Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-10-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 28 sep 21, 10:28:49, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > On 9/28/21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:00:47AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:41:22AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:47:07PM -0400, Henning Follmann w

Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-09-29 Thread Markus Schönhaber
29.09.21, 08:48 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de: Another often forgotten dimension is perception. Your buggy software might be my sweet spot and vice versa. Bug is, as they say, in the eye of the beholder :) https://xkcd.com/1172/ -- Regards mks

Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-09-28 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 07:52:19PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 28 Sep 2021 at 19:12:27 +0100, Joe wrote: > > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 16:12:21 +0200 > > wrote: > > > [... no software isn't buggy...] > > It's a matter of degree. All software has bugs, even if you haven't > > seen them yet. > > Ne

Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-09-28 Thread Richard Hector
This isn't really a good place to chip in, but the best I can find from the messages I haven't deleted ... On 29/09/21 2:00 am, Henning Follmann wrote: My comment to the OP was basically on the nebulous source (most VPN Providers) and the generalized categorization (N-M is buggy), which I disag

Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-09-28 Thread Joe
On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 19:52:19 +0100 Brian wrote: > On Tue 28 Sep 2021 at 19:12:27 +0100, Joe wrote: > > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 16:12:21 +0200 > > wrote: > > > > >.. > > > > > > But this wasn't my point. My point was rather that it is going out > > > on a thin limb to say a complex piece of so

Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-09-28 Thread Brian
On Tue 28 Sep 2021 at 19:12:27 +0100, Joe wrote: > On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 16:12:21 +0200 > wrote: > > >.. > > > > But this wasn't my point. My point was rather that it is going out > > on a thin limb to say a complex piece of software isn't "buggy". > > > It's a matter of degree. All software has

Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-09-28 Thread Joe
On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 16:12:21 +0200 wrote: >.. > > But this wasn't my point. My point was rather that it is going out > on a thin limb to say a complex piece of software isn't "buggy". > It's a matter of degree. All software has bugs, even if you haven't seen them yet. But only some software ca

Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-09-28 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 10:28:49AM -0400, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: [...] > What fried my brain last night was on trying to remember if nm had > been too "complicated" and thus not user-friendly for *me*. I still > see other people rave about it. That's cool. Definitely. > At the end of the day,

Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-09-28 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
On 9/28/21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:00:47AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:41:22AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:47:07PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: >> > >> > [...] >> > >> > > And N-M is not "buggy". [.

Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-09-28 Thread Henning Follmann
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 08:14:40AM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 8:01 AM Henning Follmann > wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:41:22AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:47:07PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > >

Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-09-28 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:00:47AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:41:22AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:47:07PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > And N-M is not "buggy". [...] > > > > Uh-huh. > > What a great argu

Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-09-28 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 8:01 AM Henning Follmann wrote: > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:41:22AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:47:07PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > And N-M is not "buggy". [...] > > > > Uh-huh. > > > > What a great argument! > >

buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

2021-09-28 Thread Henning Follmann
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:41:22AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:47:07PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > [...] > > > And N-M is not "buggy". [...] > > Uh-huh. > What a great argument! But I play along. Are there bugs filed against N-M? Yes there are! Are there

Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer

2021-09-28 Thread Anssi Saari
Joe writes: > There was an early period when N-M was known as 'Notwork Manager', but > that was long ago. How long? I'm just reminded setting up EAP-TLS authentication for wlan in NetworkManager, Ubuntu 18.04. It took some work, I think I found some instructions that didn't make much sense (just

Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer

2021-09-28 Thread Joe
On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:47:07 -0400 Henning Follmann wrote: > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 09:01:32PM +0200, Stella Ashburne wrote: > > Hello Henning, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > [...] > > > > nmcli is from the package network-manager, yes? If it is, I'd > > prefer not to install it. Why?

Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer

2021-09-28 Thread tomas
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:47:07PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: [...] > And N-M is not "buggy". [...] Uh-huh. Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer

2021-09-27 Thread Henning Follmann
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 09:01:32PM +0200, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Hello Henning, > > Thanks for your reply. > [...] > > nmcli is from the package network-manager, yes? If it is, I'd prefer not to > install it. Why? Many VPN providers/vendors recommend against using Network > Manager to connec

Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer

2021-09-27 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi David, It's reassuring to know that you're still around and thanks for replying to my original post. > > And also any output from: > > # dmesg | grep iwl > username@hostname:~$ sudo dmesg|grep iwl [sudo] password for username: [9.169801] iwlwifi :07:00.0: enabling device ( -> 000

Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer

2021-09-27 Thread Stella Ashburne
> > This one looks like it might be your friend. AFAIK the firmware for that > is in the firmware-iwlwifi package. > > What does `lsmod | grep iwl' say? username@hostname:~$ lsmod|grep iwl iwlwifi 294912 0 cfg80211 970752 1 iwlwifi username@hostname:~$ But you are r

Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer

2021-09-27 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hello Henning, Thanks for your reply. > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 1:09 AM > From: "Henning Follmann" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop > computer > > And after that de

Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer

2021-09-27 Thread Henning Follmann
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:30:06AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 27 Sep 2021 at 16:52:03 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:43:44PM +0200, Stella Ashburne wrote: > > > I have a dual-boot OS configuration on my HDD: Debian 11 and Microsoft > > > Windows 10. > > >

Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer

2021-09-27 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 Sep 2021 at 16:52:03 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:43:44PM +0200, Stella Ashburne wrote: > > I have a dual-boot OS configuration on my HDD: Debian 11 and Microsoft > > Windows 10. > > > > My CPU belongs to Intel 4th generation (Haswell) and I even install

Re: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer

2021-09-27 Thread tomas
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:43:44PM +0200, Stella Ashburne wrote: > I have a dual-boot OS configuration on my HDD: Debian 11 and Microsoft > Windows 10. > > My CPU belongs to Intel 4th generation (Haswell) and I even installed > packages such as firmware-misc-nonfree firmware-iwlwifi firmware-rea

Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop computer

2021-09-27 Thread Stella Ashburne
I have a dual-boot OS configuration on my HDD: Debian 11 and Microsoft Windows 10. My CPU belongs to Intel 4th generation (Haswell) and I even installed packages such as firmware-misc-nonfree firmware-iwlwifi firmware-realtek Microsoft Windows 10 is able to detect and makes use of the wireless

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