On Thursday, June 09, 2022 02:13:31 AM mick crane wrote:
> I finally had to set up an app password for mail to work.
> During the process of discovering what to click on there was the
> statement.
> "Google will never use the content of your emails in order to select
> what ads you are shown."
> or
On 2022-06-09 03:09, DdB wrote:
The Big Tech companies are busy to de-anonymise the internet in order
to
augment their knowledge/income even more, and in order to do that, it
would be very convenient, if every user was forced to authenticate
themself undoubtedly. But let's not talk about that.
Am 09.06.2022 um 01:54 schrieb rhkra...@gmail.com:
>> if we leave aside for a moment incriminations of corporate power and
>> plots, is there some reason to connect the two methods?
> No -- from a purely logical point of view (afaics) there is no reason to
> connect them -- Google apparently has s
On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 05:58:44 PM Felmon Davis wrote:
> I don't understand the *logical* connection. logically you can have
> app-specific pw's without 2-step auth. (not sure about the other way
> around.)
Google requires 2-step authorization as a prerequisite to application specific
passwo
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, Kamil Jońca wrote:
rhkra...@gmail.com writes:
On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 12:18:58 PM Curt wrote:
On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis wrote:
that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what
is the connection between:
(1) 2-step auth
(2) app-specific pw
Wi
rhkra...@gmail.com writes:
> On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 12:18:58 PM Curt wrote:
>> On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis wrote:
>> > that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what
>> > is the connection between:
>> >
>> > (1) 2-step auth
>> > (2) app-specific pw
>>
>> Without (1)
On 2022-06-08, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 12:18:58 PM Curt wrote:
>> On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis wrote:
>> > that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what
>> > is the connection between:
>> >
>> > (1) 2-step auth
>> > (2) app-specific pw
>>
>
On Wednesday, June 08, 2022 12:18:58 PM Curt wrote:
> On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis wrote:
> > that's the thing: I don't understand how the parts fit together; what
> > is the connection between:
> >
> > (1) 2-step auth
> > (2) app-specific pw
>
> Without (1) turned on, you cannot create (2).
But
On 2022-06-08, Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:38:42 PM Felmon Davis wrote:
>>> be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into
>>> effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password".
>>>
>>> I'
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:38:42 PM Felmon Davis wrote:
be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into
effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password".
I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification
On Tuesday, June 07, 2022 09:38:42 PM Felmon Davis wrote:
> be it a/b testing or b/s testing, the change seems to have gone into
> effect and I can only use Alpine by acquiring an "app-password".
>
> I'm wondering if I can turn off 2-step authentification now.
I'm curious about the same thing --
On Wed, Jun 08, 2022 at 03:38:42AM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
> > > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
[...]
I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the app-specific
setting.
They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 20:08:37 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> Please don't feed the troll.
No worry John,
I have the tools prepared.
Most secure laptop in the world. The writer of my BIOS is a coreboot forker. He
soldered the CMOS by hand.
Capitalists can't even break in my BIOS to stop me.
They ca
On Saturday, 4 June 2022 20:40:34 EDT Larry Martell wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net
wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > The reason:
> >
> > I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society.
> >
> > This mailing list as example for how I learned. Thanks!
> >
> > Things go faster and
https://www.kaiostech.com/developers/
let firefox win the browserwar
help the third world before they get captured by american capitalism
we have the tools
Arne
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:50:02 -0500
Larry Martell wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 7:44 PM sp...@caiway.net wrote:
> >
> > NO!
> >
>
Please don't feed the troll.
--
John Hasler
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 7:44 PM sp...@caiway.net wrote:
>
> NO!
>
> Some people like to work for a boss and follow orders from imbiciles.
You sound like an imbecile to me.
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:40:34 -0500
> Larry Martell wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net wrote:
>
NO!
Some people like to work for a boss and follow orders from imbiciles.
Arne
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:40:34 -0500
Larry Martell wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The reason:
> >
> > I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society.
> >
> > This
On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM sp...@caiway.net wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The reason:
>
> I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society.
>
> This mailing list as example for how I learned. Thanks!
>
> Things go faster and better.
>
>
> All those commercial ones only have one goal: make more profit.
>
>
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 17:07:32 -0400
Edwin Zimmerman wrote:
>
> > There will be always volunteers for learning/perfectioning a mailserver.
> >
> > Donations for the best mailserver in the world for example.
> As a sysadmin of a mailserver, I can tell you this would never be able to
> compete on up
Hi,
The reason:
I am promoting a free volunteer-run run society.
This mailing list as example for how I learned. Thanks!
Things go faster and better.
All those commercial ones only have one goal: make more profit.
Led by stupid managers with only $ $ eyes giving orders to developers.
Thank
> There will be always volunteers for learning/perfectioning a mailserver.
>
> Donations for the best mailserver in the world for example.
As a sysadmin of a mailserver, I can tell you this would never be able to
compete on uptime, security, and features of gmail.
On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 10:02:05PM +0200, sp...@caiway.net wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My first mail provider (in Oslo) promised free mailadress for life.
>
> Then it was sold to a kapitalist and they started to ask money.
>
> I do not like that.
>
> I know it is possible to run a free host.
>
> By volun
On 6/4/22 4:02 PM, sp...@caiway.net wrote:
Hi,
My first mail provider (in Oslo) promised free mailadress for life.
Then it was sold to a kapitalist and they started to ask money.
I do not like that.
I know it is possible to run a free host.
By volunteers running the server for example.
Why
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 15:34:19 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> sp...@caiway.net writes:
> > I know it is possible to run a free host.
> > By volunteers running the server for example.
>
> There are expenses. Who pays them?
There will be always volunteers for learning/perfectioning a mailserver.
Don
sp...@caiway.net writes:
> I know it is possible to run a free host.
> By volunteers running the server for example.
There are expenses. Who pays them?
--
John Hasler
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA
Hi,
My first mail provider (in Oslo) promised free mailadress for life.
Then it was sold to a kapitalist and they started to ask money.
I do not like that.
I know it is possible to run a free host.
By volunteers running the server for example.
Arne
On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:00:27 -0500
John
On 06/04/2022 01:50 PM, sp...@caiway.net wrote:
*SNIP*
So I am also in the search for a good free provider.
FREE COSTS *TOO MUCH*
If you think Google et al are charities
I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.
Arne writes:
> So I am also in the search for a good free provider.
Why does it need to be free?
--
John Hasler
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA
Hi,
IMO I would search for another mail account.
I use google mail only for sites where i expect SPAM.
Last time I checked google mail is some 3 years ago.
So I tried my provider's mail account.
There it is not possible to send to protonmail.
It has also no working web interface.
So I am al
On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
[...]
> I misspoke or miswrote: I have Alpine running but *without* the app-specific
> setting.
>
> > They're messing with your brain. I'd leave the sinking ship.
> >
>
> I'm glad to hav
On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 04:39:39PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
[...]
> the furniture, Gentlemen, mind the furniture!
That one's good :-)
Thanks for a hearty laugh!
Cheers
--
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On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 03:45:00PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
I do think Google et al. sometimes make pronouncements and then don't get
off their ass ('arse' if you prefer) - that how committees work with (or
against) other committees.
I think th
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 02:24:16PM -, Curt wrote:
On 2022-06-04, wrote:
Bullshit.
Famous last word.
I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your
dime-a-dozen opinions.
This might be due to your short-sightedn
On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 02:24:16PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-06-04, wrote:
> >
> >> >
>
> >> Bullshit.
> >
> > Famous last word.
> >
>
> I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your
> dime-a-dozen opinions.
This might be due to your short-sightedness. Or not.
Cheers
On 2022-06-04, wrote:
>
>> >
>> Bullshit.
>
> Famous last word.
>
I've already determined that your principles go no deeper than your
dime-a-dozen opinions.
On 2022-06-04, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
>>Bullshit.
>>
> Well!
>
> What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently
> put explanation.
>
> I'm convinced.
>
That's what's missing from *your* affirmation and the very reason it is
pure bullshit.
On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 03:45:00PM +0200, Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 - (UTC)
> > Curt wrote:
> >
> > Hello Curt,
> >
> > > Bullshit.
> > >
> > Well!
> >
> > What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloqu
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
Hello Curt,
Bullshit.
Well!
What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently
put explanation.
I'm convinced.
not his usual stylistic savoir-faire but who cares? we'll soon
On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:50:55 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
Hello Curt,
>Bullshit.
>
Well!
What a witty, erudite, cogent, well reasoned, rational and eloquently
put explanation.
I'm convinced.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
/ _)rad "
On Sat, Jun 04, 2022 at 11:50:55AM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-06-02, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >
> > Expect access from anything other than google's own web interface to go
> > away at some point in the future.
> >
>
> Bullshit.
Famous last word.
--
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On 2022-06-02, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
> Expect access from anything other than google's own web interface to go
> away at some point in the future.
>
Bullshit.
On Thursday, June 02, 2022 01:59:45 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> I then entered that in place of the old passwords in kmail. (I don't think
> it stated it -- I wasn't sure whether to enter the spaces as part of the
> password or not -- I did, and that worked.)
An update -- that was on an old (t
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 20:33:54 +0200 (CEST)
Felmon Davis wrote:
Hello Felmon,
>guess Google's still trying to figure out which 3rd-party clients they
>dislike.
All of them.
Expect access from anything other than google's own web interface to go
away at some point in the future.
--
Regards _
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 13:59:45 -0400
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
My gmail (normally delivered by pop3 to my old version of kmail (on
Wheezy) stopped working around 8:30 am this morning.
I set up an application specific password this morning, and t
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 13:59:45 -0400
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:13:14 AM nemo wrote:
> > Me too except today it doesn't seem to be working. must test but I
> > think I've been shut out, using Alpine with non-secure apps
> > switched on. fjd
>
> My gmail (normally deliv
On Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:13:14 AM nemo wrote:
> Me too except today it doesn't seem to be working. must test but I think
> I've been shut out, using Alpine with non-secure apps switched on.
> fjd
My gmail (normally delivered by pop3 to my old version of kmail (on Wheezy)
stopped working arou
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:24 PM mick crane wrote:
> On 2022-06-01 18:04, Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 12 May 2022 at 10:08:01 -, Virgo Pärna wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 11 May 2022 20:09:14 +0200, Fero Dali
> >> wrote:
> >> > Sorry for misunderstanding: it seems that my account will continue to
> wor
On 2022-06-01 18:04, Brian wrote:
On Thu 12 May 2022 at 10:08:01 -, Virgo Pärna wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2022 20:09:14 +0200, Fero Dali
wrote:
> Sorry for misunderstanding: it seems that my account will continue to work but
> ability to download mail with POP3 without OAUTH2 will be unavaila
On Wed 01 Jun 2022 at 10:44:17 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:04:02 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> > On Thu 12 May 2022 at 10:08:01 -, Virgo Pärna wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 11 May 2022 20:09:14 +0200, Fero Dali
> > > wrote:
> > > > Sorry for misunderstanding: it seems that
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:04:02 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Thu 12 May 2022 at 10:08:01 -, Virgo Pärna wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 11 May 2022 20:09:14 +0200, Fero Dali
> > wrote:
> > > Sorry for misunderstanding: it seems that my account will
> > > continue to work but ability to download mail with POP
On Thu 12 May 2022 at 10:08:01 -, Virgo Pärna wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2022 20:09:14 +0200, Fero Dali wrote:
> > Sorry for misunderstanding: it seems that my account will continue to work
> > but
> > ability to download mail with POP3 without OAUTH2 will be unavailable.
> >
>
> Actuall
On Mon 16 May 2022 at 14:31:50 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> On Sun 15 May 2022 at 22:39:14 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > On Sat 14 May 2022 at 14:02:36 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > > On Sat 14 May 2022 at 12:02:49 -, Curt wrote:
> > > > On 2022-05-14, wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:58:37
On Sun 15 May 2022 at 22:39:14 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Sat 14 May 2022 at 14:02:36 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 14 May 2022 at 12:02:49 -, Curt wrote:
> > > On 2022-05-14, wrote:
> > > > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:58:37AM -, Curt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > >> W
On Sat, 14 May 2022 07:25:36 +0200
wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 03:05:11PM +1200, Ash Joubert wrote:
> > On 14/05/2022 00:42, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > > A loong password is not "equivalent" to 2FA, that's right. Good
>
On Sat, 14 May 2022 15:05:11 +1200
Ash Joubert wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 00:42, Michael Stone wrote:
> > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >> A loong password is not "equivalent" to 2FA, that's right. Good
> >> password management (of which length is but a part) is
On 2022-05-16, wrote:
> Just in case, let me stated that I never implied that 2FA doesn't do
> any good. It /is/ a mitigation indeed. But for me, the bang it brings
> isn't worth the buck it costs. Simply that.
>
But you did imply it. To the question of data breaches and sites storing
your pass
Excuse me, Fero Dali, how is your post/question relevant to this mailing list?
On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 07:59:38AM -, Curt wrote:
[...]
> B. purports breaches are outside user control but then with alacrity
> asserts that the user should guard against them.
>
> 2FA is a mitigating factor in this real-world case (and they are
> *legion*). No rational argument has been p
On 2022-05-16, David Wright wrote:
>>
>> Preventing data breaches are outside the scope of the user, providing
>> a high entropy password is not. If accessing a site is of importance
>> to him, then, in your plausible scenario, an eight character password
>> effectively gives little security.
>>
On Sat 14 May 2022 at 14:02:36 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> On Sat 14 May 2022 at 12:02:49 -, Curt wrote:
> > On 2022-05-14, wrote:
> > > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:58:37AM -, Curt wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > >> What about data breaches, and sites keeping your password
> > >> in plain te
On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 07:58:25AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
[...]
> So are we tolerating the vegetables, Tomas, but not too well.
> Politicians and diapers need frequent changing, usually for the same
> reason.
I was rather thinking in terms "we vegetables are well tolerated" ;-)
Cheers
--
On Sunday, 15 May 2022 00:36:41 EDT to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:27:46PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > The scene is Margaret Thatcher in a restaurant with her Cabinet.
> >
> > Waitor: What do you want, madam?
> > Margaret: Lamb staeks.
> > Waitor: What about t
On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:27:46PM +0100, Brian wrote:
[...]
> The scene is Margaret Thatcher in a restaurant with her Cabinet.
>
> Waitor: What do you want, madam?
> Margaret: Lamb staeks.
> Waitor: What about the vegetables?
> Margaret: They will have the same as me.
:-)
> Satire is
On Saturday, 14 May 2022 14:43:08 EDT Brian wrote:
> On Sat 14 May 2022 at 15:21:06 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 12:42:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> [...]
>
> > > Let me introduce you to my bank: they reduced the maximum 20 chars
> > > to 16 and did not allow some specia
On Sat 14 May 2022 at 20:51:14 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 07:43:08PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 14 May 2022 at 15:21:06 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> [FIVE blades!1!!]
>
> > I have just realised that PayPal does 5FA. It meets the Gillete
> > standard. Or sh
On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 07:43:08PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 14 May 2022 at 15:21:06 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
[FIVE blades!1!!]
> I have just realised that PayPal does 5FA. It meets the Gillete
> standard. Or should that be the MAD standard? Our capacity to
> put up with sysadmin (manage
On Sat 14 May 2022 at 15:21:06 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 12:42:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
[...]
> > Let me introduce you to my bank: they reduced the maximum 20 chars
> > to 16 and did not allow some special chars such as "!" and ".".
> > Mind you, I feel much more s
On Sat 14 May 2022 at 15:21:06 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 12:42:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 14 May 2022 at 07:23:47 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
[...]
> > > [strong, unique, random]
> > >
> > > That's it. The unique part can't be stressed enough: if your
On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 12:42:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 14 May 2022 at 07:23:47 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 02:40:53PM +1200, Ash Joubert wrote:
> > > On 13/05/2022 12:23, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > > > That's the value added in exchange for Ash's "massiv
On Sat 14 May 2022 at 12:02:49 -, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-05-14, wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:58:37AM -, Curt wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> What about data breaches, and sites keeping your password
> >> in plain text (though it seems access to the cryptographically hashed
> >>
On 2022-05-14, wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:58:37AM -, Curt wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> What about data breaches, and sites keeping your password
>> in plain text (though it seems access to the cryptographically hashed
>> passcodes is already a pretty good leg up)? What good is our entropy
On Sat 14 May 2022 at 08:58:37 -, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-05-14, Ash Joubert wrote:
> > On 13/05/2022 12:23, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> >> That's the value added in exchange for Ash's "massive pain in the arse".
> >> Just making the 1st factor be
> >> a loong password is not equivalent to 2FA i
On Sat 14 May 2022 at 07:23:47 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 02:40:53PM +1200, Ash Joubert wrote:
> > On 13/05/2022 12:23, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > > That's the value added in exchange for Ash's "massive pain in the arse".
> > > Just making the 1st factor be
> > > a
On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 11:21:39AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:58:37AM -, Curt wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > What about data breaches [...]
> As stated elsewhere: unique passwords [...]
Or, if I may put it in another terms: Recycle your trash. Never
recycle your pas
On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 08:58:37AM -, Curt wrote:
[...]
> What about data breaches, and sites keeping your password
> in plain text (though it seems access to the cryptographically hashed
> passcodes is already a pretty good leg up)? What good is our entropy then?
As stated elsewhere: unique
On 2022-05-14, Ash Joubert wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 12:23, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>> That's the value added in exchange for Ash's "massive pain in the arse".
>> Just making the 1st factor be
>> a loong password is not equivalent to 2FA in any way. Machine reaching back
>> to you is the difference.
On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 03:05:11PM +1200, Ash Joubert wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 00:42, Michael Stone wrote:
> > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > A loong password is not "equivalent" to 2FA, that's right. Good
> > > password management (of which length is but a pa
On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 02:40:53PM +1200, Ash Joubert wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 12:23, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > That's the value added in exchange for Ash's "massive pain in the arse".
> > Just making the 1st factor be
> > a loong password is not equivalent to 2FA in any way. Machine reaching back
On 14/05/2022 00:42, Michael Stone wrote:
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
A loong password is not "equivalent" to 2FA, that's right. Good
password management (of which length is but a part) is as secure
as 2FA.
No, it really isn't.
A good password will not p
On 13/05/2022 12:23, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
That's the value added in exchange for Ash's "massive pain in the arse".
Just making the 1st factor be
a loong password is not equivalent to 2FA in any way. Machine reaching back
to you is the difference.
There are attacks that 2FA can defeat, espec
On Sat, 14 May 2022 at 04:40, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 13 May 2022 at 20:01:20 +0200, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> > Brian writes:
> > > On Fri 13 May 2022 at 08:42:21 -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > >> On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > >> > A loong password is not "equi
Brian writes:
[...]
> When was the last time you experienced that or heard of a well-documented
> case of it happening?
I do not know what you mean "well documented"
https://haveibeenpwned.com/ is enough?
> I do not even know what my passwords are.
Does not matter. I also know very few my pass
On Fri 13 May 2022 at 20:01:20 +0200, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> Brian writes:
>
> > On Fri 13 May 2022 at 08:42:21 -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >> > A loong password is not "equivalent" to 2FA, that's right. Good
> >> > passw
Brian writes:
> On Fri 13 May 2022 at 08:42:21 -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> > A loong password is not "equivalent" to 2FA, that's right. Good
>> > password management (of which length is but a part) is as secure
>> > as 2FA.
On Fri 13 May 2022 at 08:42:21 -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > A loong password is not "equivalent" to 2FA, that's right. Good
> > password management (of which length is but a part) is as secure
> > as 2FA.
>
> No, it really isn
On Fri 13 May 2022 at 14:02:40 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 11:44:52AM -, Curt wrote:
> > On 2022-05-13, wrote:
> > >
> > >> > It's just the basic antipattern you can see everywhere in surveillance
> >
> > >> You seem to be seeing these antipatterns at the drop
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 07:16:11AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
A loong password is not "equivalent" to 2FA, that's right. Good
password management (of which length is but a part) is as secure
as 2FA.
No, it really isn't.
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 11:44:52AM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-05-13, wrote:
> >
> >> > It's just the basic antipattern you can see everywhere in surveillance
>
> >> You seem to be seeing these antipatterns at the drop of any hat.
> >
> > Uh -- whatever you mean to say with that.
>
> I meant t
On 2022-05-13, wrote:
>
>> > It's just the basic antipattern you can see everywhere in surveillance
>> You seem to be seeing these antipatterns at the drop of any hat.
>
> Uh -- whatever you mean to say with that.
I meant that you applied (or employed) the term quite recently in a
completely un
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 09:36:13AM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2022-05-13, wrote:
> >
> > It's just the basic antipattern you can see everywhere in surveillance
>
> You seem to be seeing these antipatterns at the drop of any hat.
Uh -- whatever you mean to say with that.
[...]
> I guess the devil
On 2022-05-13, wrote:
>
> It's just the basic antipattern you can see everywhere in surveillance
You seem to be seeing these antipatterns at the drop of any hat.
But I read recently about a brand new password antipattern (whatever those are).
The only thing is, I don't really understand what th
Virgo Pärna writes:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 20:59:16 +0200, Fero Dali wrote:
>> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 8:08 PM Virgo Pärna wrote:
>>>
>>> Tried rechecking all mails, but did not find that mail. TOTP
>>> based twofactor can be used even without phone app.
>>
>> I made a mistake and replie
I am suffering from Googles changes too.
Thunderbird, which i am using a very old version of that is still able
to run enigmail for PGP encryption, does not yet support OAuth2. And the
more recent release has nothing comparable to enigmail, its support for
encryption lacks about everything, i need,
On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 07:23:31PM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 6:06 PM Ash Joubert wrote:
> ...trimmed...
>
>
> > Two-factor authentication is when you need to confirm your login with an
> > SMS message or one-time pad or other second way of authenticating that
> >
On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 6:06 PM Ash Joubert wrote:
...trimmed...
> Two-factor authentication is when you need to confirm your login with an
> SMS message or one-time pad or other second way of authenticating that
> you are who you claim to be. 2FA is popular because users choose weak
> passwords
Le 13/05/2022 à 01:06, Ash Joubert a écrit :
On 13/05/2022 01:23, Fero Dali wrote:
BTW as far as I understand OAUTH2 and two factor authentication
are the same thing. I might be wrong though.
They are not. OAuth2 is a delegated access framework: with OAuth2 for
Gmail, you use your Google pass
On 13/05/2022 01:23, Fero Dali wrote:
BTW as far as I understand OAUTH2 and two factor authentication
are the same thing. I might be wrong though.
They are not. OAuth2 is a delegated access framework: with OAuth2 for
Gmail, you use your Google password once to authorise Google to give
your em
On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 8:08 PM Virgo Pärna wrote:
>
> Tried rechecking all mails, but did not find that mail. TOTP
> based twofactor can be used even without phone app.
I made a mistake and replied privately to mick crane and he was very
kind and repost that mail to the list:
https://lis
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