Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-30 Thread Stefan Monnier
Anssi Saari [2022-12-23 10:37:55] wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: >> I use Debian Testing > Different story then. Breakage is expected in Testing. I haven't experienced particular breakage/problems around drivers for AMD/Intel graphics cards, whereas that's been rather frequent for nVidia. So,

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-23 Thread Anssi Saari
Stefan Monnier writes: > I use Debian Testing Different story then. Breakage is expected in Testing. > so if you mostly reinstall from scratch when an upgrade comes along > you'd likely be fine. I've reinstalled Debian only once when it was time to switch to 64-bit sometime in the decade befo

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-22 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>> I can recommend the laptop as a reasonable candidate for Linux. Apart from >>> the need for proprietary drivers, which is something I blame nVidia for, it >>> seems to work perfectly. >> IME, getting the nVidia driver to work is easy, but keeping the nVidia >> driver working over time across u

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-22 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>> I can recommend the laptop as a reasonable candidate for Linux. Apart from >>> the need for proprietary drivers, which is something I blame nVidia for, it >>> seems to work perfectly. >> IME, getting the nVidia driver to work is easy, but keeping the nVidia >> driver working over time across u

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-21 Thread Anssi Saari
"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: > I'd start from the firmware .iso and an expert text modeinstall and then > uncheck > everything other than standard - so no graphics environment AT ALL - before > rebooting. (You might want to add network manager or similar for nmtui to > configure WiFi). Looks lik

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-21 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 09:39:40AM +, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 18:52:24 +1100 > David wrote: > > Hello David, > > >Hi, I don't know myself what is correct, but I see these related > >statements on the Debian wiki [1]: > > I know the best wisdom suggests an install of stable,

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-21 Thread Anssi Saari
Stefan Monnier writes: >> I can recommend the laptop as a reasonable candidate for Linux. Apart from >> the need for proprietary drivers, which is something I blame nVidia for, it >> seems to work perfectly. > > IME, getting the nVidia driver to work is easy, but keeping the nVidia > driver work

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-21 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 18:52:24 +1100 David wrote: Hello David, >Hi, I don't know myself what is correct, but I see these related >statements on the Debian wiki [1]: Personally, I've never had issues with the testing installer. OTOH, I've only used it three times in the last twenty years. Hardly

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-21 Thread Bret Busby
On 21/12/2022 13:27, Stefan Monnier wrote: I can recommend the laptop as a reasonable candidate for Linux. Apart from the need for proprietary drivers, which is something I blame nVidia for, it seems to work perfectly. IME, getting the nVidia driver to work is easy, but keeping the nVidia driv

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-20 Thread David
On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 at 20:16, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 23:33:19 -0500 Gary Dale wrote: > >you need to start with Debian/Stable then upgrade > > That's not correct. You *can* do it that way, but there are installer > ISOs for testing. Hi, I don't know myself what is correct, but

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-20 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I can recommend the laptop as a reasonable candidate for Linux. Apart from > the need for proprietary drivers, which is something I blame nVidia for, it > seems to work perfectly. IME, getting the nVidia driver to work is easy, but keeping the nVidia driver working over time across upgrades is

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-20 Thread David Christensen
On 12/20/22 17:29, David Christensen wrote: On 12/19/22 20:38, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-18 00:53, David Christensen wrote: On 12/17/22 13:00, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-17 14:39, David Christensen wrote: On 12/17/22 04:44, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-16 21:29, Gary Dale wrote: My laptop

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-20 Thread David Christensen
On 12/19/22 20:38, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-18 00:53, David Christensen wrote: On 12/17/22 13:00, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-17 14:39, David Christensen wrote: On 12/17/22 04:44, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-16 21:29, Gary Dale wrote: My laptop no longer boots thanks to the latest update.

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-20 Thread Gary Dale
On 2022-12-19 23:38, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-18 00:53, David Christensen wrote: On 12/17/22 13:00, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-17 14:39, David Christensen wrote: On 12/17/22 04:44, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-16 21:29, Gary Dale wrote: My laptop no longer boots thanks to the latest updat

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-20 Thread Gary Dale
On 2022-12-20 04:16, Brad Rogers wrote: On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 23:33:19 -0500 Gary Dale wrote: Hello Gary, you need to start with Debian/Stable then upgrade That's not correct. You *can* do it that way, but there are installer ISOs for testing. Not with this laptop. The Debian/Testing install

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-20 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 23:33:19 -0500 Gary Dale wrote: Hello Gary, >you need to start with Debian/Stable then upgrade That's not correct. You *can* do it that way, but there are installer ISOs for testing. -- Regards _ "Valid sig separator is {dash}{dash}{space}" / ) "The

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-19 Thread Gary Dale
On 2022-12-18 00:53, David Christensen wrote: On 12/17/22 13:00, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-17 14:39, David Christensen wrote: On 12/17/22 04:44, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-16 21:29, Gary Dale wrote: My laptop no longer boots thanks to the latest update. If you want a GNU/Linux distributi

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-19 Thread Gary Dale
On 2022-12-17 23:10, Keith Bainbridge wrote: On 17 December 2022 9:00:49 pm UTC, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-17 14:39, David Christensen wrote: On 12/17/22 04:44, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-16 21:29, Gary Dale wrote: My laptop no longer boots thanks to the latest update. It stops after I s

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-17 Thread David Christensen
On 12/17/22 13:00, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-17 14:39, David Christensen wrote: On 12/17/22 04:44, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-16 21:29, Gary Dale wrote: My laptop no longer boots thanks to the latest update. If you want a GNU/Linux distribution that "just works", one possibility is Debia

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-17 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 17 December 2022 9:00:49 pm UTC, Gary Dale wrote: >>On 2022-12-17 14:39, David Christensen wrote: >>> On 12/17/22 04:44, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-16 21:29, Gary Dale wrote: > My laptop no longer boots thanks to the latest update. It stops after I > select a normal boot - it

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-17 Thread Gary Dale
On 2022-12-17 14:58, Charles Curley wrote: On Sat, 17 Dec 2022 11:39:51 -0800 David Christensen wrote: … the practical answer is install and find out. There are other ways besides "install[ing] and find[ing] out". https://linux-hardware.org is a very useful tool. And one should consider contr

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-17 Thread Gary Dale
On 2022-12-17 14:39, David Christensen wrote: On 12/17/22 04:44, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-16 21:29, Gary Dale wrote: My laptop no longer boots thanks to the latest update. It stops after I select a normal boot - it goes to the text mode console and displays an error message about: [ 0.71793

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-17 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, 17 Dec 2022 11:39:51 -0800 David Christensen wrote: > … the practical answer is install and > find out. There are other ways besides "install[ing] and find[ing] out". https://linux-hardware.org is a very useful tool. And one should consider contributing as well. "apt show hwinfo". Anot

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-17 Thread David Christensen
On 12/17/22 04:44, Gary Dale wrote: On 2022-12-16 21:29, Gary Dale wrote: My laptop no longer boots thanks to the latest update. It stops after I select a normal boot - it goes to the text mode console and displays an error message about: [ 0.717939] ACPI BIOS Error (bug). If I go into recove

Re: latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-17 Thread Gary Dale
On 2022-12-16 21:29, Gary Dale wrote: My laptop no longer boots thanks to the latest update. It stops after I select a normal boot - it goes to the text mode console and displays an error message about: [ 0.717939] ACPI BIOS Error (bug). If I go into recovery mode, I don't get that error but t

latest testing update broke my laptop

2022-12-16 Thread Gary Dale
My laptop no longer boots thanks to the latest update. It stops after I select a normal boot - it goes to the text mode console and displays an error message about: [ 0.717939] ACPI BIOS Error (bug). If I go into recovery mode, I don't get that error but then it stops after a message about the