Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

2000-05-31 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Carel" == Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Carel> And to really speed up things, you could even use the -vanilla flag Carel> next to -nw to tell xemacs to forget about all those nifty packages Carel> that take all this time to load. Better to let it load it all up..

Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

2000-05-31 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "jsja" == john s jacobs anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jsja> Oh, no, I agree -- that's why I tend toward vi in those jsja> situations. However, over the weekend I've been playing with jsja> gnuserv/gnuclient in

Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

2000-05-30 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 11:20:04PM -0400, Chris Gray wrote: > > pidof xemacs && gnuclient -q $1 || xemacs -nw $1 This will only work if you are the one and only user ever to use xemacs. So you better use (analog to what was shown on the list a couple of days ago): $ fuser -sn tcp $((UID+21490

Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

2000-05-29 Thread john s jacobs anderson
> "Chris" == Chris Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> People always get lots of responses from queries like this, Chris> but this seems like the obvious way to do it: Chris> pidof xemacs && gnuclient -q $1 || xemacs -nw $1 Yep, that works. In the hopes of saving a newbie or two so

Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

2000-05-29 Thread Chris Gray
On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:58:08PM -0400, john s jacobs anderson wrote: > Okay, that could work -- but I'm too forgetful to remember if there's > already an XEmacs process running -- anybody have a shell script that > will execute the following pseudocode? > > if there's an XEmacs process

Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

2000-05-29 Thread john s jacobs anderson
> "Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Peter> Here's why I use gnuserv all the time. Say I in a shell in a Peter> directory called Peter> /deb/potato/home/rhogee/deb/gri/CVS/gri/doc/cookbook and I Peter> want to edit a file in Emacs. I could go in Emacs and type

Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

2000-05-26 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Here's why I use gnuserv all the time. Say I in a shell in a directory called /deb/potato/home/rhogee/deb/gri/CVS/gri/doc/cookbook and I want to edit a file in Emacs. I could go in Emacs and type C-x C-f and then type in (or cut/paste) the whole path. That's arduous. Instead, if I want to edi

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

2000-05-26 Thread john s jacobs anderson
> "Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Peter> Felix Natter wrote: >> john s jacobs anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Oh, I'm with you -- I'll often use vi for small edits, even if >> > I have XEmacs open on another desktop, just because doing the >> >

xg - Use `gnuclient' for quick edits. (Was: Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

2000-05-25 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Peter> Felix Natter wrote: >> john s jacobs anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Oh, I'm with you -- I'll often use vi for small edits, even if I have >> > XEmacs open on another desktop, just because doin

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

2000-05-25 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Felix Natter wrote: > john s jacobs anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Oh, I'm with you -- I'll often use vi for small edits, even if I have > > XEmacs open on another desktop, just because doing the edit 'in-line' > > in an xterm fits my work-flow better. Again, it's all about choosing

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

2000-05-25 Thread Felix Natter
john s jacobs anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Oh, I'm with you -- I'll often use vi for small edits, even if I have > XEmacs open on another desktop, just because doing the edit 'in-line' > in an xterm fits my work-flow better. Again, it's all about choosing > the right tool for the job. y

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

2000-05-14 Thread Christian Lynbech on satellite
> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Markevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jonathan> I think the best comment over the emacs thing was; someone Jonathan> said "it's not an editor, it's a virtual machine" Now that Jonathan> makes great sense! Now someone needs to come up with Jonathan> something as clever

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

2000-05-12 Thread Richard Taylor
Jonathan Markevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > I think the best comment over the emacs thing was; someone said "it's not an > editor, it's a virtual machine" Now that makes great sense! Now someone > needs to come up with something as clever to explain vi... :) It's just an editor?

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

2000-05-12 Thread Jonathan Markevich
On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 08:44:35AM +0700, Oki DZ wrote: > > I'm not against thinking, don't get me wrong. I actually *program* for > > fun. > > I just like to focus my mental energies. i.e. why mount; cp; umount when I > > can mcopy? Why type: > > > > mv ~/Mail/Debian ~/Mail/Debian-`date +%Y%

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

2000-05-10 Thread john s jacobs anderson
> "Oki" == Oki DZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Oki> On 5 May 2000, john s jacobs anderson wrote: >> The point is, emacsen are designed to be *modular*. If you don't >> want to load those things, then don't load them Oki> I'd like to have rmail "module" to be able to use an smtp and

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

2000-05-10 Thread Oki DZ
On Thu, 4 May 2000, Jonathan Markevich wrote: > An OS to make you think? Who says that's its job? Well, maybe it's not its job, but I think Linux makes you think or makes you (force you) to do things in thinking-mode. Some people like to do that and some don't. Of course, new distros come wi

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

2000-05-10 Thread Oki DZ
On 5 May 2000, john s jacobs anderson wrote: > Agreed. How ever, as with several of the other posters, you've > apparently felt the need not just to opine that (X)Emacs isn't > newbie-friendly[1], but to make several other statements that indicate > that you haven't actually used any emacsen for

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

2000-05-05 Thread john s jacobs anderson
> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Markevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jonathan> Let me begin by saying I don't plan to prolong this thread Jonathan> after saying my piece. Insert smilie here. me too Jonathan> Personally, I agree. The issue brought up was not one of Jonathan> "is Emacs p

Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

2000-05-05 Thread Jonathan Markevich
On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:13:19PM +0100, Phillip Deackes wrote: Let me begin by saying I don't plan to prolong this thread after saying my piece. Insert smilie here. I don't like the reaction from most sides about this. It bodes ill for Linux -- for free software users in general. Let's start