This message also has a space. Is that not what you see? Your post/email comes through without the space after t

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-19 Thread tomas
On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 07:41:25PM -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:02:59 -0500 > > e...@gmx.us wrote: > > > > Hello e...@gmx.us, > > > > > That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k > > > attachment. This mess

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-19 Thread eben
On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:02:59 -0500 e...@gmx.us wrote: Hello e...@gmx.us, That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k attachment. This message also has a space. Is that not what you see? I see what Jonathan sees. Your sig separ

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-19 Thread Markus Schönhaber
19.11.24, 16:02 +0100 e...@gmx.us: > On 11/19/24 05:19, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Sun Nov 17, 2024 at 7:05 PM GMT, eben wrote: >>> -- >> >> Just to point out that the mail signature separator is '-- ', i.e. with >> a suffixed ' ' character. Without it, Mail User Agent programs may n

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue Nov 19, 2024 at 3:02 PM GMT, eben wrote: > That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k > attachment. This message also has a space. Is that not what you see? I'm afraid not. Looking at your message source, I see Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-19 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:02:59 -0500 e...@gmx.us wrote: Hello e...@gmx.us, >That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k >attachment. This message also has a space. Is that not what you see? I see what Jonathan sees. Your sig separator arrives here as "--". If it leaves

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-19 Thread eben
On 11/19/24 05:19, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hi, On Sun Nov 17, 2024 at 7:05 PM GMT, eben wrote: -- Just to point out that the mail signature separator is '-- ', i.e. with a suffixed ' ' character. Without it, Mail User Agent programs may not recognise your signature as such. That is what I

mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi, On Sun Nov 17, 2024 at 7:05 PM GMT, eben wrote: > -- Just to point out that the mail signature separator is '-- ', i.e. with a suffixed ' ' character. Without it, Mail User Agent programs may not recognise your signature as such. -- Please do not CC me for listmail. 👱🏻 Jonathan Dowla