Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-10-04 Thread cga2000
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:45:32AM EDT, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > cga2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 06:36:46PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > On 09/28/07 17:21, Manu Hack wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > > > >

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-10-04 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
cga2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 06:36:46PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 09/28/07 17:21, Manu Hack wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > Yeah, will do if I have the time. But at the moment I'm very > > > happy with x

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-10-03 Thread cga2000
On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 06:36:46PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 09/28/07 17:21, Manu Hack wrote: > [snip] > > > > Yeah, will do if I have the time. But at the moment I'm very happy > > with xfce4.4 (fast and with the real transparency stuff). :

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread didier gaumet
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:59:56 -0500, Preston Boyington wrote: [...] > and fyi, i use debian with fluxbox on my P133, 16mb, compaq laptop. :D Hello Preston, what version of debian are you talking about? On a P133, 32MB, Dell Laptop it seemed to me that the last Debian version usable (speed...) was

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread Vivek.M
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Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread Amit Uttamchandani
> I found that the litest is icewm. Works great on my P-II-133 with 64 MB > ram and on my 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram. The 486 wouldn't run Etch so > it runs great with OpenBSD. Woody also runs great on it. Iceweasel > takes a long time to render. > > Doug. Try DWM. Much lighter than icewm. Als

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread Vivek.M
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Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread didier gaumet
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:59:56 -0500, Preston Boyington wrote: [...] > and fyi, i use debian with fluxbox on my P133, 16mb, compaq laptop. :D Hello Preston, what version of debian are you talking about? On a P133, 32MB, Dell Laptop it seemed to me that the last Debian version usable (speed...) was

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread s. keeling
Pál Csányi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What about stumpwm? > > http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/ > > Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch? You could (aptitude search): p stumpwm - a Common Lisp window manager and no I never have. -- Any technology distinguishable fro

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 01:50:35PM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > On 9/27/07, Manu Hack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I have a general question which I got when trying out different > > windows managers/desktop environments. When I try to use windowmaker > > (I wanted to make my computer fast

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread didier gaumet
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:59:56 -0500, Preston Boyington wrote: [...] > and fyi, i use debian with fluxbox on my P133, 16mb, compaq laptop. :D Hello Preston, what version of debian are you talking about? On a P133, 32MB, Dell Laptop it seemed to me that the last Debian version usable (speed...) was

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread Vivek.M
A properly configured olvwm WM. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread s. keeling
Pál Csányi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What about stumpwm? > > http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/ > > Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch? You could (aptitude search): p stumpwm - a Common Lisp window manager and no I never have. -- Any technology distinguishable fro

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread cothrige
"Pál Csányi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Have you read /usr/share/doc/stumpwm/README.Debian [3]? It contains > information about how to start StumpWM. I tried this too, and I think it takes a great deal for granted. There is just too much assumed about what you know for this stuff to work, IM

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread Pál Csányi
2007/9/29, cothrige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Pál Csányi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The debian stumpwm package dependency are: sbcl cl-clx-sbcl. > > Yeah, and I actually met those, and it may have "worked" except I could > never get it started as I just didn't know how. It may be because I am

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread cothrige
"Pál Csányi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello Patrick! Howdy, > No, I have not set it up. :( > Thank you for help! :) Glad to be able to do so. > The debian stumpwm package dependency are: sbcl cl-clx-sbcl. Yeah, and I actually met those, and it may have "worked" except I could never get

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread Amit Uttamchandani
> > Where can I pass the -fn argument to xterm to set up font size, using dwm? Edit your config.h file. There are mod keys defined for specific programs. Edit the arguments there. -- Amit Uttamchandani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "uns

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread Pál Csányi
Hello Patrick! 2007/9/29, cothrige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Pál Csányi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > What about stumpwm? > > > > http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/ > > > > Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch? > > Yes, I have it installed using etch, and like it very much. Though it >

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread cothrige
"Pál Csányi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What about stumpwm? > > http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/ > > Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch? Yes, I have it installed using etch, and like it very much. Though it was kind of hard to get going. You may have already set it up, but just in

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-29 Thread s. keeling
Pál Csányi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What about stumpwm? > > http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/ > > Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch? You could (aptitude search): p stumpwm - a Common Lisp window manager and no I never have. -- Any technology distinguishable fro

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread Pál Csányi
What about stumpwm? http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/ Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch? -- Regards, Paul Csanyi http://www.freewebs.com/csanyi-pal/index.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 01:32:43PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > Hmm. That seems like it'd be a pain with xterms, since text software often > doesn't take well to having its window resized. I try to keep my xterms as > close to 80x24 as possible to minimize problems with things like aptitude.

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread Manu Hack
On 9/28/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 09/28/07 17:21, Manu Hack wrote: > [snip] > > > > Yeah, will do if I have the time. But at the moment I'm very happy > > with xfce4.4 (fast and with the real transparency stuff). :) > > What

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 06:21:31PM -0400, Manu Hack wrote: > On 9/27/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > its probably got more to do with memory *use* than management. By that > > I mean, you may end up wasting memory by using kde apps within a > > different wm. The kde app

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/28/07 17:21, Manu Hack wrote: [snip] > > Yeah, will do if I have the time. But at the moment I'm very happy > with xfce4.4 (fast and with the real transparency stuff). :) What's the benefit of transparency? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread Manu Hack
On 9/27/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 04:41:12PM -0400, Manu Hack wrote: > > On 9/27/07, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Am Donnerstag, 27. September 2007 21:02 schrieb Manu Hack: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I have a general question which

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 01:32:43PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: > > On Sep 27, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: >>So, for example, if I'm >>working in an x-term and I want another one, when it opens, the >>first one gets resized to half the screen and the new one gets the

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread Neil Watson
On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 10:43:38PM +0200, Pál Csányi wrote: Where can I pass the -fn argument to xterm to set up font size, using dwm? You can assign you xterm properties in .Xdefaults: # fonts xterm*faceName: Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:style=Bold xterm*faceSize: 12 # other options xterm*geom

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread Pál Csányi
2007/9/28, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Sep 27, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: >So, for example, if I'm >working in an x-term and I want another one, when it opens, the >first one gets resized to half the screen and the new one gets the >other half. O

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 27, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: So, for example, if I'm working in an x-term and I want another one, when it opens, the first one gets resized to half the screen and the new one gets the other half. Open another, and they each get squeezed into 1/3, etc.

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 08:19:28PM -0700, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: > > > > thanks. I've become sort of a wmii zealot in the last little > > while. It's been fun. hope I didn't steal your thunder. :) > > Lol no not at all. You should give DWM a try. I think there are improvements > over wmii. Al

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread Preston Boyington
didier gaumet wrote: > On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:59:56 -0500, Preston Boyington wrote: > > [...] >> and fyi, i use debian with fluxbox on my P133, 16mb, compaq laptop. :D > > Hello Preston, > > what version of debian are you talking about? On a P133, 32MB, Dell Laptop > it seemed to me that the las

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-28 Thread didier gaumet
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:59:56 -0500, Preston Boyington wrote: [...] > and fyi, i use debian with fluxbox on my P133, 16mb, compaq laptop. :D Hello Preston, what version of debian are you talking about? On a P133, 32MB, Dell Laptop it seemed to me that the last Debian version usable (speed...) was

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Vivek.M
A properly configured olvwm WM. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Amit Uttamchandani
> > thanks. I've become sort of a wmii zealot in the last little > while. It's been fun. hope I didn't steal your thunder. :) Lol no not at all. You should give DWM a try. I think there are improvements over wmii. Also, there is a new fork from dwm called 'awesome' (yeah i know, apparently the

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 07:33:06PM -0700, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: > I couldn't have explained it any better. I guess if I get asked, I will > simply forward your explanation to them ;). thanks. I've become sort of a wmii zealot in the last little while. It's been fun. hope I didn't steal your t

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Amit Uttamchandani
I couldn't have explained it any better. I guess if I get asked, I will simply forward your explanation to them ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Mumia W..
On 09/27/2007 03:41 PM, Manu Hack wrote: I agree. :) But I'm still confused as to why KDE can outperform (at least up to my experience) a supposedly light weight wm (maybe windowmaker is not lightweight enough, will try fluxbox later) on the same machine. Is that because of something like memor

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 07:25:48PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 09/27/07 18:58, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: > >> I have to say, the screenshot has me intrigued. It's got a > >> pleasingly geeky sort of retro text GUI look, like something > >> Xerox PARC might have come up with in the 1970s. ;) >

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Amit Uttamchandani
> > With other WMs, you're not focused on the app and task? > Its hard for me to explain. I suggest you try it out. Of course, this is just my opinion and experiences. Just a suggestion. -- Amit Uttamchandani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/07 18:58, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: >> I have to say, the screenshot has me intrigued. It's got a >> pleasingly geeky sort of retro text GUI look, like something >> Xerox PARC might have come up with in the 1970s. ;) >> > > It is very effi

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Amit Uttamchandani
> I have to say, the screenshot has me intrigued. It's got a > pleasingly geeky sort of retro text GUI look, like something Xerox > PARC might have come up with in the 1970s. ;) > It is very efficient. Especially tiling modes. I can't use any other Windowmanager now. I just can't. With DWM,

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 04:41:12PM -0400, Manu Hack wrote: > On 9/27/07, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 27. September 2007 21:02 schrieb Manu Hack: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have a general question which I got when trying out different > > > windows managers/desktop environmen

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Preston Boyington
Javier Vasquez wrote: > > Don't know about windowMaker, but you might try: > > fluxbox > icewm > pekwm > fvwm2 > > You might find some pretty light, and some besides offering lots of > fun and good looking features... I use fluxbox and a machine with > 512M main, and 64M ati-rage is performing

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/07 16:30, David Brodbeck wrote: > > On Sep 27, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: > >> I understand your frustration. >> >> I have an old powerbook laptop (Speed: 500MHz, RAM: 512MB). Mac OS X, >> GNOME, and KDE hogged to much reso

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 27, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: I understand your frustration. I have an old powerbook laptop (Speed: 500MHz, RAM: 512MB). Mac OS X, GNOME, and KDE hogged to much resources. So I started from scratch and installed a base install of Debian. I then installed just th

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Amit Uttamchandani
I understand your frustration. I have an old powerbook laptop (Speed: 500MHz, RAM: 512MB). Mac OS X, GNOME, and KDE hogged to much resources. So I started from scratch and installed a base install of Debian. I then installed just the necessary packages and I am using a very very lightweight win

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Manu Hack
On 9/27/07, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 27. September 2007 21:02 schrieb Manu Hack: > > Hi all, > > > > I have a general question which I got when trying out different > > windows managers/desktop environments. When I try to use windowmaker > > (I wanted to make my computer fa

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread cothrige
"Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Don't know about windowMaker, but you might try: > > fluxbox > icewm > pekwm > fvwm2 > > You might find some pretty light, and some besides offering lots of > fun and good looking features... I use fluxbox and a machine with > 512M main, and 64M at

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Javier Vasquez
On 9/27/07, Manu Hack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a general question which I got when trying out different > windows managers/desktop environments. When I try to use windowmaker > (I wanted to make my computer faster as it's getting old), it > certainly is fast for initializati

Re: efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Andy
Am Donnerstag, 27. September 2007 21:02 schrieb Manu Hack: > Hi all, > > I have a general question which I got when trying out different > windows managers/desktop environments. When I try to use windowmaker > (I wanted to make my computer faster as it's getting old), it > certainly is fast for in

efficiency of windows managers

2007-09-27 Thread Manu Hack
Hi all, I have a general question which I got when trying out different windows managers/desktop environments. When I try to use windowmaker (I wanted to make my computer faster as it's getting old), it certainly is fast for initialization. But after that when around 10-15 windows are opened and