On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 04:29, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 07:49:39PM +0800, Stephan Broennimann wrote:
> > I can't find the package deity anymore? Does it no more exist?
>
> It was far too buggy and wasn't getting fixed, so it was removed.
> Consider u
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 07:49:39PM +0800, Stephan Broennimann wrote:
> I can't find the package deity anymore? Does it no more exist?
It was far too buggy and wasn't getting fixed, so it was removed.
Consider using apt
I can't find the package deity anymore? Does it no more exist?
regards, Stephan
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:53:51 -0800
Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since you recommended it, I installed and took a look at stormpkg. My
> first impression is that it doesn't give me as much information as
> dselect, and makes it harder to get at. For one thing, I have several
> Python p
Phillip Deackes wrote:
> I strongly recommend the Storm Package Manager (stormpkg) currently in
> testing and unstable. No other GUI interface to apt-get comes close.
> Stormpkg makes it easy whether you want to do a full upgrade or install
> just one package, or look at what you have on your syst
On Thursday 08 November 2001 00:31, Brian Nelson wrote:
> Jesse Goerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I had been using this method for about a year before I even
> > learned of apt-cache search, et all.
> >
> > If you install a program and it's missing a feature, check for
> > suggests and recommen
Jesse Goerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I learned on dselect and used it for 2 months or so because I
> didn't even know there was a thing called apt-get. I have long
> forgotten how to use dselect :). Use apt-get, to find out more
> information on a package, like what is suggested and reco
On Wednesday 07 November 2001 14:10, David Z Maze wrote:
> ol1 writes:
> ol1> Also sprach Preben Randhol:
> PR> Which installer should I recommend to a beginner of
> Debian (and Linux?). PR>
> PR> I remember I saw somewhere on the web an article that
> covered a lot of PR> debian installers, bu
On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:33:24 +0100
Johnny Ernst Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I only know two installers (apt-get and dselect), and have only seen
> other peoples comments on the other two (aptitude and deity).
>
> The sad truth is that currently there is _no_ insta
* Johnny Ernst Nielsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> > PR> Which installer should I recommend to a beginner of Debian
> > (and Linux?). PR>
...
> Both aptitude and deity have had the majority's verdict "thumbs down"
> at their current state.
for stable,
> I'd recommend learning to use dselect (it isn't actually as bad as
> people make it out to be).
This is the old "war" again. Different people like different
installers.
I only know two installers (apt-get and dselect), and have only seen
other peoples co
ol1 writes:
ol1> Also sprach Preben Randhol:
PR> Which installer should I recommend to a beginner of Debian (and Linux?).
PR>
PR> I remember I saw somewhere on the web an article that covered a lot of
PR> debian installers, but I cannot seem to find it.
ol1>
ol1> apt-get
ol1> all the gui stu
apt-get
all the gui stuff is just confusing.
Also sprach Preben Randhol:
> Hi
>
> Which installer should I recommend to a beginner of Debian (and Linux?).
>
> I remember I saw somewhere on the web an article that covered a lot of
> debian installers, but I cannot seem to find it.
>
> Thanks in ad
Hi
Which installer should I recommend to a beginner of Debian (and Linux?).
I remember I saw somewhere on the web an article that covered a lot of
debian installers, but I cannot seem to find it.
Thanks in advance.
Preben
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> > Deity is the package to look out for. Capt has been obsoleted
> Not on woody, as the original poster pointed out.
> Apt-cache search deity on woody shows no package available as
> of the update 2 minutes ago.
I just figured out that deity and console-apt are both in unsta
Where do I get a hold of "user manuals" for these packages? If
formal manual information is on the web, I didn't locate it.
Thanks for the pointer(s).
I'll be using the packages not only to install Linux but also
to implement a product installation within our product (for use
by the customer for
On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, Chris R. Martin wrote:
> Forgive me, I've been out of the Debian world for a while. I'm having
> trouble figuring out the relationship between apt, dpkg, dselect, and
> "deity" (which seems to be something in development). I know what dselect
I also forgot to mention that there's currently quite a bit of work
going on to get Debian more user friendly at installation-time. One of
the big initiatives is "debconf" which allows packages to have a common
front-end to ask the user questions about their configuration settings
during package i
on it's usefulness. Apt
appears to have somewhat superceded it (or perhaps it's officially
superceded it, I don't know...).
Deity I have no information on, as I haven't tried it.
Console-Apt is also available "capt" which looks to be an alternative to
dselect.
Forgive me, I've been out of the Debian world for a while. I'm having
trouble figuring out the relationship between apt, dpkg, dselect, and
"deity" (which seems to be something in development). I know what dselect
and dpkg are; dselect acts as a frontend (or used to) for dpk
Hi,
>>"Peter" == Peter Paluch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Peter> Could one of you kindly explain me about what is deity and
Peter> what is apt?
APT is the new name for deity, since Deity could offend people
(don't ask), and people couldn't spell
Hello friends,
==
it seems that I missed a lot about the new package manager under Debian
(please don't beat me ;-). Could one of you kindly explain me about what is
deity and what is apt? Also, I've installed apt, but I doesn't look like
frontend to dpkg... it seem
On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Vincent Murphy wrote:
> I am interested in finding out about apt and deity. I would appreciate if
> someone would inform me of a website or somewhere where I can get
> introductory information.
map apt-get, man sources.list, less /usr/doc/apt/guide.text.gz
>
I am interested in finding out about apt and deity. I would appreciate if
someone would inform me of a website or somewhere where I can get
introductory information.
Specifically, i was wondering ring whether it would be possible for me to
install packages using http, thru a http proxy. I am
I've an interesting question or three. Am I correct in the belief that
there are things on the Bo Official CD that "Suggest" or "recommend" things
that aren't on the CD? I've found a few things, xIrc and xisp leap
immediately to mind. On that track, why isn't it possible to tell dselect
to get f
On Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 01:31:03PM +0100, Tristan Day wrote:
> About a month ago there were many people raving about deity, the replacement
> to dselect.
> Will it be in the Debian 2 release?
No, and it's called apt now. It's at (last look) 0.0.5 and is not
functional yet in
About a month ago there were many people raving about deity, the replacement
to dselect.
Will it be in the Debian 2 release?
Also what about StarOffice being in the next release? I saw a .deb installer
for it in 'unstable'.
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ixx (your favorite desease) wrote:
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> it says i do not have some file in err /var/lib/deity/cache/... made my
> apt-get or something..??? so i can not get it to run
>
It means run dpkg-get I believe. Misleading isn't it?
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it says i do not have some file in err /var/lib/deity/cache/... made my
apt-get or something..??? so i can not get it to run
> > I'll grab a copy and have a look. Are there any known, serious bugs?
>
> Well, other than not actually installing packages? :)
>
> The
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> Scott K. Ellis wrote:
>
> > The graphical interface is coming along nicely, but we haven't quite bound
> > it to the actual package installation routines (although those are also
> > very close to completion).
>
> Scott -- are there screenshots somew
Scott K. Ellis wrote:
> The graphical interface is coming along nicely, but we haven't quite bound
> it to the actual package installation routines (although those are also
> very close to completion).
Scott -- are there screenshots somewhere that we can look at?
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On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> >
> > > I thought it was an additional method and dselect was going to
> > > remain for the graphically-impaired (IIRC de
On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Britton wrote:
>
> I have been trying to install deity (largely because dselect has been seg
> faulting on me since libc6 upgrade and I havn't been able to fix this. I
> suspect it is related to the below ncurses problem). Here is what
> happens:
&
I have been trying to install deity (largely because dselect has been seg
faulting on me since libc6 upgrade and I havn't been able to fix this. I
suspect it is related to the below ncurses problem). Here is what
happens:
# dpkg --install libstdc++2.8_1.0.1-0.3_i386.deb
Selecting previ
On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:
>
> > I thought it was an additional method and dselect was going to
> > remain for the graphically-impaired (IIRC deity runs under X).
>
> This is Debian we are talking about...
Is deity going to be in 2.0? And are any developers burning CD's? I
would like to buy from a developer, since I have had trouble with mail
order places in the past, and want to get a local network set up on 2.0
systems as soon as possible without risking version skew problems (If
there ar
Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I thought it was an additional method and dselect was going to remain for
> the graphically-impaired (IIRC deity runs under X).
It has a text mode as well.
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At 17:13 -0800 1998-03-28, George Bonser wrote:
>Not from what I understand. I was told that it will run in either graphic
>or comman-line modes completely replacing dselect.
That's true, deity has both a slang and a GTK interface, the coolest thing
is that both interfaces are
On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> I thought it was an additional method and dselect was going to
> remain for the graphically-impaired (IIRC deity runs under X).
This is Debian we are talking about... ;-)
deity runs both under X11 and text. I have got used to dselect,
but Deity
On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, George Bonser wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Mike Acklin wrote:
>
> > What exactly is Deity? When you say stuph, what exactly is that? but
> > thanks for the early review :-)
> >
>
>
> It is the replacement for dselect.
I thought it was
Mar 1998, Wintermute wrote:
> Mike Acklin wrote:
> >
> > What exactly is Deity? When you say stuph, what exactly is that? but
> > thanks for the early review :-)
> >
>
> Sorry. As George has said, it's a graphical replacement for dselect
> with a boat-load o
Okay, I'll bite: where can one find/download Deity? Also, "how unstable" is
it?
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Mike Acklin wrote:
>
> What exactly is Deity? When you say stuph, what exactly is that? but
> thanks for the early review :-)
>
Sorry. As George has said, it's a graphical replacement for dselect
with a boat-load of new features. It should make package management a
dream.
What exactly is Deity? When you say stuph, what exactly is that? but
thanks for the early review :-)
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On Sat, 28
I've been hearing snippets of praise for Deity lately.
I just downloaded it to give it a try... WOW. This is REALLY cool
stuph. Whoever is responsible, you have my applause. Excellent work!
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I didn't see the original message from Bruce, but from some snippets I
gather the name "Trove" was being suggested. This sounds good to me, and
better than the other names I've seen suggested.
Cheers,
Mark.
P.S. When will the first version be released? And how is it looking at
the moment?
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> Red Hat already did "Disk Druid".
>
what about ppenguin, the package penguin?
Eric
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> > We are thinking about using "Trove" as the name for the project that
> > has been code-named "Deity" until now.
What a pity, I'd love to see the deity install satan :)
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>How about druid or pdruid (for package druid)?
I don't care what they call it as long as it doesn't start with
"dpkg&qu
Red Hat already did "Disk Druid".
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> We are thinking about using "Trove" as the name for the project that
> has been code-named "Deity" until now.
How about druid or pdruid (for package druid)?
I doubt anybody will have problems with religious connotations and if you
like/read &
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Geoffrey Deasey KD4WVF wrote:
>
> Hows it comming ?
> anyone car to guess when 2.0 will be ready
There is a snapshot around in project/experimental (incoming usually
though) but we are not targeting a release for 2.0 unless 2.0 is fairly
delay..
Jason
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The Deity team is still looking for a couple more members to help with
implementation. If you'd like to help, please send me some mail with
your experience and qualifications.
Brian
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Thanks to Jason building a libc5 verison of the new CVS (with read-only
patches), I've now made the Deity source archive available to everyone.
To get it, go to the directory you want to place the source and do the
following:
cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs login (pas
Hamish Moffatt wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 06, 1997 at 11:24:00AM -0400, Will Lowe wrote:
> > My major interest in the -Desktop and Diety projects is the provision for
>
> This name is confusing me -- is it really Diety?
> Should be "Deity", no? Very different!
>
On Wed, Aug 06, 1997 at 11:24:00AM -0400, Will Lowe wrote:
> My major interest in the -Desktop and Diety projects is the provision for
This name is confusing me -- is it really Diety?
Should be "Deity", no? Very different!
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On this point, is/has anyone work(ing|ed) on COPS as a deb package?
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On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Dave Cinege wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jul 1997 23:07:37 -0400 (EDT), Alex Yukhimets wrote:
>
> >> No I'm not willing to work on it, and no I have not thought out the fine
> >> details, but I think i
hello,
Dave Cinege wrote:
>
> On Tue, 01 Jul 1997 23:07:37 -0400 (EDT), Alex Yukhimets wrote:
>
> >> No I'm not willing to work on it, and no I have not thought out the > fine
> >> details, but I think it would be very useful and give Debian another
> >> sticking point as the 'De Facto Linux ISP
On Tue, 01 Jul 1997 23:07:37 -0400 (EDT), Alex Yukhimets wrote:
>> No I'm not willing to work on it, and no I have not thought out the fine
>> details, but I think it would be very useful and give Debian another
>> sticking point as the 'De Facto Linux ISP Distribution'. Chew on it and
>> see how
> No I'm not willing to work on it, and no I have not thought out the fine
> details, but I think it would be very useful and give Debian another
> sticking point as the 'De Facto Linux ISP Distribution'. Chew on it and
> see how it tastes
I'd prefer to chew on 'De facto Linux Distribution fo
How about this
Future dselect has a feature that will query a database on the net (you
set the server) and come back and mark all packages that are listed as
security concerns.
This would be done by linking right into the security/bug reporting
systems. It would also be nice to be able to
One thing that could be more than an annoyance with dpkg/dselect is that
dpkg does not check before unpacking files, and seemingly only after
unpacking the files notices the dependencies, etc. Wouldn't it be more
intelligent altogether to check first, before unpacking?
Alan Davis
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The new dselect should allow you to mark a package for re-install. I just
managed to delete all .so files in my X11R6/lib. It's be nice if I could
just mark all the affected packages for reinstall in dselect, instead of
having to download and reinstall by hand.
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Hi again,
I have something for the dselect etc. wish list: We would like to be able
to put the packages in an unpacked state on a read-only NFS disk and then
automagically create symlinks from the system directories to the NFS
disk on our target systems that form a cluster.
This of course makes s
On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
> One more idea to throw in the pot:
>
> How about including smbfs in the base kernel and allowing installation
> from a Win95 or NT share? Almost every office is going to have one
> of those around where you can share out a CDROM with a couple of
> mo
'Peter Iannarelli wrote:'
>
>Hello all:
>
>As I'm sure everyone is aware a new project has been initiated
>to replace the currenct dselect package maintainence facility
>with the goals of enhancing its functionality and resolving
>some of the existing package maintenance problems.
Look at http://w
> >
> > I'd think the info-zip package would have been a better choice since you
> > can extract individual elements without uncomressing the whole mess and
> > you wouldn't need two layers of archiving.
> >
> I use the Midnight Commander for extracting single files from a *.deb
> file. I could p
On Thu, Apr 17, 1997 at 02:53:12PM -0400, Raymond A. Ingles wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, why did Debian decide to use a .deb package
> format, as opposed to, say, a "debian_control" file inside the .tar
> archive? So far as I can see:
>
> CONS:
> Cannnot use the Debianized package withou
On Thu, Apr 17, 1997 at 10:30:40AM -0500, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
> How about including smbfs in the base kernel and allowing installation
> from a Win95 or NT share? Almost every office is going to have one
I started fiddling with the dselect method scripts last week,
in an attempt to implement a
On Apr 15, Dale Scheetz wrote
> Isn't this already available with get_selections and set_selections?
Yeah, but only 'oldtimers' know about that. I'd be nice if it could be
integrated in a more user-friendly way into "dselect 2". Something like:
Select Packages
- Full list (provides collapsible
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>
> I'd think the info-zip package would have been a better choice since you
> can extract individual elements without uncomressing the whole mess and
> you wouldn't need two layers of archiving.
>
I use the Midni
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (" Raymond A. Ingles") writes:
> CONS:
> Cannnot use the Debianized package without dpkg.
> Difficult to "unDebianize".
>
Actually you can do this without any Debian specific tools. GNU ar
should be included in any major Linux distrib
On 14:30:40 Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>>One more idea to throw in the pot:
>
>How about including smbfs in the base kernel and allowing installation
>from a Win95 or NT share? Almost every office is going to have one
>of those around where you can share out a CDROM with a couple of
>mouse clicks. Y
Lamar Folsom writes:
> Does this mean that each package will have to list the space it requires
> in every directory...
It would be sufficient to provide the complete path and size of each file.
> ...and the packaging software will figure out if each of those
> directories is on a separate partit
bine the {pre,post}{inst,rm}
files because these are handy to have around, but the list, checksum
and conffiles definitely would benefit, from what I can see.
This is really a dpkg issue, and so of little relevance to Deity.
Tony.
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> .deb is a very simple ar archive. You can use ar to display its
> contents and to extract data.tar.gz which contains the package,
> control.tar.gz contains the pre/post inst/rm scripts.
> (filenames from memory, might be called slightly different)
>
> > Using the universally (well, Unixversall
On Apr 17, Raymond A. Ingles wrote
> Just out of curiosity, why did Debian decide to use a .deb package
> format, as opposed to, say, a "debian_control" file inside the .tar
> archive? So far as I can see:
>
> PROS:
> ".deb" format allows easy ID of packages that can be installed on
> Deb
Just out of curiosity, why did Debian decide to use a .deb package
format, as opposed to, say, a "debian_control" file inside the .tar
archive? So far as I can see:
PROS:
".deb" format allows easy ID of packages that can be installed on
Debian systems.
CONS:
Cannnot use the Debianized
One more idea to throw in the pot:
How about including smbfs in the base kernel and allowing installation
from a Win95 or NT share? Almost every office is going to have one
of those around where you can share out a CDROM with a couple of
mouse clicks. You could even do from with Windows-for-Work
On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Lamar Folsom wrote:
> > Francois Gouget writes:
> > > Unfortunately in some cases it is not so simple to check for space
> > > availability as /var may be on one partition, /usr on another and /lib
> > > yet somewhere else.
> >
> > Should be doable. "df" to get all the parti
I will try to address your call for comments, though it will be a
matter of several responses, and not one.
My machine is minute (though I hope to replace it fairly soon). I have been
running a Debian system for well over a year. All my maintainance has been
done using FTP to get the packages.
> Francois Gouget writes:
> > Unfortunately in some cases it is not so simple to check for space
> > availability as /var may be on one partition, /usr on another and /lib
> > yet somewhere else.
>
> Should be doable. "df" to get all the partitions and their capacities, "df
> /var", "df /usr", et
"François" Gouget writes:
>
> robert havoc pennington wrote:
>
> > When I first installed debian I selected more packages than would fit on
> > the disk, and so I ended up with tons of "broken packages" and had to
> > install again. dselect recovered nicely (something other distributions
Francois Gouget writes:
> Unfortunately in some cases it is not so simple to check for space
> availability as /var may be on one partition, /usr on another and /lib
> yet somewhere else.
Should be doable. "df" to get all the partitions and their capacities, "df
/var", "df /usr", etc to get the f
robert havoc pennington wrote:
> When I first installed debian I selected more packages than would fit on
> the disk, and so I ended up with tons of "broken packages" and had to
> install again. dselect recovered nicely (something other distributions
> don't do) but since each package has a pre
Ok guys, ready for my comments on dselect? There are some doozies in here,
and some not-so-doozies. Also, there may be many points that can't work
simply because of the way packages are set up. The ideas are in no
particular order.
1) Allow "quick install" from floppies
It'd be really
Hi,
When I first installed debian I selected more packages than would fit on
the disk, and so I ended up with tons of "broken packages" and had to
install again. dselect recovered nicely (something other distributions
don't do) but since each package has a predictable size it seems dselect
could
bekome DEITY-gurus an fly along...
1.2 Change focus
If the user press TAB Focus shold be moved. In the package list focus is
cycled thru deskripton window (allow scroll of deskription whit cursor keys
and space), some menus att the top of scrern (preferenses, help etc) and the
man package list
How about the ability to search(currenlty using /) all fields not just
the package name. It is sometimes helpfull if you are not sure what a
package is called to search the discription of the package.
Brian
Mechanical Engin
Dale Scheetz writes:
[snip]
> Isn't this already available with get_selections and set_selections?
What about a fresh, "from scratch" installation? (like a newby would
encounter) 8-)
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interesting is the package names (as presented
now in dselect), rather than the filenames. I think the above
would just be an interface to dpkg, rather than a nice
friendly package management tool (which is what dselect
and deity aim to be).
Hamish
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Regarding the "wish list" for the dselect replacement:
1 A "what if" command: Tell me what you would do if I said "do it".
I found with dselect I'd somehow told it to remove lots of
things I hand't meant to, so recently I've been using dpkg directly
rather than trying to figure out dselect.
> My needs might be better served if there were an easy way to instruct dpkg
> to install the binaries on a different filesystem, like a zip disk. There
> is probably a way to do this easily, but I haven't figured it out. Have to
> do links by hand? THe config files, and so on, should go in the
If possible, it could look, feel and function like a midnight commander.
left pane are the .deb files, to the right could be the content, info,
dependancies to other files etc. which you could toggle.
regards,
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Andre M
My needs might be better served if there were an easy way to instruct dpkg
to install the binaries on a different filesystem, like a zip disk. There
is probably a way to do this easily, but I haven't figured it out. Have to
do links by hand? THe config files, and so on, should go in the regular
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|and concerns. So fire away. Keep it short and terse.
This isn't quite about the interface, but about the package system
(may it just depends on the way it is implemented).
What I'd like to see is a way for the user to individuallt decide
whether he/she wants to install c
Peter,
Thank you for request for ideas and desires regarding the next
improvement to the debian package management system.
1. Scripts provided by the package writer should only have access to
files and directories specifically approved by the installer.
2.
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
>Adam Shand writes:
>> This is *just* to get newbies installed and working. I'd do something
>> like have 3 options.
...
>> ...and a full install ( the two before plus X windows).
>
>Thus the the true newbie, who wants most of all to dial up her ISP and u
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