Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024, 12:24 PM wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:37:33PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:29 PM wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 10:59:40AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 06:45:05AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread tomas
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:37:33PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:29 PM wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 10:59:40AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 06:45:05AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > Do you have a reference? > > > > > > > >

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:29 PM wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 10:59:40AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 06:45:05AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > Do you have a reference? > > > > > > I ask because I'm in the middle of a discussion (and that was my advice, > > >

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread James H. H. Lampert
I make regular use of an OS that is completely passwordless. It's called PC-DOS 2000. (I might also add that I wish that my Meerkat desktop Linux box didn't make it so easy to sign off by mistake when I'd intended to power down.) -- James H. H. Lampert

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread tomas
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 10:59:40AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 06:45:05AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Do you have a reference? > > > > I ask because I'm in the middle of a discussion (and that was my advice, > > too). Seeing what Schneier has to say on that would b

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 11:00 AM Michael Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 06:45:05AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >Do you have a reference? > > > >I ask because I'm in the middle of a discussion (and that was my advice, > >too). Seeing what Schneier has to say on that would be very int

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Mike Castle
On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 11:27 PM Loris Bennett wrote: >keeping them in your wallet can be > safer than sticking them with a post-it to you monitor. Just brought back memories. When I was in college in the 1980s/1990s, in my OS class, the instructor told of a time when he was walking down a hallw

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 06:45:05AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Do you have a reference? I ask because I'm in the middle of a discussion (and that was my advice, too). Seeing what Schneier has to say on that would be very interesting. All of this advice is overly simplistic. The right answer

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Lee
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:45 AM tomas wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 10:22:43PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > songbird writes: > > > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier > > > to just continue using the credentials as they exist instead of having > > > to set ev

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:45 AM wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 10:22:43PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > songbird writes: > > > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier > > > to just continue using the credentials as they exist instead of having > > > to set everyth

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-17 Thread debian-user
songbird wrote: > debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > ... > > Why does your mother need to memorize all of your dead stepfather's > > identities? Just let them die with him. > > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it > is much easier to just continue using the credentials as >

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-16 Thread tomas
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 08:07:52AM +0100, Loris Bennett wrote: > writes: > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 10:22:43PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > >> songbird writes: > >> > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier > >> > to just continue using the credentials as they exist

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-16 Thread Loris Bennett
writes: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 10:22:43PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: >> songbird writes: >> > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier >> > to just continue using the credentials as they exist instead of having >> > to set everything up all over again for no real gai

Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-16 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 10:22:43PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > songbird writes: > > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier > > to just continue using the credentials as they exist instead of having > > to set everything up all over again for no real gain. > > Then fol

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-16 Thread John Hasler
songbird writes: > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier > to just continue using the credentials as they exist instead of having > to set everything up all over again for no real gain. Then follow Bruce Schneier's advice and*write them down*. -- John Hasler j...@s

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-16 Thread songbird
debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: ... > Why does your mother need to memorize all of your dead stepfather's > identities? Just let them die with him. perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier to just continue using the credentials as they exist instead of having to set

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-16 Thread 🦓
apt install myownbank Op ma 16 dec 2024 om 08:57 schreef Andy Smith : > Hi, > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 02:48:44AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 2:42 AM 🦓 wrote: > > > YubiKeys is a password manager in a dongle, thus the exact opposite of > passwordless. Your dogs and

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-16 Thread 🦓
Op ma 16 dec 2024 om 08:42 schreef 🦓 : > YubiKeys is a password manager in a dongle, thus the exact opposite of > passwordless. > i ought to reword password to sustain my credibility, any publickeysignatures (PKS) are of course more unreplayable than presharedkeys (PSK) but call them token length

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-16 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 2:59 AM 🦓 wrote: > > You donot understand your own mistrust. You are trying to make it > unnecessarily difficult to use your tool. How would you like a spoon that > phishing-resistently refuses to spoonfeed you unless you have sufficiently > identified yourself as an a

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-16 Thread 🦓
You donot understand your own mistrust. You are trying to make it unnecessarily difficult to use your tool. How would you like a spoon that phishing-resistently refuses to spoonfeed you unless you have sufficiently identified yourself as an authority-authorized credit card owner? Op ma 16 dec 20

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 02:48:44AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 2:42 AM 🦓 wrote: > > YubiKeys is a password manager in a dongle, thus the exact opposite of > > passwordless. Your dogs and your goats are passwordless, they reliably > > serve you but have a built in

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-15 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 2:42 AM 🦓 wrote: > > YubiKeys is a password manager in a dongle, thus the exact opposite of > passwordless. Your dogs and your goats are passwordless, they reliably serve > you but have a built in immune system with redundancies protecting them from > abuses of their pa

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-15 Thread 🦓
YubiKeys is a password manager in a dongle, thus the exact opposite of passwordless. Your dogs and your goats are passwordless, they reliably serve you but have a built in immune system with redundancies protecting them from abuses of their passwordlessness. Op zo 15 dec 2024 om 15:35 schreef Jef

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-15 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 6:47 AM 🦓 wrote: > > my mother is currently struggling to memorize all of my dead stepfather's > identities and passwords and that makes me wonder how would you like an > internet of hosts who store everything undeletably and barrierlessly readably > with no secrets what

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-15 Thread 🦓
wouldnot be that like banks appropriating tons of gold deposited by perished intelligentsia? you die once when you die and twice when the last being remembering you dies and i prefer computers to serve me rather than wreck my brain schrieb am So., 15. Dez. 2024, 14:49: > 🦓 wrote: > > my mothe

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-15 Thread debian-user
🦓 wrote: > my mother is currently struggling to memorize all of my dead > stepfather's identities and passwords and that makes me wonder how > would you like an internet of hosts who store everything undeletably > and barrierlessly readably with no secrets whatsoever to humanity nor > any other na

a passwordless operating system

2024-12-14 Thread 🦓
my mother is currently struggling to memorize all of my dead stepfather's identities and passwords and that makes me wonder how would you like an internet of hosts who store everything undeletably and barrierlessly readably with no secrets whatsoever to humanity nor any other natural or artificial