Re: Bridging Network Connections with libvirt are unreliable

2024-08-30 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Host: h370 Kernel: 6.1.0-23-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE > > Plasma > > > > v: 5.27.5 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) > > > > rd@h370:~$ > > > > It uses bridging network connections with libvirt work unreliable. >

Re: Bridging Network Connections with libvirt are unreliable

2024-08-30 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Am Donnerstag, 29. August 2024, 20:31:10 CEST schrieb Tim Woodall: > On Wed, 28 Aug 2024, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > In the systemd log, the first entry indicating network problems is that > > the DNS server switches to another interface. But it could easily be a > > consequence and not the cause of

Re: Bridging Network Connections with libvirt are unreliable

2024-08-29 Thread Jeffrey Walton
NU/Linux 12 (bookworm) > rd@h370:~$ > > It uses bridging network connections with libvirt work unreliable. > > I have in /etc/network/interface bridging networks e.g. > > iface eno1.2 inet manual > > # libvirt VM > auto br2 > iface br2 inet dhcp > # Use the MAC ad

Re: Bridging Network Connections with libvirt are unreliable

2024-08-29 Thread Tim Woodall
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024, Rainer Dorsch wrote: In the systemd log, the first entry indicating network problems is that the DNS server switches to another interface. But it could easily be a consequence and not the cause of the issue: Aug 28 06:57:54 h370 dhclient[1195]: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.4.203

Bridging Network Connections with libvirt are unreliable

2024-08-28 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Hello, I have a (for me) weird problem on a bookworm system rd@h370:~$ inxi -S System: Host: h370 Kernel: 6.1.0-23-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.27.5 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) rd@h370:~$ It uses bridging network connections with libvirt work unreliable

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-05 Thread David Wright
On Fri 01 Sep 2023 at 21:31:39 (+0100), Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 14:02:31 -0600 D. R. Evans wrote: > > >So how do I fix this so that the networking is configured to work > >correctly during the boot sequence, as it has always done before? > > I had changing ethernet port issues and

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-04 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 18:33:51 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: ... > Standard installation. But as you noted, it's optional. Debian *also* > allows the use of Network Manager, systemd-networkd, and probably several > other systems for configuring one's network(s). Yes - I use iwd for basic (wireless)

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-03 Thread Darac Marjal
On 02/09/2023 13:09, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 12:08:37 +0100 Brian wrote: Hello Brian, I did not write any of the text you quote. You did, but it was not what Timothy was responding to. What you wrote was quoted right at the bottom of the message, and irrelevant to Timothy's

Re: WORKAROUND (longish): was bookworm and network connections

2023-09-03 Thread Curt
On 2023-09-02, Brian wrote: > On Sat 02 Sep 2023 at 19:37:22 +0100, Brian wrote: > >> On Sat 02 Sep 2023 at 08:19:56 -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> > I will file a bug report. >> >> You have filed the report against general. This is a non-optimal >> package. Someone may or may not

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread David Wright
On Fri 01 Sep 2023 at 21:57:39 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 08:40:43PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > I know you have a low opinion of allow-hotplug, but I can't see that > > auto/allow-auto is necessarily better for the naive user that doesn't > > install a DE for whatev

Re: WORKAROUND (longish): was bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread David Wright
evelopers deal with the exact cause and > finding a proper fix.) I've not used NM, but I looked at the man page for nmcli on archlinux, and it says: "down [id | uuid | path | apath] ID... Deactivate a connection from a device without preventing the device from further auto-a

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread D. R. Evans
Brian wrote on 9/2/23 04:51: Installation over ethernet, no DE - ifupdown provided. Installation over ethernet or wireless with a DE - network-manager provided. Yep, that one's exactly what I experienced. Although the machine is used more like a server than a desktop, it has DE (KDE) to make

Re: WORKAROUND (longish): was bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread D. R. Evans
Brian wrote on 9/2/23 13:01: Send a mail to cont...@bugs.debian.org Ib the mail body put ressign 1051086 installation-report thanks Sorry. That's "reassign". Done. Thank you. I pondered where to assign in, and couldn't see anywhere that the report really fit. (I interpreted "i

Re: WORKAROUND (longish): was bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread Brian
On Sat 02 Sep 2023 at 19:37:22 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 02 Sep 2023 at 08:19:56 -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > > [...] > > > I will file a bug report. > > You have filed the report against general. This is a non-optimal > package. Someone may or may not move it to a better place. > > Doing it

Re: WORKAROUND (longish): was bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread Brian
On Sat 02 Sep 2023 at 08:19:56 -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: [...] > I will file a bug report. You have filed the report against general. This is a non-optimal package. Someone may or may not move it to a better place. Doing it for yourself: Send a mail to cont...@bugs.debian.org Ib the mail b

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread D. R. Evans
Michael Kjörling wrote on 9/2/23 03:23: You might want to poke around a little among the files in /etc/NetworkManager, particularly /e/NM/system-connections. That's what NetworkManager _should_ be using to set up the interfaces. See if there's something there to explain the two seemi

WORKAROUND (longish): was bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread D. R. Evans
Starting a new thread so that this doesn't get lost in the postings in the original thread. The original thread was started at: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/09/msg00024.html That post contains a description of the problem. I now have a workaround (although not an explanation) fo

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 08:44:38 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: Hello Greg, >Because we've already deleted the message from person I can understand that for the occasional slip up (1), but when the perpetrator does it habitually (1) Over-zealous with the delete key, for example. -- Regards

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Sep 02, 2023 at 01:09:45PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > Which begs the question: > Why do some people respond to a message from person Y, when they're > /actually/ dealing with something written by person X? Because we've already deleted the message from person X, and didn't notice the issu

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread Anssi Saari
"D. R. Evans" writes: > I don't think that debian has used used /etc/network/interfaces for a > while, at least not by default. Certainly there's nothing useful there > on the machine that I just upgraded and whose networking is failing to > configure itself correctly. I used to think that too.

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 12:08:37 +0100 Brian wrote: Hello Brian, >I did not write any of the text you quote. You did, but it was not what Timothy was responding to. What you wrote was quoted right at the bottom of the message, and irrelevant to Timothy's response. Which begs the question: Why do

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 6:34 AM Brian wrote: > On Fri 01 Sep 2023 at 16:56:42 -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > > > Michel Verdier wrote on 9/1/23 15:06: > > > > > > > > If you want old names put in /etc/default/grub > > > > > > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0" > > > > > > > Nice to know, but I'll sta

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread Brian
On Fri 01 Sep 2023 at 22:32:00 +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 04:16:46PM -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > > I don't think that debian has used used /etc/network/interfaces for a while, > > at least not by default. > > All of my Debian servers (and desktops) have an > /e

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread Brian
On Fri 01 Sep 2023 at 16:56:42 -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > Michel Verdier wrote on 9/1/23 15:06: > > > > > If you want old names put in /etc/default/grub > > > > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0" > > > > Nice to know, but I'll stay with the new names, I think. > > > network manager is good

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-02 Thread Michael Kjörling
a little among the files in /etc/NetworkManager, particularly /e/NM/system-connections. That's what NetworkManager _should_ be using to set up the interfaces. See if there's something there to explain the two seemingly being intertwined. You might already have done this, of course, an

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread D. R. Evans
David Wright wrote on 9/1/23 19:40: I don't see that the OP is doing anything complicated that requires rc.local to run at all. They just need to distinguish between the two Correct. I was simply trying to workaround the problem by putting commands into rc.local that are known to work when I

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 08:40:43PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > I know you have a low opinion of allow-hotplug, but I can't see that > auto/allow-auto is necessarily better for the naive user that doesn't > install a DE for whatever reason. > > AIUI auto gives you a one-shot attempt to start the n

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread David Wright
On Fri 01 Sep 2023 at 17:38:48 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 03:18:47PM -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > > [[ I speculate wildly that systemd or something doesn't complete configuring > > the network until after rc.local has finished processing (I know that > > rc.local execute

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread D. R. Evans
Michel Verdier wrote on 9/1/23 15:06: If you want old names put in /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0" Nice to know, but I'll stay with the new names, I think. network manager is good for changing networks. For a server the network must not change normally. So you could p

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread D. R. Evans
Andy Smith wrote on 9/1/23 16:32: Your situation appears to have been triggered by the renaming of your network interfaces (which was warned about in the release These weird names like "Wired connection enp11s0(eth0)" were names that the debian installer came up with several OS versions ago (

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 04:16:46PM -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote on 9/1/23 15:38: > > > In particular, when using /etc/network/interfaces, only interfaces that > > are marked as "auto" need to be up, to satisfy this criterion. An > > I don't think that debian has used used /etc

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 04:16:46PM -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > I don't think that debian has used used /etc/network/interfaces for a while, > at least not by default. All of my Debian servers (and desktops) have an /etc/network/interfaces file and ifupdown installed. It depends upon choice

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread D. R. Evans
Greg Wooledge wrote on 9/1/23 15:38: In particular, when using /etc/network/interfaces, only interfaces that are marked as "auto" need to be up, to satisfy this criterion. An I don't think that debian has used used /etc/network/interfaces for a while, at least not by default. Certainly there

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 03:18:47PM -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > [[ I speculate wildly that systemd or something doesn't complete configuring > the network until after rc.local has finished processing (I know that > rc.local executes late in the boot process, but I don't think that that > means that

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread D. R. Evans
Thank you for your thoughts... As people are addressing the rc.local issue (I now realise that I shouldn't have mentioned it :-) )... I just checked, and: 1. rc.local is being executed; 2. it is executing the nmcli commands; 3. the commands are successful. But it remains true that when the bo

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2023-09-01, D. R. Evans wrote: > The machine has two ethernet ports, which used to be eth0 and eth1 in the old > days, but are now magically called "Wired connection enp11s0(eth0)" and "Wired > connection enp12s0(eth1)". If you want old names put in /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.i

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-09-01 at 16:50, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 08:32:40PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > >> I don't think /etc/rc.local is executed by default on modern Debian >> systems. Have you checked to make sure that rc-local.service is >> enabled and actually gets started during b

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 08:32:40PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > I don't think /etc/rc.local is executed by default on modern Debian > systems. Have you checked to make sure that rc-local.service is > enabled and actually gets started during boot? Is there anything > relevant in the logs for tha

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 1 Sep 2023 14:02 -0600, from doc.ev...@gmail.com (D. R. Evans): > Well, great, sort-of, except that every time I reboot I have to manually > issue the two above nmcli commands to take down and bring back up enp11s. > > I tried putting them in my rc.local file, but that had no effect (for > reas

Re: bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 14:02:31 -0600 "D. R. Evans" wrote: Hello D., >So how do I fix this so that the networking is configured to work >correctly during the boot sequence, as it has always done before? I had changing ethernet port issues and found that creating /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link

bookworm and network connections

2023-09-01 Thread D. R. Evans
I just upgraded my main server to bookworm, having successfully, over the course of the past couple of months, methodically upgraded my other machines with only minor issues. Unfortunately, the upgrade of the server, the most important of my machines, has not been smooth at all, even though no

Re: latest upgrade to systemd 252.12-1 error about invalid attributes /var/log/journal and slow sshd connections

2023-07-15 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 1:09 PM David Mehler wrote: > > [...] > > "2. "I noticed that when I change UsePAM yes to UsePAM no then this > issue is resolved." > > BINGO! I flipped that UsePAM setting to no and the problem has gone away. If you need a datapoint about UsePAM... I've been setting it

Re: latest upgrade to systemd 252.12-1 error about invalid attributes /var/log/journal and slow sshd connections

2023-07-15 Thread Gareth Evans
On Sat 15 Jul 2023, at 17:52, David Mehler wrote: [...] > Regarding the original issue of the systemd upgrade and the invalid > attributes [...] here is the output that I've got: > [...] > Cannot set file attributes for '/var/log/journal', maybe due to > incompatibility in specified attributes, pr

Re: latest upgrade to systemd 252.12-1 error about invalid attributes /var/log/journal and slow sshd connections

2023-07-15 Thread David Mehler
Hello, Thanks. The ssh issue has been solved. "The same symptoms appear in an answer to https://superuser.com/questions/166359/why-is-my-ssh-login-slow which includes various solutions, some more permanent/apparently likely to help you than others. Just out of interest, is the su command (on

Re: latest upgrade to systemd 252.12-1 error about invalid attributes /var/log/journal and slow sshd connections

2023-07-15 Thread Gareth Evans
On Sat 15 Jul 2023, at 13:09, Gareth Evans wrote: > > 2. "I noticed that when I change UsePAM yes to UsePAM no then this > issue is resolved." > > There may be security (or other) issues with (2). See, for example: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/673153/sshd-what-are-the-practical-e

Re: latest upgrade to systemd 252.12-1 error about invalid attributes /var/log/journal and slow sshd connections

2023-07-15 Thread Gareth Evans
On Wed 12 Jul 2023, at 18:29, Gareth Evans wrote: >> On 12 Jul 2023, at 15:12, David Mehler wrote: >> [sshd login takes a long time] > [...] > Does > > ssh -vvv ... > > (at client) shed any light? Replying to an off-list message from David in which he stated ssh -vvv waits after > debug1:

Re: latest upgrade to systemd 252.12-1 error about invalid attributes /var/log/journal and slow sshd connections

2023-07-12 Thread Gareth Evans
> On 12 Jul 2023, at 15:12, David Mehler wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm running Debian 12 on a vps. I just upgraded it and am now > apparently running the latest systemd version 252.12-1. I saw an error > about invalid attributes on /var/log/journal then it said ignoring. > I've seen others with t

latest upgrade to systemd 252.12-1 error about invalid attributes /var/log/journal and slow sshd connections

2023-07-12 Thread David Mehler
Hello, I'm running Debian 12 on a vps. I just upgraded it and am now apparently running the latest systemd version 252.12-1. I saw an error about invalid attributes on /var/log/journal then it said ignoring. I've seen others with this error but only in reference as far as I can tell to the btrfs f

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-10 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-05-10 09:28:51 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 03:19:31PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2023-05-10 15:07:17 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > Note: if you play with .ssh/rc, be careful as there is a risk > > > that you may not log in any more with ssh in case

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 03:19:31PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2023-05-10 15:07:17 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Note: if you play with .ssh/rc, be careful as there is a risk > > that you may not log in any more with ssh in case of mistake > > (I'm wondering whether there is an undocumen

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-10 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-05-10 15:07:17 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > Note: if you play with .ssh/rc, be careful as there is a risk > that you may not log in any more with ssh in case of mistake > (I'm wondering whether there is an undocumented way to skip it). For this point, there are solutions there: https

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-10 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-05-10 14:36:25 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: [...] > zira:~> ssh cventin xterm > Connected to cventin (from 140.77.51.8) > OS: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) [x86_64] > DISPLAY: localhost:11.0 > > and xterm is started as expected. FYI, some data, like DISPLAY, are > output by my .ssh/rc sc

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-10 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-05-09 20:07:26 +0200, zithro wrote: > On 09 May 2023 18:06, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2023-05-05 15:04:27 +0200, zithro wrote: > > > > > > journalctl after GUI LOGOFF > > > -

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-10 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-05-09 14:17:14 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > zithro wrote: > > On 09 May 2023 17:47, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > BTW, you should also try GNU Screen to see if you have the same issue > > > with it (this could help debugging). > > > > Do you mean trying "ssh u@h screen" ? > > Never tried scr

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-10 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-05-09 19:44:48 +0200, zithro wrote: > On 09 May 2023 17:47, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 2023-05-04 21:07:17 +0200, zithro wrote: > > > Here is what happens chronologically : > > > > > > 1. I start various SSH connections to a

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-09 Thread Dan Ritter
zithro wrote: > On 09 May 2023 17:47, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > BTW, you should also try GNU Screen to see if you have the same issue > > with it (this could help debugging). > > Do you mean trying "ssh u@h screen" ? > Never tried screen with GUI apps, does that work ? Not in a useful way. For

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-09 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 08:07:26PM +0200, zithro wrote: > I use Ctrl-D to close ssh sessions, "~." does not work, I get "bash: command > not found". To use the tilde commands in the ssh client, they have to be at the "beginning of a line", which means you have to press Enter first. Or at least ha

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-09 Thread zithro
On 09 May 2023 18:06, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2023-05-05 15:04:27 +0200, zithro wrote: journalctl after GUI LOGOFF [...] May 05 14:09:14 debzit sshd[14246

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-09 Thread zithro
On 09 May 2023 17:47, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Hi, On 2023-05-04 21:07:17 +0200, zithro wrote: Here is what happens chronologically : 1. I start various SSH connections to a host, some normal, some with X forwarding, like that: "ssh user@host" and "ssh -X -n user@host GUI_APP&

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-09 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-05-05 15:04:27 +0200, zithro wrote: > > journalctl after GUI LOGOFF > [...] > May 05 14:09:14 debzit sshd[14246]: Received disconnect from IP.IP.IP.IP >

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-09 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Hi, On 2023-05-04 21:07:17 +0200, zithro wrote: > Here is what happens chronologically : > > 1. I start various SSH connections to a host, some normal, some with X > forwarding, like that: "ssh user@host" and "ssh -X -n user@host GUI_APP" > (like firejail

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-07 Thread zithro
On 06 May 2023 07:07, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, May 06, 2023 at 10:24:52AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: Thanks both for the pointers, will report back with results

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-07 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 19:14, Max Nikulin wrote: Does it happen for newly created user with no customization? Never tried ! I recommended to do it just for a case that you added something to init files for the "zithro" user. AFAIK I didn't customize a lot, as I'm rarely logging to X. But it won't

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-07 Thread zithro
On 06 May 2023 06:45, David Wright wrote: *I login to VC1 and startx for an Xserver* I think that's why you don't have my problem, your user is always logged in, even when you close X. Is the greeter just deferring the ssh command until you login? Nope, they work without X "direct" login.

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-06 Thread Max Nikulin
On 05/05/2023 12:33, David wrote: That sounds like what is documented here, with the solution at the end: $ apt show dbus-user-session I have tried quite similar steps, it seems the cause is not dbus-user-session per se. I have a laptop with Debian 11 bullseye and "minimalistic" KDE (origi

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 06, 2023 at 10:24:52AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 05/05/2023 20:04, zithro wrote: > > journalctl after GUI LOGOFF > > I do not see obvious problems. What might be inspected more closely: > > > May 05 14:09:14 debzit systemd[711]: Stopping D-Bus User Message Bus... >

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread David Wright
On Fri 05 May 2023 at 13:59:37 (+0200), zithro wrote: > On 05 May 2023 07:33, David wrote: > > On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 19:07, zithro wrote: > > > > > this is a rather strange problem, I hope the title is explicit enough. > > > > Subject: Logging off an X s

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread David Wright
machine, do > > > > some stuff, then hit "log off" from the desktop menu. > > > > Immediately, ALL the previous SSH connections started in step 1 > > > > get closed, hence all the shells and the GUI apps (firefox, etc) ! > ... > > > A wild gu

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread Max Nikulin
. May 05 14:09:14 debzit systemd[711]: Started D-Bus User Message Bus. Why it started again from the same systemd user session if it is logout? I would compare with logout messages when there are no ssh connections. May 05 14:09:14 debzit sshd[14246]: Received disconnect from IP.IP.IP.IP port

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread Max Nikulin
evious SSH connections started in step 1 get closed, hence all the shells and the GUI apps (firefox, etc) ! ... A wild guess is that it might be force close of systemd user session, however it should not happen. ... Isn't it this issue? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19023885 The discuss

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread Max Nikulin
er-session should keep daemon running till at least one session is alive. It is surprise that logoff from desktop session kills d-bus despite other connections. Does it happen for newly created user with no customization? Never tried ! I recommended to do it just for a case that you added so

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 16:10, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: I have now full logs of before/after GUI logon/logoff, I posted them in the other post. Will try to make sense of it with this lead ... after a needed break ^^ I saved that for a look during weekend, now I'm supposed to fix an update of... forget it

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread tomas
On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 03:26:12PM +0200, zithro wrote: > On 05 May 2023 14:11, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > No DE, just a window manager (fvwm2). > > Isn't that fluxbox ? That's the GUI I used on Slackware. > Simple, lean, efficient ! No, quite a bit older. Fluxbox 2000-ish, fvwm 199-smal

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 14:11, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 01:58:55PM +0200, zithro wrote: On 05 May 2023 06:32, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: dbus is a candidate. Let me explain: I have a funny setup -- no systemd, no dbus (still, Debian buster, and X). I'm on bullseye, I know how to sw

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
So, previous post was BEFORE logging in into GUI via VNC. Now, I have outputs from after GUI LOGIN and after GUI LOGOFF. I've removed the maximum of useless lines (audio, GUI apps, gvfs stuff, etc), but tried to keep the most about systemd and dbus, as I'm clueless about what you wanna read ...

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread tomas
On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 01:58:55PM +0200, zithro wrote: > On 05 May 2023 06:32, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > dbus is a candidate. Let me explain: I have a funny setup -- no systemd, > > no dbus (still, Debian buster, and X). > > I'm on bullseye, I know how to switch back to old init, but have no cl

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 07:33, David wrote: On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 19:07, zithro wrote: this is a rather strange problem, I hope the title is explicit enough. Subject: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X Yeah, I meant title==subject, I was hoping

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 06:32, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: dbus is a candidate. Let me explain: I have a funny setup -- no systemd, no dbus (still, Debian buster, and X). I'm on bullseye, I know how to switch back to old init, but have no clue about Dbus (kinda a Linux-GUI-with-systemd noob). Which DE/DM y

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 05:30, David Wright wrote: Isn't it this issue? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19023885 Looks like it, yes ! I'm afraid I can't replicate the problem, though, as I don't have a "log off" button or menu entry. That might suggest that the problem is in something I don't r

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 04:13, Max Nikulin wrote: On 05/05/2023 02:07, zithro wrote: 2. using VNC or rdesktop, I then log on to X on the machine, do some stuff, then hit "log off" from the desktop menu. Immediately, ALL the previous SSH connections started in step 1 get closed, hence all the

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-04 Thread David
On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 19:07, zithro wrote: > this is a rather strange problem, I hope the title is explicit enough. Subject: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X > Here is what happens chronologically : > > 1. I start various SSH

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 09:13:04AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 05/05/2023 02:07, zithro wrote: > > 2. using VNC or rdesktop, I then log on to X on the machine, do some > > stuff, then hit "log off" from the desktop menu. [...] > Perhaps it may be related to user D-Bus sessions, however I would

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 05 May 2023 at 09:13:04 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > On 05/05/2023 02:07, zithro wrote: > > 2. using VNC or rdesktop, I then log on to X on the machine, do > > some stuff, then hit "log off" from the desktop menu. > > Immediately, ALL the previous SSH connec

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-04 Thread Max Nikulin
On 05/05/2023 02:07, zithro wrote: 2. using VNC or rdesktop, I then log on to X on the machine, do some stuff, then hit "log off" from the desktop menu. Immediately, ALL the previous SSH connections started in step 1 get closed, hence all the shells and the GUI apps (firefox, etc) !

Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-04 Thread zithro
Hi all, this is a rather strange problem, I hope the title is explicit enough. Here is what happens chronologically : 1. I start various SSH connections to a host, some normal, some with X forwarding, like that: "ssh user@host" and "ssh -X -n user@host GUI_APP" (l

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-07 Thread David Wright
On Sun 05 Mar 2023 at 20:57:25 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote: > On 3/5/23, David Wright wrote: > > > > I run installed systems, so wifi passwords are either in individual > > /var/lib/iwd/.psk files (with iwd), or collectively in > > /etc/wpa_supplicant/.conf (with wpasupplicant/systemd-networkd

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-06 Thread Anssi Saari
David Wright writes: > So what was wrong with using a .link file like: > > [Match] > Type=wwan > [Link] > NamePolicy=keep kernel > > or > > [Match] > Type=wwan > [Link] > Name=my4g > > Did this not work? Nothing was wrong but I just added a few lines to my management script to do

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-05 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 3/5/23, David Wright wrote: > On Sun 05 Mar 2023 at 02:42:46 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote: >> On 3/4/23, David Wright wrote: >> > Also, now that the firmware is in place, if you repeat those steps, >> > you're /likely/ to find that ath10k_pci is busy, because the link >> > will be configure

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-05 Thread David Wright
On Sun 05 Mar 2023 at 21:22:10 (+0200), Anssi Saari wrote: > Curt writes: > > > * UNPREDICTABILITY > > it turns out even after all this [**an enumeration of complications and > > corner > > cases**] there are still reported cases of interfaces changing their name > > on a > > reboot. > > I hav

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-05 Thread David Wright
On Sun 05 Mar 2023 at 02:42:46 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote: > On 3/4/23, David Wright wrote: > > Also, now that the firmware is in place, if you repeat those steps, > > you're /likely/ to find that ath10k_pci is busy, because the link > > will be configured automatically in the first few secon

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-05 Thread Albretch Mueller
I thought “unpredictability” was the name of my daily drama show, but apparently “I am not the only one”. Yes, I know javascript is the primary vector they use to mess with whomever they choose, regardless of if they wear a “tiny tin hat” or expensive shoes. In my case, among many other things, t

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Mar 05, 2023 at 09:22:10PM +0200, Anssi Saari wrote: > I have just this fun kind of unpredictability in my router's 4G > module. Mostly, it comes up as wwan0 but sometimes it's wwx. So > I put something in my 4G management script to rename such interface if > there's no wwan0. If you're ru

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-05 Thread Anssi Saari
Curt writes: > * UNPREDICTABILITY > it turns out even after all this [**an enumeration of complications and corner > cases**] there are still reported cases of interfaces changing their name on a > reboot. I have just this fun kind of unpredictability in my router's 4G module. Mostly, it comes u

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-05 Thread Curt
2023-03-04, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 12:12 PM David Wright wrote: >> >> On Sat 04 Mar 2023 at 01:02:54 (-0500), Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> > On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 6:10 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: >> > > On Fri, Mar 03, 2023 at 05:45:54PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> > > > The

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-04 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 3/4/23, David Wright wrote: > Also, now that the firmware is in place, if you repeat those steps, > you're /likely/ to find that ath10k_pci is busy, because the link > will be configured automatically in the first few seconds after > booting up. I would always go into exposed mode using a DL

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-04 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 12:12 PM David Wright wrote: > > On Sat 04 Mar 2023 at 01:02:54 (-0500), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 6:10 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 03, 2023 at 05:45:54PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > > The 'p' is a pci bus, the 's' is a slot numbe

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-04 Thread David Wright
On Sat 04 Mar 2023 at 01:02:54 (-0500), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 6:10 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 03, 2023 at 05:45:54PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > The 'p' is a pci bus, the 's' is a slot number. Since the interface > > > does not move around once installe

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-04 Thread David Wright
On Sat 04 Mar 2023 at 00:03:16 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote: > On 3/3/23, David Wright wrote: > > > > Try removing the atheros module with: > > > > # rmmod ath10k_pci > > > > (check its name in /proc/modules), and then reload it with > > > > # modprobe ath10k_pci > > > > and check dmesg aga

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-04 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 3/3/23, Dan Ritter wrote: > ... the messages you > are seeing are from the first 88.2 seconds after boot. Most probably and luckily no one has reported such problems, but from the corner from which I see reality it may as well be not "after boot". I haven't exactly timed it (I will when I get

Re: how to activate my wireless card? nmtui only shows wireless connections . . .

2023-03-03 Thread tomas
On Fri, Mar 03, 2023 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2023 at 05:45:54PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > The 'p' is a pci bus, the 's' is a slot number. Since the interface > > does not move around once installed, the interface will always have > > the same name like 'en

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