Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-21 Thread Merciadri Luca
Stefan's suggestion is interesting, but I know pretty much nothing about the Law: I am doing (CS) engineering studies! Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21 at 15:04, Stefan Monnier penned: > > > Except that most technical people would probably rather hammer a nail > through their forehead

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-21 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On Wed, Apr 21 at 15:04, Stefan Monnier penned: > > Now think about the other route: the one based on the law instead of > technology: the legal document can simply describe what she's > allowed to do, and that will automatically cover all imaginable ways > to circumvent any technological means yo

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-21 Thread Stefan Monnier
> My reason is quite complicated, and is really justified. Briefly, one > person that I know needs to have some report I wrote, but this person > should not be able neither to print it nor to extract content from it, > for a simple reason: this person could transmit a part (or the whole) > [of the]

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-21 Thread Merciadri Luca
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Merciadri Luca wrote: > > Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > >> Just use a grey-by-dotting watermark for black text, merge the layers > >> and it will > >> be rather difficult to remove the watermark. > > I did not merge the layers before sending it to them. Problematic? > >

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-21 Thread Merciadri Luca
Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > Merciadri Luca wrote: > > > > You might use a password if you wanted to provide complete access for > some people and no access for others. For someone who has the password, > there is no real protection. I sent some financial documents to a loan > officer once as a pa

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-21 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Merciadri Luca wrote: > Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> Just use a grey-by-dotting watermark for black text, merge the layers >> and it will >> be rather difficult to remove the watermark. > I did not merge the layers before sending it to them. Problemat

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
Merciadri Luca wrote: > Jay Berkenbilt wrote: >> Merciadri Luca wrote: >> >> >> >> The PDF specification itself recommends using external encryption in >> this case. From section 7.6.1 of the PDF specification: >> >> NOTE: Conforming writers have two choices if the encryption methods >> and

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Merciadri Luca
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2010-04-20 14:34, Merciadri Luca wrote: > [snip] > > > > Yup. It regularly bites government agencies who faultily redact FOIA > documents. > Okay. -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ I use PGP. If there is an incompatibility problem w

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2010-04-20 14:34, Merciadri Luca wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: [snip] Just use a grey-by-dotting watermark for black text, merge the layers and it will be rather difficult to remove the watermark. > I did not merge the layers before sending it to them. Problematic? Yup. It regularl

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Merciadri Luca
Xavier Vello wrote: > Le Tuesday 20 April 2010 01:33:37, Russ Allbery a écrit : > > > There's a configuration option in KPDF (and okular, its KDE4 version) saying > "obey DRM limitations" (unchecked by default). You can activate it, and a > tool > li

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Merciadri Luca
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Merciadri Luca wrote: > > Gunnar Wolf wrote: > >> Merciadri Luca dijo [Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 02:00:13PM +0200]: > >> > >> > >> Yet, you say in your previous reply they would be able to remove the > >> watermark from the document. That is clearly more complicated. > >>

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Merciadri Luca wrote: > Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> Merciadri Luca dijo [Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 02:00:13PM +0200]: >> >> >> Yet, you say in your previous reply they would be able to remove the >> watermark from the document. That is clearly more complicated

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Merciadri Luca
Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Merciadri Luca dijo [Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 02:00:13PM +0200]: > > > Yet, you say in your previous reply they would be able to remove the > watermark from the document. That is clearly more complicated. > Sure, but I think that PDFs are composed `in layers,' aren't they? If

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Merciadri Luca
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2010-04-20 06:58, Merciadri Luca wrote: > [snip] > > In that case, he should be using Acroread, which means you have little > to fear. > > > > > Seems pretty typical to me... It might be pretty typical, but when considered at another scale than `my scale' (i.e. the compariso

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Merciadri Luca dijo [Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 02:00:13PM +0200]: > > As you quote, others have told you the PDF-provided security is > > fake. It is just a flag flipped to tell the reader program to pretty > > please make life miserable for the user. > > > Yes, but it is often sufficient to prevent

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2010-04-20 06:58, Merciadri Luca wrote: [snip] So, you need to ask yourself: (a) Does this "colleague" run Linux? Nice question. He does not. In that case, he should be using Acroread, which means you have little to fear. (b) If so, will he read it with Acroread? / (c) Will he be be m

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Merciadri Luca
Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > On Tuesday 20 April 2010 12:16:26 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > In my opinion, the more safety checks there are, the more stupid the users > become. > Without safety they have to be awake and careful to what they are doing. > Objectively and theoretically, yes. But, t

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Merciadri Luca
godo wrote: > > > They can but if you make lousy quality .jpg maybe they can't. > Try <70 dpi and not use some ordinary font. If they print they get > messy text hard for scanning. But if I had tried such a quality, they would not have been able to read it! But nice proposition. > But whatever you

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 02:27:39PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > > Merciadri Luca wrote: > > > Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > > >> Why would an > > >> honest soul ever allow information to be read, but not printed? > > >> > > > To maintain honesty? An honest soul (i.e

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread godo
With such files (.jpg ones) they can print it directly, can't they? They can but if you make lousy quality .jpg maybe they can't. Try <70 dpi and not use some ordinary font. If they print they get messy text hard for scanning. But whatever you do they can always sent .pdf to somebody and if

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Merciadri Luca
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Merciadri Luca wrote: > > Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > >> Why would an > >> honest soul ever allow information to be read, but not printed? > >> > > To maintain honesty? An honest soul (i.e. me, here) has to send some > > data to some dishonest person. > > The proble

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Merciadri Luca
Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > Merciadri Luca wrote: > > > > The PDF specification itself recommends using external encryption in > this case. From section 7.6.1 of the PDF specification: > > NOTE: Conforming writers have two choices if the encryption methods > and syntax provided by PDF are not

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Merciadri Luca
Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Russ Allbery dijo [Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 02:14:21PM -0700]: > > > The reasons not to want a document printed are quite easy to > understand, but the mechanism is flawed. / > Given the setting you > mention, you can just slap a red banner stating "Confidential, do not > print"

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Merciadri Luca
Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Merciadri Luca dijo [Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 05:32:51PM +0200]: > > > Thing is, PDF is a printing-oriented format. It is a close descendent > of PostScript, a full-fledged programming language, but geared towards > printers. The main point that makes PDF a more convenient forma

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Merciadri Luca
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2010-04-19 16:17, Merciadri Luca wrote: > > The "problem" is that Windows is a jailed, restricted, dumbed-down > environment "operated" by so many clueless users. > > It's almost certain that there is the occasional Windows user (and > with a user base approaching 10^9, "occ

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:17:12PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > Russ Allbery wrote: Ummm, unless I'm missing something I don't see *any* post by Russ in this thread. Ahh! I see from your original post you *also* posted to debian-devel. Normally, the only reason to cross-post is for announceme

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Chris Davies
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Even with acroread it is possible to print screenshots of the documents. > Might be a pain to reconstruct a multipage document, but not impossible. Been there, done that. An absolute pain. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with

[OT] Enforcing policies (was: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?)

2010-04-20 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:56:05 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > Camaleón writes: > >> IANAL, but you can always take the "legal" path and require that the >> person you are giving the documents first signs a contract to prevent >> sharing, extracting or printing data. I know this can sound a bit >> s

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Merciadri Luca wrote: > John Hasler wrote: >> What do you mean by "real protection"? If they possess a copy that they >> can read they can print it. It should be obvious that there is nothing >> you can do to stop them. >> > Not so obvious, simply

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Merciadri Luca wrote: > Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> Why would an >> honest soul ever allow information to be read, but not printed? >> > To maintain honesty? An honest soul (i.e. me, here) has to send some > data to some dishonest person. The pro

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
Merciadri Luca wrote: > Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: >> Pdf "anti-features" are fake security. Don't trust on them, never. > And what do you suggest if one wants some real protection _and_ the > benefits of a format like PDF? Thanks. The PDF specification itself recommends using external encryption in

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Merciadri Luca dijo [Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 05:32:51PM +0200]: > > Pdf "anti-features" are fake security. Don't trust on them, never. > And what do you suggest if one wants some real protection _and_ the > benefits of a format like PDF? Thanks. Thing is, PDF is a printing-oriented format. It is a cl

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2010-04-19 16:17, Merciadri Luca wrote: Russ Allbery wrote: I think people are not understanding why users use this feature in some environments. / Yes, sometimes it's a misguided attempt at DRM, but I've more often seen it inside a workplace as defense in depth against *mistakes*. One

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
Russ Allbery wrote: > > I think people are not understanding why users use this feature in some > environments. > / > Yes, sometimes it's a misguided attempt at DRM, but I've more often seen > it inside a workplace as defense in depth against *mistakes*. One might, > for instance, mark a docume

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Camaleón writes: > On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:47:02 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > >> Vincent Danjean wrote: > > (...) > >>> So, what would be the use case to allow a someone to read the >>> information but not print it ? In any case, printing it would b

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
I Rattan wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, Merciadri Luca wrote: > > Life is simpler than that: > >pdf ->postscript ->print > > So, do not make the report available!! I had thought about it, but the guy won't think about it, fortunately. But you're right. There are many ways for this. Thanks.

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread I Rattan
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, Merciadri Luca wrote: Vincent Danjean wrote: My reason is quite complicated, and is really justified. Briefly, one person that I know needs to have some report I wrote, but this person should not be able neither to print it nor to extract content from it, for a simple reas

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:47:02 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > Vincent Danjean wrote: (...) >> So, what would be the use case to allow a someone to read the >> information but not print it ? In any case, printing it would be more >> or less convenient but it will always be possible if it is display

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Merciadri Luca wrote: > > > The real protection would be not to send that information. I was not able to do it, because of `human' and organizational reasons. I had no choice! > Why would an > honest soul ever allow information to be read, but not printed? > To ma

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
John Hasler wrote: > Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: > > > Merciadri Luca writes: > > > What do you mean by "real protection"? If they possess a copy that they > can read they can print it. It should be obvious that there is nothing > you can do to stop them. > Not so obvious, simply because if t

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
Elias Gabriel Amaral da Silva wrote: > 2010/4/19 Merciadri Luca : > > > > Or paper and pencil. > That needs some determination. > I know that for some cases this 'restriction through inconvenience' is > sufficient in practice, but this should not be achievable with free > software, even if le

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
James Zuelow wrote: > > > > > That's not a technical problem, it's a management problem. > I totally agree. > If you can't trust this person to not forward information when he shouldn't, > then they should not be involved. > _should_. But I am not the person who decides. I am not neit

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Merciadri Luca wrote: > Mikhail Gusarov wrote: >> Twas brillig at 17:32:51 19.04.2010 UTC+02 when >> luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be did gyre and gimble: >> >> >> Pdf "anti-features" are fake security. Don't trust on them, never. >> ML> And what do you suggest if one wants some real protection _

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread John Hasler
Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: > Pdf "anti-features" are fake security. Don't trust on them, never. Merciadri Luca writes: > And what do you suggest if one wants some real protection _and_ the > benefits of a format like PDF? Thanks. What do you mean by "real protection"? If they possess a copy that the

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Elias Gabriel Amaral da Silva
2010/4/19 Merciadri Luca : > I know that it is _always_ possible (with some determination) to extract > content, by some way, of a PDF (even if screenshots were to never work, > you can still use a camera). Principally, the most important aspects of Or paper and pencil. > such security features

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > In article <4bcc77a3.9080...@student.ulg.ac.be> you wrote: > > > It is simply not possible to publish something and protect it. The best > protection in that case is reputation. > Please read my other message, which explains the situation I am/was facing. On the mere

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 15:52 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > > > At least Evince can be convinced to provide this "feature", if you > toggle /apps/evince/override_restrictions > > No problem. Thanks. -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merci

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
n. > And it only hinders legitimate user of your content, those who wish to follow > these restrictions. / > From my recollection, KPDF has an option to 'enable' the > compliance with the 'do not print' feature. But it is not enabled by default. > And I cons

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
Vincent Danjean wrote: > On 19/04/2010 17:32, Merciadri Luca wrote: > > > If you have free software (ie software you have the sources and are able > to recompile) and if you can get the information on the screen, then it is > only a matter of programmation to be able to have it on printer. So, >

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Kevin Mark
e of circumventing DRM, so it is not an issue of 'if' they will break DRM but when. And it only hinders legitimate user of your content, those who wish to follow these restrictions. From my recollection, KPDF has an option to 'enable' the compliance with the 'do

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
;> file's content. However, KPDF accepts printing it, and extracting >> content from it, etc., even if these actions are unauthorized with >> acroread. Is it normal? > > Yes. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format#Secu

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
Mikhail Gusarov wrote: > Twas brillig at 17:32:51 19.04.2010 UTC+02 when > luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be did gyre and gimble: > > >> Pdf "anti-features" are fake security. Don't trust on them, never. > ML> And what do you suggest if one wants some real protection _and_ the > ML> benefits of a

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 17:32:51 19.04.2010 UTC+02 when luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be did gyre and gimble: >> Pdf "anti-features" are fake security. Don't trust on them, never. ML> And what do you suggest if one wants some real protection _and_ the ML> benefits of a format like PDF? Thanks. There

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: > Pdf "anti-features" are fake security. Don't trust on them, never. And what do you suggest if one wants some real protection _and_ the benefits of a format like PDF? Thanks. -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ I use PGP. If there is a

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:31:30 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > I have written a PDF that I have blocked for printing, etc. Acrobat > Reader won't print it, because of the restrictions defined on the PDF > file's content. However, KPDF accepts printing it, and extracting > conte

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Merciadri Luca schreef: Neil Williams wrote: On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:31:30 +0200 Merciadri Luca wrote: Anti-features like locking and password protection are not supported and, if implemented, could make the free software tools appear non-free by restricting the functionality available to

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
I Rattan wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, Merciadri Luca wrote: > > yes. Thanks. I assume that this is for the same reason as Mr. Williams pointed out. Are _all_ the free PDF viewers running under Debian in accordance with this principle? -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.a

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
Neil Williams wrote: > On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:31:30 +0200 > Merciadri Luca wrote: > > > > Anti-features like locking and password protection are not supported > and, if implemented, could make the free software tools appear non-free > by restricting the functionality available to the user. In t

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread I Rattan
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, Merciadri Luca wrote: Hi, I have written a PDF that I have blocked for printing, etc. Acrobat Reader won't print it, because of the restrictions defined on the PDF file's content. However, KPDF accepts printing it, and extracting content from it, etc., eve

PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Merciadri Luca
Hi, I have written a PDF that I have blocked for printing, etc. Acrobat Reader won't print it, because of the restrictions defined on the PDF file's content. However, KPDF accepts printing it, and extracting content from it, etc., even if these actions are unauthorized with acroread. Is

Re: Either - or kpdf or xpdf print with cups...........

2009-08-26 Thread Charlie
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:48:30 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West shared this with us all: >On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:33:50PM +1000, Charlie wrote: >> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:21:38 +0200 Sjoerd Hardeman >> shared this with us all: >> >> >Charlie schreef: > >> >> How do I configure xpdf to print with cup

Re: Either - or kpdf or xpdf print with cups...........

2009-08-26 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:33:50PM +1000, Charlie wrote: >> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:21:38 +0200 Sjoerd Hardeman >> shared this with us all: >> >>> Charlie schreef: > How do I configure xpdf to print with cups? >>> T

Re: Either - or kpdf or xpdf print with cups...........

2009-08-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:33:50PM +1000, Charlie wrote: > On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:21:38 +0200 Sjoerd Hardeman > shared this with us all: > > >Charlie schreef: > >> How do I configure xpdf to print with cups? > >That should just work. Is cups installed correctly? What does > > lpstat -a > >give

Re: Either - or kpdf or xpdf print with cups...........

2009-08-26 Thread Charlie
Have been googling without much success: >>>> >>>> Trying to find the KDE package that contains kpdf - says it's >>>> kdegraphics, but it doesn't show up when installed >>> Do you use squeeze or sid? In KDE4 kpdf has been replaced with >&g

Re: Either - or kpdf or xpdf print with cups...........

2009-08-26 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Charlie wrote: > Have been googling without much success: 'apt-cache search', 'aptitude search' or 'apt-file search' are probably better choices for this questions at debian machines. > Trying to find the KDE pa

Re: Either - or kpdf or xpdf print with cups...........

2009-08-26 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Charlie schreef: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:21:38 +0200 Sjoerd Hardeman shared this with us all: Charlie schreef: Hello all, Have been googling without much success: Trying to find the KDE package that contains kpdf - says it's kdegraphics, but it doesn't show up when installed

Re: Either - or kpdf or xpdf print with cups...........

2009-08-26 Thread Charlie
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:21:38 +0200 Sjoerd Hardeman shared this with us all: >Do you use squeeze or sid? In KDE4 kpdf has been replaced with okular Thank you Sjoerd, okular I have. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 . Gain

Re: Either - or kpdf or xpdf print with cups...........

2009-08-26 Thread Charlie
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:21:38 +0200 Sjoerd Hardeman shared this with us all: >Charlie schreef: >> Hello all, >> >> Have been googling without much success: >> >> Trying to find the KDE package that contains kpdf - says it's >> kdegraphics, but i

Re: Either - or kpdf or xpdf print with cups...........

2009-08-26 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Charlie schreef: Hello all, Have been googling without much success: Trying to find the KDE package that contains kpdf - says it's kdegraphics, but it doesn't show up when installed Do you use squeeze or sid? In KDE4 kpdf has been replaced with okular or How do I configure xpd

Either - or kpdf or xpdf print with cups...........

2009-08-26 Thread Charlie
Hello all, Have been googling without much success: Trying to find the KDE package that contains kpdf - says it's kdegraphics, but it doesn't show up when installed or How do I configure xpdf to print with cups? Either will get me out of immediate trouble. TIA Charlie -- Regist

Lenny kpdf much slower than on etch

2009-05-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
Hello all, I'm finding that kpdf is much slower on Lenny than on Etch. When I load a new doc, it takes forever to generate the first page (and the thumbnails). Is there some setting I can change somewhere? This is on my dual-P-II-450. It takes 100% of a CPU for about 10 seconds before

Re: kpdf disable font smoothing

2008-11-28 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 06:48:50AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi > > Is it possible to disable font smoothing/antialias in Kpdf? How? I do not use kpdf but ... Did you try to configure fontconfig XML with local preference? What is your ~/.fonts.conf. http://fontconfig

kpdf disable font smoothing

2008-11-25 Thread JoseC . Rodriguez
Hi Is it possible to disable font smoothing/antialias in Kpdf? How? Thanks Jose -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Can print from KPDF but not Acrobat

2008-02-12 Thread Alan Ianson
>> >> Hi all, > >> >> > >> >> I don't seem to have set up printing correctly...I am running a > >> >> testing system and can print fine from KPDF but attempting to print > >> >> from Acrobat returns the error mes

Re: Can print from KPDF but not Acrobat

2008-02-12 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
ly...I am running a >> >> testing system and can print fine from KPDF but attempting to print >> >> from Acrobat returns the error message: >> >> "The print process returns an error. Please check if the printer is >> >> connected to the machine"

Re: Can print from KPDF but not Acrobat

2008-02-11 Thread Alan Ianson
On Mon February 11 2008 01:34:09 pm Peter Robinson wrote: > Alan Ianson wrote: > > On Sun February 10 2008 08:27:11 am Peter Robinson wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I don't seem to have set up printing correctly...I am running a testing > >> sys

Re: Can print from KPDF but not Acrobat

2008-02-11 Thread Peter Robinson
Alan Ianson wrote: On Sun February 10 2008 08:27:11 am Peter Robinson wrote: Hi all, I don't seem to have set up printing correctly...I am running a testing system and can print fine from KPDF but attempting to print from Acrobat returns the error message: "The print process

Re: Can print from KPDF but not Acrobat

2008-02-10 Thread Alan Ianson
On Sun February 10 2008 08:27:11 am Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't seem to have set up printing correctly...I am running a testing > system and can print fine from KPDF but attempting to print from Acrobat > returns the error message: > "The print proc

Can print from KPDF but not Acrobat

2008-02-10 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi all, I don't seem to have set up printing correctly...I am running a testing system and can print fine from KPDF but attempting to print from Acrobat returns the error message: "The print process returns an error. Please check if the printer is connected to the machine" (

Re: printing from kpdf does not work

2007-08-26 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
ay "CUPS (Common > UNIX Print System)". > Yes! I am using cups with KDE. > > LogLevel debug > > in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, restart cupsys and try to print from kpdf > again. Hopefully something turns up in /var/log/cups/error_log. It would > also be interesti

Re: printing from kpdf does not work

2007-08-24 Thread Florian Kulzer
nt system currently used" combobox. It should say "CUPS (Common UNIX Print System)". It looks like your CUPS is working. You could nevertheless check if you can print a test page via the http://localhost:631/printers/ frontend of CUPS. (I expect that you can, given that the cupsys-bsd

Re: printing from kpdf does not work

2007-08-23 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Florian Kulzer wrote: > Are you using the lpr command from the "cupsys-bsd", the "lpr" or the > "lprng" package? Do you use CUPS with KDE? > $dpkg -S /usr/bin/lpr cupsys-bsd: /usr/bin/lpr $dpkg -l \*print cups\* | grep ^ii ii cups-pdf 2.4.2-3 PDF printer for CUPS i

Re: printing from kpdf does not work

2007-08-23 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 11:54:55 -0700, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > Hi all > > If I am printing from command line using > > lpr -P printername file.pdf > > then I am able to print file.pdf. However if I am printing from kpdf using > > File -> Print >

printing from kpdf does not work

2007-08-22 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
Hi all If I am printing from command line using lpr -P printername file.pdf then I am able to print file.pdf. However if I am printing from kpdf using File -> Print it does not work. There are no error messages either. What could be the reason? How can I debug this problem? The prin

kpdf find backwards is not clickable

2006-08-10 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
While reading a pdf file with kpdf, I am not able to search backwards. When I do Edit -> Find, then only the "Case sensitive" option is clickable. Rest of the options are greyed out. Is this a bug or is there any work around? $ kpdf --version Qt: 3.3.6 KDE: 3.5.4 KPDF: 0.5.3 packa

set background of kpdf to black

2006-03-23 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
In acroread full screen view (ctrl-L), the background is set to black. However when I use kpdf in full screen view (ctrl-shift-f), the background is not set to black and is somewhat bluish. How can I get acroread's behaviour in kpdf as well? Using KDE 3.5.1, Debian unstable. thanks

Outdated Sarge kpdf

2006-02-20 Thread Elmer E. Dow
I'm running Sarge and discovering that often kpdf either crashes or fails to display pdf files properly. For example, attempting to view IRS forms displays the forms in 11x14 format instead of 8.5x11. I booted WinXp and used Acrobat Reader 5.0 there and it tells me that I should upgrade

Re: kPDF

2005-08-06 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Thanks for that source, put it in, ran apt-get update and then apt-get sintall >acroread when it was done I sintaleld the suggested acroread-plugins as well. >opened up each file continuously of TUX, with out it crashing. It'

Re: kPDF

2005-08-04 Thread Bill Day
: > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > > > There is certainly no Acrobat Reader: it isn't even free enough for > > non-free. There are xpdf and kpdf packages. > > Well, you can still get the unofficial Debian Acrobat Reader package, from > e

Re: kPDF

2005-08-03 Thread Sebastian Luque
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > There is certainly no Acrobat Reader: it isn't even free enough for > non-free. There are xpdf and kpdf packages. Well, you can still get the unofficial Debian Acrobat Reader package, from e.g. Christian Marillat's repo

Re: kPDF

2005-08-03 Thread John Hasler
Bill Day writes: > I take it there is not a prepackaged setup on debian.org for use with > apt-get? searched for acrobat reader and adobe on apt-cache after I did > and update... There is certainly no Acrobat Reader: it isn't even free enough for non-free. There are xpdf and

Re: kPDF

2005-08-03 Thread Pollywog
On 08/04/2005 01:37 am, Pollywog wrote: > On 08/04/2005 12:28 am, Bill Day wrote: > > I take it there is not a prepackaged setup on debian.org for use with > > apt-get? searched for acrobat reader and adobe on apt-cache after I did > > and update... > > That is correct, there is not a prepackaged o

Re: kPDF

2005-08-03 Thread Pollywog
On 08/04/2005 12:28 am, Bill Day wrote: > I take it there is not a prepackaged setup on debian.org for use with > apt-get? searched for acrobat reader and adobe on apt-cache after I did and > update... > That is correct, there is not a prepackaged one for Debian. There is a prepackaged one for X

Re: kPDF

2005-08-03 Thread Bill Day
ading the "TuxMagazine" PDFS for the first 5 > > issues and I ahve noticed taht while in kPDF, when I finish with one pdf > > and go to open anotehr via file open, or clicking the open icon, kPDF > > crashes, everytime.. enclosed is copy of the backtrace fromt he crash, >

Re: kPDF

2005-08-03 Thread Pollywog
On 08/03/2005 11:47 pm, Bill Day wrote: > Finally got around to reading the "TuxMagazine" PDFS for the first 5 issues > and I ahve noticed taht while in kPDF, when I finish with one pdf and go to > open anotehr via file open, or clicking the open icon, kPDF crashes, > everyti

kPDF

2005-08-03 Thread Bill Day
Finally got around to reading the "TuxMagazine" PDFS for the first 5 issues and I ahve noticed taht while in kPDF, when I finish with one pdf and go to open anotehr via file open, or clicking the open icon, kPDF crashes, everytime.. enclosed is copy of the backtrace fromt he crash,