Re: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer?

2023-05-09 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 9 May 2023 15:04:19 + Schwibinger Michael wrote: Hello Schwibinger, >the printer is not printing. > >Is this a better explanation? No. -- Regards _ "Valid sig separator is {dash}{dash}{space}" / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"

AW: AW: AW: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer?

2023-05-09 Thread Schwibinger Michael
gards Sophie Von: rhkra...@gmail.com Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2023 13:08 An: Schwibinger Michael Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer? Intentionally replying off list and top posting: Are you a real (flesh and blood, human) person or

Re: AW: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer?

2023-05-08 Thread Max Nikulin
On 03/05/2023 16:34, Nicolas George wrote: Schwibinger Michael (12023-05-03): What do I do wrong? ...> - Using 0x65 0x57 0x3A 0x20 instead of 0x52 0x65 0x3A 0x20 as a reply marker in the subject. I do not think it has any significance. It may be tricky to configure locale of mail client

Re: AW: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer?

2023-05-08 Thread Nicolas George
Schwibinger Michael (12023-05-08): > Thank You Do not thank and at the same time rudely ignore the advice given to you. -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature

AW: AW: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer?

2023-05-08 Thread Schwibinger Michael
Good morning Thank You What does mean: - Using 0x65 0x57 0x3A 0x20 Regards Sophie Von: Nicolas George Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2023 09:34 An: debian-user@lists.debian.org Betreff: Re: AW: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer? Schwibinger Michael

Re: AW: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer?

2023-05-04 Thread chris
Nobody bumped this thread today so here goes 🤣 On Wed, May 3, 2023, 5:35 AM Nicolas George wrote: > Schwibinger Michael (12023-05-03): > > What do I do wrong? > > Among other things, what you are doing wrong: > > - Top posting. > > - Using 0x65 0x57 0x3A 0x20 instead of 0x52 0x65 0x3A 0x20 a

Re: AW: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer?

2023-05-03 Thread Nicolas George
Schwibinger Michael (12023-05-03): > What do I do wrong? Among other things, what you are doing wrong: - Top posting. - Using 0x65 0x57 0x3A 0x20 instead of 0x52 0x65 0x3A 0x20 as a reply marker in the subject. -- Nicolas George

AW: AW: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer?

2023-05-03 Thread Schwibinger Michael
Good Morning Thank You. Print setting is saying: Epson Ecotank. What do I do wrong? Regards Sophie Von: Andrew M.A. Cater Gesendet: Montag, 1. Mai 2023 17:42 An: debian-user@lists.debian.org Betreff: Re: AW: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer? On

Re: AW: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer?

2023-05-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
ll printer. > > > Regards > Sophie > > > > Von: Andrew M.A. Cater > Gesendet: Montag, 24. April 2023 21:41 > An: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Betreff: Re: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer? > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023

AW: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer?

2023-04-28 Thread Schwibinger Michael
Good afternoon Thank You for help. Its Debian 11 LXDE I did not find a button: Install printer. Regards Sophie Von: Andrew M.A. Cater Gesendet: Montag, 24. April 2023 21:41 An: debian-user@lists.debian.org Betreff: Re: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson

Re: Was it a good idea to buy an Epson printer?

2023-04-24 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 01:36:24PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > > > Good afternoon > > Thank You > Was it a good idea to buy EPSON? > > Regards > Sophie > Good evening, Sophie Many printers can be supported in Debian: one way or another we should be able

Re: OT: Reason to buy a Raspberry Pi ;-) (was Re: shell wrappers for trig and other mathematical functions)

2019-10-02 Thread Anders Andersson
ut I couldn't remember the name of the Mathmatica program (nor the guy who > wrote it, who is fairly famous for it), so I went googling and came up with > the following pages which reminded me of the name, but also pointed out that, > apparently if you buy a Raspberry Pi, you get a fre

Re: OT: Reason to buy a Raspberry Pi ;-) (was Re: shell wrappers for trig and other mathematical functions)

2019-10-02 Thread John Hasler
I always have Octave open for calculations and math. For symbolic math look at python-sympy, axiom, cantor, euler, form, freemat (said to be mostly matlab compatible), mathomatic, maxima, sagemath, wxmaxima, or just do "apt-cache search math" and look down the list. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsg

Re: OT: Reason to buy a Raspberry Pi ;-) (was Re: shell wrappers for trig and other mathematical functions)

2019-10-02 Thread Nicolas George
rhkra...@gmail.com (12019-10-02): > Anyway, my thinking on this topic is that I wouldn't mind having a program > dedicated to the uses the OP brought up (I keep a session of bc - l open in a > terminal for quick calculations). I personally have shift-meta-letter keyboards shortcuts to start xter

Re: OT: Reason to buy a Raspberry Pi ;-) (was Re: shell wrappers for trig and other mathematical functions)

2019-10-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 02:06:03PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Anyway, my thinking on this topic is that I wouldn't mind having a program > dedicated to the uses the OP brought up (I keep a session of bc - l open in a > terminal for quick calculations). So do I. Several of them, in fact

OT: Reason to buy a Raspberry Pi ;-) (was Re: shell wrappers for trig and other mathematical functions)

2019-10-02 Thread rhkramer
irly famous for it), so I went googling and came up with the following pages which reminded me of the name, but also pointed out that, apparently if you buy a Raspberry Pi, you get a free copy of Mathmatica. So, I will seriously consider buying a Raspberry Pi. (The (Wikipedia) pages listed belo

Support zum Druckerankauf - printer to buy difficulties

2019-09-11 Thread li . vog
Sent today / Eingesandt heute (11. Sept. 2019) to/anhttps://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imagingand printing I need a new printerfor my computers at home since my Brother printer has stopped workingwhen the new Debian Buster came out, but it seems impossible for m

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-24 Thread David Christensen
On 5/24/19 1:15 AM, Erik Josefsson wrote: On 5/24/19 5:12 AM, David Christensen wrote: If you get a major brand computer with 64-bit Intel Core technology (ca. 2006) or newer, Debian should run on it. Great! Thanks! The HP Compaq 8200 Elite SFF that I'm about to grab has a Intel Core i5-24

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-24 Thread Dan Ritter
Erik Josefsson wrote: > On 5/24/19 5:12 AM, David Christensen wrote: > > > > If you get a major brand computer with 64-bit Intel Core technology (ca. > > 2006) or newer, Debian should run on it. > > Great! Thanks! > > The HP Compaq 8200 Elite SFF that I'm about to grab has a Intel Core > i5-240

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 08:15:12AM +, Erik Josefsson wrote: > The HP Compaq 8200 Elite SFF that I'm about to grab has a Intel Core > i5-2400S processor. > > I browsed the Debian installer pages and as far as I understand I should use > "other images (netboot, USB stick, etc.)" for the installa

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-24 Thread Erik Josefsson
On 5/24/19 5:12 AM, David Christensen wrote: If you get a major brand computer with 64-bit Intel Core technology (ca. 2006) or newer, Debian should run on it. Great! Thanks! The HP Compaq 8200 Elite SFF that I'm about to grab has a Intel Core i5-2400S processor. I browsed the Debian insta

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-23 Thread David Christensen
On 5/23/19 8:17 AM, Erik Josefsson wrote: Thanks all for feedback, help and answers to many of my questions, but I feel my available time and my skills put together won't meet the threshold for being able to contribute to Debian in any meaningful way for another year or two. I'll have to go b

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-23 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
On 5/23/19, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > > Mine's handsome. Dell XPS 420. Runs NICE on Debian... when it's > running. It's still in need of a new power supply. Intentions are to > attempt to find one again tonight. > > I can't swear 100%, but I THINK it did NOT do Nvidia issues. I > remember lsmod'in

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-23 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
either new or old, is to make sure it has ALL the types of AND the quantity of [ports] you think you'll be using. The relatively new Dell "transformer" lacks "basic" ethernet. That's why I'm sitting on pins and needles waiting for those CHEAP wifi dongles

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-23 Thread Dominic Knight
unning Buster for over two years. > > > > > Always difficult to advise, so many computers, so few recent ones > > listed as Linux-compatible. All I can offer is that I've never had > > problems with HP business desktops, > > Thanks a million! I'm not a g

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-23 Thread Joe
e just down town, so I could buy it tomorrow! > Difficult to say, but it looks likely to be OK. If you're staying away from wireless, that's certainly one less problem. There's not much else to go wrong. These days, if you have sound problems, you forget the MB and just plu

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-23 Thread Felix Miata
Erik Josefsson composed on 2019-05-23 19:24 (UTC): > would this machine be OK you think? > > https://www.bluecity.se/hp-compaq-8200-elite-sff-2-50ghz-250gb-hdd-windows-10-8gb-ram-svart-50074 > > It's on the shelf for sale just down town, so I could buy it tomorrow! It sho

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-23 Thread Erik Josefsson
run MS operating systems and/or multiple VMs. The most powerful ex-office machines will be MS servers, but they are generally large and noisy and produce a fair bit of heat. Whatever you buy, throw away the hard drive and buy new. I don't know more than that I should avoid Nvidia. In theory,

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-23 Thread ghe
On 5/23/19 9:17 AM, Erik Josefsson wrote: > I'd anyway like to ask if anyone would know a > reasonably powerful second hand stationary office computer that can run > a Debian Buster Pure Blend from a net install? No need for wireless, I > will just connect with ethernet cable. I don't know if thi

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-23 Thread Joe
ly powerful unless they run MS operating systems and/or multiple VMs. The most powerful ex-office machines will be MS servers, but they are generally large and noisy and produce a fair bit of heat. Whatever you buy, throw away the hard drive and buy new. > > I don't know more than that

What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-23 Thread Erik Josefsson
Thanks all for feedback, help and answers to many of my questions, but I feel my available time and my skills put together won't meet the threshold for being able to contribute to Debian in any meaningful way for another year or two. I'll have to go back to piggybacking, as I have done for dec

PS/2 (was Re: mjg59 | Skylake's power management under Linux is dreadful and)x you shouldn't buy one until it's fixed)

2016-04-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:55:59AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Apart from some instability and non-working (sometimes) PS2 mouse I'm amazed to hear of a Skylake machine carrying a PS/2 Port, > Giga-Byte GA-H110M-S2H Then I remember that my Bay Trail SoC is a Gigabyte and also has a PS/2 port.

Re: mjg59 | Skylake's power management under Linux is dreadful and you shouldn't buy one until it's fixed

2016-04-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 03:22:38AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > This looks like a very big OUCH for latest generation of Intel based > laptops! > -- desktops might be okay though. At least until it's fixed. -- Jonathan Dowland Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: mjg59 | Skylake's power management under Linux is dreadful and you shouldn't buy one until it's fixed

2016-04-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 14 April 2016 18:22:38 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > desktops might be okay though. Apart from some instability and non-working (sometimes) PS2 mouse, also non-working (less often) USB mouse, it is great - very fast and responsive, when it doesn't crash. But I gather that the model of m

mjg59 | Skylake's power management under Linux is dreadful and you shouldn't buy one until it's fixed

2016-04-14 Thread Andrew McGlashan
This looks like a very big OUCH for latest generation of Intel based laptops! -- desktops might be okay though. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html Kind Regards AndrewM signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 16 January 2013 05:27:46 vishnu vardhan wrote: > 3.    The RAM can be extended up to 8 GB in your laptop. Hence, you > need to contact to the service center regarding the same. You now know what memory you need. You can safely buy it! It looks very easy to install. You jus

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:57:46AM +0530, vishnu vardhan wrote: > > i have contacted toshiba & i am stumped by their reply : > > 3.The RAM can be extended up to 8 GB in your laptop. Hence, you > need to contact to the service center regarding the same. > > 4.The Ram details :- 204-Pin DD

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 01:25:59AM -0500, Doug wrote: > On 01/16/2013 12:27 AM, vishnu vardhan wrote: > >i have contacted toshiba & i am stumped by their reply : > > > >3.The RAM can be extended up to 8 GB in your laptop. Hence, you > >need to contact to the service center regarding the same. >

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-15 Thread Doug
On 01/16/2013 12:27 AM, vishnu vardhan wrote: The answer to this appears to be a large part of the problem. Vardhan, if you get the memory you are going to have to open the laptop up to install it. So, since you are going to have to do it anyway to install anything, why not pluck up courage and

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-15 Thread vishnu vardhan
> The answer to this appears to be a large part of the problem. > Vardhan, if you get the memory you are going to have to open the laptop up to > install it. So, since you are going to have to do it anyway to install > anything, why not pluck up courage and open it up now, and count how many > me

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-07 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 07 January 2013 06:46:31 Chris Bannister wrote: > I read the output [unfortunately it's been snipped] as 2GB was the maximum > capacity for that slot. Are there four slots? The answer to this appears to be a large part of the problem. Vardhan, if you get the memory you are going to ha

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-07 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Hi Vishnu, maybe you have to update the BIOS of the notebook? The output of dmidecode shows "SMBIOS 2.7". Looking at the website http://www.toshiba-india.com/laptop/satellite-c850-amd-viewmodel.html under Service & Support --> Download Drivers for BIOS of Sattelite C850 it says the newest is 23

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-06 Thread Doug
will take. (It will take 16GB.) I expect the Toshiba link is correct. But the Toshiba site that provided the information ought to say what specific kind of ram to buy and plug in, one would expect. --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subjec

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 10:16:05AM +0530, vishnu vardhan wrote: > > This indicates that the RAM capacity of your laptop is already utilized. > > What lets you think it can use 8 gb of RAM? > > hi Jörg-Volker, > the toshiba website link clearly states 8 gb ram : > http://www.toshiba-india.com/lapto

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-06 Thread vishnu vardhan
> This indicates that the RAM capacity of your laptop is already utilized. > What lets you think it can use 8 gb of RAM? hi Jörg-Volker, the toshiba website link clearly states 8 gb ram : http://www.toshiba-india.com/laptop/satellite-c850-amd-viewmodel.html. now i am confused a lot. from the word

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-06 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Hi. vishnu vardhan wrote, on 01/05/13 13:28: > facts: > i have recently purchased a laptop. it is shipped with 2gb ram. the > maximum ram is 8gb. > Handle 0x000D, DMI type 16, 23 bytes > Physical Memory Array > Location: System Board Or Motherboard > Use: System Memory > Error Corre

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-06 Thread vishnu vardhan
| Memory Device | Speed: 1600 MHz (0.6 ns) i have come across this page on toshiba website & it's quite strange : http://www.toshiba-india.com/laptop/satellite-c850-amd-viewmodel.html toshiba india website shows : Memory Slot : 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 MHz. so, is the dmidecode info is correct ?

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-06 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 05/01/13 22:26, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 05 January 2013 19:42:39 Doug wrote: >> Either Kingston or Crucial, I believe, can figure out what kind of ram >> you need >> by looking at your computer, but you probably have to access their website >> from a Windows OS. (I did this quite a whil

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-05 Thread vishnu vardhan
| Hi war_dhan | What brand and type is your laptop? Hi Ramon, my laptop model : toshiba satellite c850d-m5010. motherboard info [ from sysinfo ] : MOTHERBOARD Host bridge Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 12h/14h Processor Function 7 Subsystem: Advance

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 05 January 2013 19:42:39 Doug wrote: > Either Kingston or Crucial, I believe, can figure out what kind of ram > you need > by looking at your computer, but you probably have to access their website > from a Windows OS.  (I did this quite a while ago, from a Windows machine, > and I forg

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-05 Thread Doug
On 01/05/2013 09:01 AM, Ramon Hofer wrote: Hi war_dhan What brand and type is your laptop? On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:58:03 +0530, vishnu vardhan wrote: questions: without opening the laptop where can i find info about number of pins & voltage capacity of my memory module ? [ i am scared to open

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-05 Thread Go Linux
--- On Sat, 1/5/13, vishnu vardhan wrote: > From: vishnu vardhan > Subject: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module? > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Saturday, January 5, 2013, 6:28 AM > facts: > i have recently purchased a laptop. it is shipped with 2gb > ram. the

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 05 January 2013 12:28:03 vishnu vardhan wrote: > i want to buy only kingston [btw, you can also recommend or suggest to > a novice like me other than kingston]. I always use Crucial. If you can tell them the motherboard you have, they will tell you what RAM you need. (The too

Re: how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-05 Thread Ramon Hofer
Hi war_dhan What brand and type is your laptop? On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:58:03 +0530, vishnu vardhan wrote: > questions: > without opening the laptop where can i find info about number of pins & > voltage capacity of my memory module ? [ i am scared to open laptop ]. Usually there's a cover to a

how to buy an ideal laptop RAM module?

2013-01-05 Thread vishnu vardhan
provided any cd or manual. so far so good. i want to buy only kingston [btw, you can also recommend or suggest to a novice like me other than kingston]. reality: there are no mdoules available in indian online shopping websites. i have also contacted my laptop manufacturer through email & phone, and

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:45:33 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 07 aug 12, 09:47:11, Celejar wrote: > > > > They do - but the first quote in your message was Yaro's. I guess you > > decided to respond to a quote of mine as cited in his email, instead of > > responding directly to my email. In s

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 07 aug 12, 09:47:11, Celejar wrote: > > They do - but the first quote in your message was Yaro's. I guess you > decided to respond to a quote of mine as cited in his email, instead of > responding directly to my email. In such a case, I generally delete the > first name in the chain, but I

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:59:08 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 01 aug 12, 20:23:35, Celejar wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:45:27 +0300 > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > On Mi, 01 aug 12, 00:59:29, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > > > On 07/31/2012 01:42 PM, Celejar wrote: > > > > >On Fri, 20 Jul 20

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 01 aug 12, 20:23:35, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:45:27 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Mi, 01 aug 12, 00:59:29, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > > On 07/31/2012 01:42 PM, Celejar wrote: > > > >On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:30:50 +0300 > > > >Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Jo, 1

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-01 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:45:27 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 01 aug 12, 00:59:29, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > On 07/31/2012 01:42 PM, Celejar wrote: > > >On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:30:50 +0300 > > >Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > >>On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: > > >>>Quite true - and co

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-01 Thread Andrei POPESCU
> developing or contributing to is an actual right the GPL guarantees. > This might not be the best example of how "advantageous" open source > can be. And probably not one of those cases in the GPL that > guarantees "morality" as the FSF might see it. > > The

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-31 Thread Yaro Kasear
one of those cases in the GPL that guarantees "morality" as the FSF might see it. Theoretically, I can buy a 500 stack of DVDs, burn Debian to all of them, and sell them for $50 a pop because the GPL says I can. There is a difference, though, between having the right to do so and

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-31 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:16:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 20 iul 12, 04:29:05, Gary Dale wrote: > > On 20/07/12 03:30 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: > > >>Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that > > >>money can be ma

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-31 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 04:29:05 -0400 Gary Dale wrote: ... > As for Celejar's point about selling licenses - he's wants to make money > only from direct sales. That's his problem. In every business you have > to look for ways to make money. Direct sales is just one method and its > a method that

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-31 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:30:50 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: > > > > Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that > > money can be made with FLOSS, just that it's pointless to try to sell > > copies of one's software if it's freel

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-31 Thread Celejar
tempts to encumber knowledge > > > for profit are inherently wrong. > > > > I don't wholly agree here. I have a very strong preference for FLOSS, > > for many reasons, but I fully respect the rights of others to develop, > > sell, buy and use non-FLOSS. It is the

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-21 Thread Lisi
ct the rights of others to develop, > sell, buy and use non-FLOSS. It is the right of others, individuals and > corporations, to develop, market and sell proprietary software; it is > my right to avoid such stuff to whatevenr extent possible. +1 And note the "to whatever extent pos

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-20 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:26:37 +1200 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 03:20:03PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300 > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 20 iul 12, 04:29:05, Gary Dale wrote: > On 20/07/12 03:30 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: > >>Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that > >>money can be made with FLOSS, just that it's pointless to try to sell > >>copies of

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-20 Thread Gary Dale
suffering from lack of sales. It often amounts to a balance between convenience and cost. Most people would rather buy a disc or download from legal sources than hunt down ways to pirate them. Of course the entertainment disc license isn't a free license. However, I suspect that more peop

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: > > Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that > money can be made with FLOSS, just that it's pointless to try to sell > copies of one's software if it's freely copyable. The examples you give > are all of models other than the

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 03:20:03PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote: > > > > > > Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly > > > one of them--needs to realize what real special

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:04:10 -0400 Gary Dale wrote: > On 19/07/12 03:20 PM, Celejar wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300 > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > >> On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote: > >>> Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly > >>> one of them-

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Gary Dale
On 19/07/12 03:20 PM, Celejar wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote: Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly one of them--needs to realize what real specialized software is, and what it costs to develo

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:28:46 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 09:08 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Also, I don't have a problem with paying for specialized software > > [snip] as long as they run natively on my platform of choice. > > +1 and plus, nobody should have compunctio

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote: > > > > Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly > > one of them--needs to realize what real specialized software is, and > > what it costs to develop, and why it's not fr

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Celejar
inherently wrong. > > I don't wholly agree here. I have a very strong preference for FLOSS, > > for many reasons, but I fully respect the rights of others to develop, > > sell, buy and use non-FLOSS. It is the right of others, individuals and > > corporations, to develo

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread gaffa
trong preference for FLOSS, > for many reasons, but I fully respect the rights of others to develop, > sell, buy and use non-FLOSS. It is the right of others, individuals > and corporations, to develop, market and sell proprietary software; > it is my right to avoid such stuff to whatev

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 09:38 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > Do two wrongs make a right? No, I'm just kidding. > I've got computer files dating back to 1990 on my server. A lot of it is > in proprietary formats that there haven't been programs for in over a > decade. These are my files that I am effec

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Gary Dale
On 19/07/12 02:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 09:08 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Also, I don't have a problem with paying for specialized software [snip] as long as they run natively on my platform of choice. +1 and plus, nobody should have compunction when illegal using some

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 09:08 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Also, I don't have a problem with paying for specialized software > [snip] as long as they run natively on my platform of choice. +1 and plus, nobody should have compunction when illegal using some software. I've got the privilege not to n

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote: > > Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly > one of them--needs to realize what real specialized software is, and > what it costs to develop, and why it's not free. Please don't confuse free (beer) with free(dom). Also, I don't h

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-18 Thread Doug
purchasing decisions. I agree. Debian users need to understand that attempts to encumber knowledge for profit are inherently wrong. I don't wholly agree here. I have a very strong preference for FLOSS, for many reasons, but I fully respect the rights of others to develop, sell, buy and use non-

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-18 Thread Celejar
I agree. > Debian users need to understand that attempts to encumber knowledge for > profit are inherently wrong. I don't wholly agree here. I have a very strong preference for FLOSS, for many reasons, but I fully respect the rights of others to develop, sell, buy and use non-FLOSS. It is

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/07/12 05:32 PM, Rick Thomas wrote: Hi folks, While fascinating, this discussion has wandered seriously Off Topic. It's no longer appropriate for "debian-user", I think. I'm not a list-guru. Is there a debian list where it would be on-topic? If so, maybe we should take it there. Enjoy

[OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-18 Thread Rick Thomas
Hi folks, While fascinating, this discussion has wandered seriously Off Topic. It's no longer appropriate for "debian-user", I think. I'm not a list-guru. Is there a debian list where it would be on-topic? If so, maybe we should take it there. Enjoy! Rick On Jul 18, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Gary

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/07/12 08:35 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:21:03AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: The original justification for patents was that the government would protect your invention for a short period if you told the world about how it works. I thought that too, but ... :( https:/

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:21:03AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > The original justification for patents was that the government > would protect your invention for a short period if you told the > world about how it works. I thought that too, but ... :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Monopoli

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-17 Thread Gary Dale
On 17/07/12 11:07 PM, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:45:56 -0500 "Christofer C. Bell" wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Gary Dale wrote: A company is not a person and cannot have rights. All it should have is the obligation to obey laws and regulations affecting its operations -

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-17 Thread Gary Dale
On 17/07/12 10:45 PM, Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Gary Dale wrote: A company is not a person and cannot have rights. All it should have is the obligation to obey laws and regulations affecting its operations - just as an automobile, another construct, must conform

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-17 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:45:56 -0500 "Christofer C. Bell" wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Gary Dale wrote: > > > > A company is not a person and cannot have rights. All it should have is the > > obligation to obey laws and regulations affecting its operations - just as > > an automobile,

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-17 Thread Doug
On 07/17/2012 10:45 PM, Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Gary Dale wrote: A company is not a person and cannot have rights. All it should have is the obligation to obey laws and regulations affecting its operations - just as an automobile, another construct, must confo

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-17 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Gary Dale wrote: > > A company is not a person and cannot have rights. All it should have is the > obligation to obey laws and regulations affecting its operations - just as > an automobile, another construct, must conform to all regulatory standards. > The notion

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-17 Thread Gary Dale
On 17/07/12 05:36 AM, Slavko wrote: Hi, Dňa Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:29:47 -0400 Gary Dale napísal: The basic premise is that freedom cannot infringe on the rights of others. The "freedom" software companies take to not open their drivers infringes on our rights to control the hardware w

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-17 Thread Gary Dale
On 17/07/12 08:16 AM, Sthu Deus wrote: Good time of the day, Gary. Thank You for Your time and answer. You worte: Unfortunately both vendors want to keep some of their "trade secrets" secret, so the open source drivers will never be the same as That's why we have scarcely

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-17 Thread Sthu Deus
Good time of the day, Slavko. You worte: > "Our rights to control the hardware we buy must do not infringe the > company's rights to secret their business secrets." I think You are mixing up two things here: hardware secrets (that You pay for) and the business' one

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-17 Thread Sthu Deus
Good time of the day, Gary. Thank You for Your time and answer. You worte: > Unfortunately both vendors want to keep some of their "trade > secrets" secret, so the open source drivers will never be the same as That's why we have scarcely buy new ones at least. >

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-17 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:29:47 -0400 Gary Dale napísal: > The basic premise is that freedom cannot infringe on the rights of > others. The "freedom" software companies take to not open their drivers > infringes on our rights to control the hardware we buy. My premis

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-16 Thread Gary Dale
On 16/07/12 11:10 AM, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:50:38 -0400 Gary Dale napísal: AMD/ATI also make closed source drivers. Which manufacturer has the faster cards is largely dependent on when you buy. They usually trade places with each new generation of product. I know. Both

Re: what graphic card to buy?

2012-07-16 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:50:38 -0400 Gary Dale napísal: > AMD/ATI also make closed source drivers. Which manufacturer has the > faster cards is largely dependent on when you buy. They usually trade > places with each new generation of product. I know. Both proprietary drivers

  1   2   3   4   >