Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-24 Thread W Klink
I use the powstatd package with my APC BackUPS 500. The real advantage that it offers is that you can run "powstatd -t" and see what signals the UPS sends. It's also a good idea when testing the UPS to *not* plug the computer into the UPS. Instead, just plug in a lamp into the UPS. Another adva

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-24 Thread Glenn English
2 or 3 years ago I struggled long and hard with an APC UPS on a Linux system. I finally gave up in disgust and replaced it. > I have some more info, and it's pretty weird. APC says, and my > experience seems to confirm it, that you need a different serial cable > for Unixy systems than Windows.

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-24 Thread Mike Dresser
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Nathan E Norman wrote: > If I had one of those SNMP modules here I'd whip together a script, > but my APC is directly attached using a serial cable. > > Regards, Ours is double connected, now that I think of it. AS/400 on the serial side, and the SNMP board handles the rest

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-24 Thread Wilhelm Klink
I use the powstatd package with by APC BackUPS 500. The real advantage that it offers is that you can run "powstatd -t" and see what signals the UPS sends. It's also a good idea when testing the UPS to *not* plug the computer into the UPS. Instead, just plug in a lamp into the UPS. Another adv

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-23 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 05:02:55PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote: > I have some more info, and it's pretty weird. APC says, and my > experience seems to confirm it, that you need a different serial cable > for Unixy systems than Windows. And if you want to dual boot, well, > that's just too bad. > >

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-23 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 06:17:42AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > > Grab the MIB and roll your own tool using, for example, perl + > > Net:SNMP > > > > I have the MIB somewhere (or know someone who does :-) if you need it. > > Now that's even harder t

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-23 Thread nate
Ross Boylan said: > I have some more info, and it's pretty weird. APC says, and my > experience seems to confirm it, that you need a different serial cable for > Unixy systems than Windows. And if you want to dual boot, well, that's > just too bad. I remember a similar problem on a BackUPS pro I

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-23 Thread Ross Boylan
I have some more info, and it's pretty weird. APC says, and my experience seems to confirm it, that you need a different serial cable for Unixy systems than Windows. And if you want to dual boot, well, that's just too bad. Unix, they say, is putting a voltage on a pin that the UPS detects and ta

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-23 Thread Jeffrey L. Taylor
Quoting Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [snip] > Messages only go from the UPS to the computer... but the UPS clearly > receives something FROM the computer, which affects its LED... and > you're supposed to use XON/XOFF ("software") flow control. > > My guess is that the UPS is using the hardware flo

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-23 Thread Pigeon
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 06:08:59PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote: > I disconnected the serial cable from the UPS to the PC, and apt-get > remove apcupsd. Now when I pull the UPS plug from the wall the > computer keeps going. Progress, though of course it no longer has a > way of knowing the power has

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-23 Thread Glenn English
Take a look at http://www.tripplite.com/ I'm using a couple of theirs, and they work 'real good.' I had the same problem with APC: plug in the serial cable, and the power goes off. The tripplites don't do that, but their monitoring software is a bit of a resource hog. -- Glenn English [EMAIL PRO

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-23 Thread Mike Dresser
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, nate wrote: > I had a couple APC units with the SNMP cards, used APC Network shutdown > on the systems, worked pretty well. only downside was tryin to get > java workin on some of the more obscure platforms(AIX 4.3, Solaris 2.5-2.6, > Tru64). On debian and redhat it was a snap

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-23 Thread Mike Dresser
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Nathan E Norman wrote: > Grab the MIB and roll your own tool using, for example, perl + > Net:SNMP > > I have the MIB somewhere (or know someone who does :-) if you need it. Now that's even harder than putting up with their crappy software! I used snmpwalk once to grab the i

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-22 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 09:37:12PM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, nate wrote: > > > Have you tried APC's powerchute? I'm not sure about their recent versions > > but have read one or 2 complaints in the past that they don't work on > > Debian. I keep an older version around whic

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-22 Thread Jeffrey L. Taylor
I am seeing something similar (but no LSR safety check message) sometimes on my SuSE 7.1 system. Sometimes it does a system shutdown 5 seconds after the power fail. Other times it works fine. I had been attributing it to my abusing the UPS by holding the off switch down to keep the TV powered up

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-22 Thread nate
Mike Dresser said: > Last I checked, nut and apcupsd didn't support talking to it via network, > so I'm stuck with using powerchute. I had a couple APC units with the SNMP cards, used APC Network shutdown on the systems, worked pretty well. only downside was tryin to get java workin on some of t

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-22 Thread Mike Dresser
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Ross Boylan wrote: > Thanks for the other tips. APC currently says Debian is not one of > their (semi)supported systems. And neither is Windows 95/98. :) I tried to get APC to fix their security holes in PowerChute Plus, they denied there was a problem. As well, the softwa

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-22 Thread Mike Dresser
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, nate wrote: > Have you tried APC's powerchute? I'm not sure about their recent versions > but have read one or 2 complaints in the past that they don't work on > Debian. I keep an older version around which works fine on debian 2.2 > and 3.0 just incase I need to test. I put i

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-22 Thread Ross Boylan
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 05:22:51PM -0800, nate wrote: > Ross Boylan said: > > My UPS, an APC BackUPS 650, seems ineffective under Linux. Originally I > > thought this was because it could not cope with the load, but it works OK > > under MS-Windows. > > > > That is, when I pull the cord from the w

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-22 Thread Ross Boylan
I disconnected the serial cable from the UPS to the PC, and apt-get remove apcupsd. Now when I pull the UPS plug from the wall the computer keeps going. Progress, though of course it no longer has a way of knowing the power has failed. When the system was on with the cable connected the green LE

Re: hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-22 Thread nate
Ross Boylan said: > My UPS, an APC BackUPS 650, seems ineffective under Linux. Originally I > thought this was because it could not cope with the load, but it works OK > under MS-Windows. > > That is, when I pull the cord from the wall under Windows I get an alert > the UPS is on battery. When I

hard crash despite UPS

2003-01-22 Thread Ross Boylan
My UPS, an APC BackUPS 650, seems ineffective under Linux. Originally I thought this was because it could not cope with the load, but it works OK under MS-Windows. That is, when I pull the cord from the wall under Windows I get an alert the UPS is on battery. When I do the same under Linux, the